hey shtterbug8 / hartmen
sinin1
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welcome to the boards, and hopefully you can learn lots
I noticed that the fake you purchased here
to replace the coin in your collection
somehow got mixed up with your real one and got listed for sale here
probably a simple clerical error in your collection and recent acquisitions to replace your valuable coins
but if your intent was actually to purchase fake coins, and sell them as real,
in most places that is considered FRAUD - although I am not a lawyer and may be just as fine as
marrying your cousin where you are located
I noticed that the fake you purchased here
to replace the coin in your collection
somehow got mixed up with your real one and got listed for sale here
probably a simple clerical error in your collection and recent acquisitions to replace your valuable coins
but if your intent was actually to purchase fake coins, and sell them as real,
in most places that is considered FRAUD - although I am not a lawyer and may be just as fine as
marrying your cousin where you are located
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peacockcoins
The word copy somehow might have been removed because, according to the first seller, the word fake is written in "a nice removeable mark."
It's obvious that accidents do happen.
Oh well, anyway.... welcome again to the forum. I'm sure you will provide a lot of amusement for the members here.
Jerk.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
It's getting more than just sickening what with all the fakes on eBay that if I allowed myself to do so, would totally bum me out of collecting.
peacockcoins
<< <i>welcome to the boards, and hopefully you can learn lots
I noticed that the fake you purchased here
to replace the coin in your collection
somehow got mixed up with your real one and got listed for sale here
probably a simple clerical error in your collection and recent acquisitions to replace your valuable coins
but if your intent was actually to purchase fake coins, and sell them as real,
in most places that is considered FRAUD - although I am not a lawyer and may be just as fine as
marrying your cousin where you are located >>
Thinking about bidding then reporting it as fraud to the proper authorities.
Just a thought.
Is his 1810 Bust half real?
"been alot of people bidding and deciding they do not want the coin. if you bid and back out i will block you from other auctions i list!"
Gee, if he did that to me I'd be crushed.
Is Mark your coinguy1 alt or is it the other way around?
peacockcoins
<< <i>Reported.
Is his 1810 Bust half real? >>
You night want to read this thread Link
<< <i>This idiot needs to knock this crap off, and realize that dozens of forumites are watching his every move on the 'Bay and reporting them all. I'm done trying to be nice - he whined to eBay about auction intereference once... I'm just reporting them now without comment - no more leeway.
Jerk. >>
Think this guy with the wonderful manicure realizes all his items are under a microscope and all will be reported, due to the coincidental fact he buys Chinese replicas, then just by chance the same coins pop up as authentic? Good thing it doesn't cost to list, only when you sell, because I foresee all those Chinese fakes he claims are authentic will be reported and eventually be taken down?
I wonder if he'd be so gracious as to show us all his authentic coins BEFORE he gets the Chinese fake replacements....most of which we ALL know get delivered without 'copy' or 'replica'. I contacted one of those Chinese dealers....the coins he sold (I think he got the boot) were not silver, but, and I have his messages....for $20, he'll make me a '16-D Merc out of 90% coin silver (so he says), without 'replica' or 'copy' stamped into the coin. How many of these sellers' feedbacks are stating the coins are being delivered without those words stamped on the coin?
When all is said and done, all he'll have is a collection of worthless Chinese fakes. Why on earth would someone want a fake collection???
I forgot, though, that he has dealers testing and buying his real coins (I wonder if his B&M is being duped by these fakes??).
<< <i>If ebay wont do anything will the police take note! >>
Canada did something about it.....why can't our gov't??? And our money is worth more, either hot off the press, or 200 years old (ok, not all, but most).
forum member: hartmen
his ebay seller name is: shtterbug8
- First he intentional sells fakes on eBay.
- Second, he tries to play the US Coin Forum members by deliberating lying to the Forum and acting like an innocent victim in this thread.
A concerted effort by as many forum members as possible to continually and constantly report his fake auctions would be satisfying and beneficial.
To directly alert eBay Customer Support to his fake coin auctions go here:
Report here
<< <i>I did not realize you could leave feedback less than 1 hr after close >>
Sounds like he made up his mind before the auction ended.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Reported.
