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Vlad gets his 10th 100-RBI season...HOF-bound?

ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm curious as to what other forum folks think of Vlad Guerrero's chances for the Baseball HOF. Y'day he reached the 100-RBI season mark for the 10th time in his careeer.

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  • MantleMarisFordBerraMantleMarisFordBerra Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭
    HELL YES!! I think he gets a bit over looked because he played outside the media spotlight by being in Montreal and then on the West Coast. To me he is a lock.
  • CollectorAtWorkCollectorAtWork Posts: 859 ✭✭✭
    I think he's pretty close, but it'd be nice if he could duplicate this year's stats for 2-3 more years. Then he'd be close to 500HR's and 3000 hits, which would definitely lock it up for him (assuming no PEDs taint).
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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    is this serious?
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    he'd get in if he retired today...

    1260 runs, 2400 hits, 4230 total bases, 442 doubles, 433 home runs, 1418 rbi's, 716 walks, 179 stolen bases, .320 average, .563 slugging, .946 OPS

    baseball-reference.com has him #50 (all time including pitchers) in Hall of Fame Career Standards and #46 (all time including pitchers) in the Hall of Fame Monitor (he scores a 194, where a "likely HOFer" scores a 100).
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes.
  • alnavmanalnavman Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭
    HOF
  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Slam dunk first ballot HOF.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, I'd say so.

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  • CollectorAtWorkCollectorAtWork Posts: 859 ✭✭✭


    << <i>he'd get in if he retired today...

    1260 runs, 2400 hits, 4230 total bases, 442 doubles, 433 home runs, 1418 rbi's, 716 walks, 179 stolen bases, .320 average, .563 slugging, .946 OPS

    baseball-reference.com has him #50 (all time including pitchers) in Hall of Fame Career Standards and #46 (all time including pitchers) in the Hall of Fame Monitor (he scores a 194, where a "likely HOFer" scores a 100). >>



    For argument's sake (if Vlad's career ended today), a couple of comparables who are definitely not locks:

    Juan Gonzalez:

    1061 runs, 1936 hits, 3676 total bases, 388 doubles, 434 home runs, 1404 rbi's, .295 average, .561 slugging, .904 OPS, 2 MVPs

    Fred McGriff:

    1349 runs, 2490 hits, 4458 total bases, 441 doubles, 493 home runs, 1550 rbi's, 1305 walks, 72 stolen bases, .284 batting average, .509 slugging, .885 OPS

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  • lbcoach20lbcoach20 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭
    I say HOF.
  • DialjDialj Posts: 1,636 ✭✭
    There are guys there now that don't have Vlad's numbers. He should make it.
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  • MantleMarisFordBerraMantleMarisFordBerra Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭
    I've been thinking about the two guys CollectorAtWork brings up in comparison to Vlad: F. McGriff & J. Gonzalez.

    The Crime Dog is a classic case of nice career stats but not any "peaks", no real stand out dominant seasons. Also, let's be honest, the markets he played in (Toronto, San Diego, Tampa Bay) don't get the same spotlight as other markets. Rightly or wrongly this does affect a player who is on the fence chances of getting in. Also, let's not discount the then still "magic number" of 500 Home Runs. He fell short. I know it's silly to penalize a player's entire career based on just 7 HR's, but I think to a lot of voters he's another Darrell Evans or Dave Kingman.

    As far as Juan Gonzalez, obviously the steroid factor severely hampers his chances at ever making The Hall. He was named in the Mitchell Report & Jose Canseco talked about him in his book. Also, his production fell off quite a bit at the end of his career and therefore he didn't aquire any big career marks - no 500 HRs, no .300 lifetime avg, not only didn't he reach 3,000 hits he didn't even reach 2,000! He did have 2 MVP's and for a while he was just a beast - I don't think I'll ever forget his amazing performance in the '96 ALCS.

    Also, keep in mind Vlad has more All Star appearances than both McGriff & Gonzalez put together, AND he hasn't played as long as those 2 did. I think it's unfair to compare career stats at this point because Vlad has only 13 MLB season vs. 17 for The Crime Dog & 15 for Juan Gone. In other words, while his career at this point is already greater than those two, when it's all said & done you will no longer be able to compare Fred McGriff & Juan Gonzalez to Vlad Guerrero.
  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Not to mention Vlad's .320 lifetime BA. A power hitter with a singles hitter's batting average is a rare commodity.
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    Seems like he will get in eventually but not first ballot at this point. Certainly not a slam dunk in my opinion.
  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Well, then I'd be curious to know which players, who are currently active, would be first ballot HOF'ers, in your opinion.
  • CollectorAtWorkCollectorAtWork Posts: 859 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, then I'd be curious to know which players, who are currently active, would be first ballot HOF'ers, in your opinion. >>



    Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. If they retired today, they'd be in as first ballot.
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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭✭
    That .320 average is what separates him from the others. I mean that's a very high average. If he stays clean he is a lock. Seems to be a real popular guy also.
  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    HOF
    And the best bad-ball hitter ever. I once saw him hit a HR on a pitch that was at his ankles.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>HOF
    And the best bad-ball hitter ever. I once saw him hit a HR on a pitch that was at his ankles. >>



    Don't forget about the cannon, I've seen him throw guys out at home, second, third, and first from deep right field. Throwing a guy out at first after getting a deep right field grounder is almost as impressive as gunning a guy at home in my opinion.

    June 2008 Yankee Stadium, look closely but not too many players can do this image ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujOu1tEr-7U
  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ...and now Pujols also gets his 10th 100-RBI season, as of last night. I just looked at his career stats and they are mind-boggling for someone who's just 30 years old.
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