Is his 1810 Bust half real? >>
You night want to read this thread Link >>
Where I first reported this scam.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
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<< <i>Reported.
Is his 1810 Bust half real? >>
You night want to read this thread Link >>
THANKS! Reported that one too.
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<< <i>Reported.
Is his 1810 Bust half real? >>
You night want to read this thread Link >>
Where I first reported this scam. >>
That's right. Thanks for the heads up derryb.
Now who was it that scolded me for making fun of this scammers manicure?
Looks like all his ebay auctions are down, for a while. Maybe just until he gets another sign on name.
"Hi, this is Jay, President and Owner of BNB Coins
and I would like to first start off by saying that
you are being investigated by my firm and the
Collector base at large for selling fraudulent
classic coins on your eBay site.
You will most certainly be facing jail time at
some point once the Police are notified of your
actions.
At this point now, I would de-list all your
fraudulent coins and chalk this one up as a loss.
Thank you.
Jay
BNBCoins.com
"Quality First" "
<< <i>A good thing done by BNB for once(The reason shutterbug8's listings are all down) Received: Aug-29-10 9:35 a.m PST:
"Hi, this is Jay, President and Owner of BNB Coins
and I would like to first start off by saying that
you are being investigated by my firm and the
Collector base at large for selling fraudulent
classic coins on your eBay site.
You will most certainly be facing jail time at
some point once the Police are notified of your
actions.
At this point now, I would de-list all your
fraudulent coins and chalk this one up as a loss.
Thank you.
Jay of BNBCoins.com " >>
Sorry, but I must take issue with your assertion that the seller's listings are down due to that message. Numerous people had contracted the seller and/or Eay previously, and very recently, the seller had received negative feedback.
<< <i>A good thing done by BNB for once(The reason shutterbug8's listings are all down) Received: Aug-29-10 9:35 a.m PST:
you are being investigated by my firm
EAC 6024
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<< <i>A good thing done by BNB for once(The reason shutterbug8's listings are all down) Received: Aug-29-10 9:35 a.m PST:
you are being investigated by my firm
I pictured a scene from Hot Tub Time Machine or Grandma's Boy when I read that
The BNB quote did make my smile on an otherwise crappy day for me.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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<< <i>A good thing done by BNB for once(The reason shutterbug8's listings are all down) Received: Aug-29-10 9:35 a.m PST:
you are being investigated by my firm
At least he tried.
I got this msg about 30 minutes ago from him since I periodically msg him about his listings.
" This member, shtterbug8, has decided to make his/her Feedback comments private. Feedback can still be left for this user and the Feedback ratings left are shown above in summary format. Learn more about private Feedback."
Edited for spelling
the replicas ive bought is to replace REPLACE the ones im selling. i had no idea some of the ones in my collection were fake. one of the dealers in my area notified me that he has been seeing alot of high quality fakes go around and warned me to watch out. so im thinking i may have picked a few up that way unknowningly. he told me the only way he was able to tell they was fake were to weigh 10 of the fakes and 10 of the real coins and you can tell a major difference. just weighing one you can not. he showed me some other tell tell signs that you guys mentioned in the other forums but i was not able to get the clear picture. ive learned alot these past couple weeks and i do believe it could have gone by better if some of the members of this forum was a little more trustful of new members and give people a little time to respond to emails and messages that are left. i had over 50 emails today since friday. i was out of town this weekend. i was suprized of the volumn of emails. many were extremely rude with treats in them.
i want to give thanks to the president of the forum for being so polite to me. thanks
Thats what happens when you set out to deceive or commit fraud. You go into hiding. In his case, he hid his feedback.....hopefully, he'll hide his well-manicured nails also.
Pack your diddy bag, the authorities will be there soon.
<< <i>i made it private until i can get ebay to remove the negative feedback. >>
Don't hold your breath until that happens. LOFL.
sorry for the misunderstanding
The attempt at selling counterfeit coins on eBay and the case against you begins and ends with the fakes you are selling as having the exact diagnostics with one and another. In other words, you didn't sell one counterfeit and purchase another (or, the other way around), no, instead the exact fake purchased was- a few days or weeks later, the exact fake you sold as genuine.
Vanity will keep you scrambling to BS your way out of the fraud you have perpetrated, but truth will condemn you every single time.
You are on opportunist at best, a criminal at worse.
peacockcoins
<< <i>i made it private until i can get ebay to remove the negative feedback. >>
You made it private because the feedback was true. You bought fakes, then sold said fakes as authentic coins. My guess is you'll have lots of 'splainin' to do. You might want to clean those nails before you get in front of a judge.
There is NO WAY you can convince ANYONE here you weren't knowingly selling fakes you thought were authentic, especially when you have PURCHASED fakes, then turned around and sold those same fakes. Collectors don't sell authentic coins and replace them with fakes. What's the point of building a collection of fakes?????? You, sir, are exactly whats wrong with this hobby...you are the kind of person that drives people away from it.
Who are these 'dealers' you speak of? You want us to go easy on you when you sell an obvious fake...especially the one where your Chinese seller can't spell 'UNITED' properly????
Lastly, you say that you may have 'unknowingly picked up some fakes', yet your description says, and I quote. "up for sale today is part of my collection ive gathered up over the years." I guess you didn't learn much "over the years".
Too many holes in your stories, and now one big one in your feedback.
<< <i>jay from bnb coins told me . trying to make this clear. your forums are way different from the forums im used to using >>
since he doesn't have access to the forums anymore, straight from the man who's following this thread:
"To all the forum members at Collectors Universe:
The moment I read about that poor collector getting scammed by this dirt bag was when I felt the need to jump in and write him a few messages via eBay's messaging system.
That's when I made an agreement with him to take down those listings or I'd pursue legal action against him.
He complied and I simply asked him to give credit where credit was due and make mention that I was the driving force behind him taking the listings down.
As I read more and more what he writes here, I just believe he's an incompetent idiot trying to now use my name as some kinda "Safety" to protect him from what may land him in jail for some time.
You have no right to throw my name around. I just asked you per the msgs I sent you to tell them that I was the reason you took the listings down. No need to act like an incompetant jerk over it.
-Jay
BNBCoins.com
"Quality First""
<< <i>ive tried Bnb. they still wont believe anything ive said. cant say i didnt try. >>
BNB hasn't posted to this thread once...he can't...he's a banned member, so why are you trying to appeal to BNB???? He was correct in what he wrote to you in a message on ebay, but has nothing to do with this forum.
This 'disclaimer' doesn't help you much:
"for some reason if you recieve a coin and its not what your expected im sorry about your luck. for coins i do not accept returns or give refunds. why you ask? because ive recieved returns before which was not the coins ive sent out. the person who bought the coin did a switcho woo with me and sent me a fake or completely different coin back. so as a basic rule i no longer accept returns or give refunds. ive just had way to much bad luck with refunds. all sales are final."
hartmen, get out of the fake coin business, close your ebay account, and walk away before you ARE paid a visit by the local PD, as it's a FEDERAL crime to sell counterfeit coins. I know what you have done, as I contacted a Chinese ebay seller, going by the name of JINGHUASHEI (who is NARU'ed now due to his consistently sending coins without 'copy' or 'replica') asking what metal the coin was made of. After explaining the coins were NOT silver, he offered to sell me a 1916-D Merc, made of 90% silver, without the 'replica' stamp...and here is his message to me...this is a quote:
Hello:
Thanks for your letter.
The coins is produced by copper and plated silver on the surface. I can use 90% silver to produce them. Each price is $20. If you need some please contact me.I can provide all the coins on my EBAY to you without REPLICA or COPY marks on both faces. The REPLICA or COPY marks are only used for the policy of EBAY. Hope you could understand. After you buy and pay the coins, I will ship the coin to you without REPLICA or COPY marks on both faces. Please contact me if you still have any problems. Thanks!
GOOD LUCK!
LIU
Check his feedback
here. Was this one of your suppliers, hartmen...with you using a different ebay buyer ID?
<< <i>omg. i just give up on this forum all together. im talking to the saftey and trust team right now and hopefully i get this straightened out! >>
Yes, please talk to trust and safety at Ebay - the more you say, the more you lie and the more trouble you will have. It has been shown here that you bought counterfeits and sold the identical coins on Ebay. I am glad you are talking to them, because that way, you will be kicked off of Ebay faster.