1B - Lou Gehrig 2B - Joe Morgan 3B - Mike Schmidt SS - Honus Wagner LF - Ted Williams CF - Mickey Mantle RF - Babe Ruth C - Johnny Bench P - Walter Johnson Rlf P - Sandy Koufax DH - Hank Aaron (I hate the DH, but I had to find a spot for Hank) Pinch Runner - Rickey Henderson
Steve -- hard to argue against your lineup, so I'll modify the question to only include players that I have seen, aka modern players.
1B - Eddie Murray 2B - Joe Morgan 3B - Tie: Mike Schmidt, George Brett SS - Robin Yount LF - Barry Bonds CF - Willie Mays RF - Tie: Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente C - Johnny Bench DH - Frank Thomas RHP - Tom Seaver LHP - Tie: Steve Carlton, Randy Johnson Closer - Mariano Rivera Pinch Runner - Sid Bream
My list is composed of only players I've seen play........
1B Albert Pujols 2B Roberto Alomar 3B George Brett SS Derek Jeter OF Ichiro CF Ken Griffey Jr. OF Rickey Henderson C Ivan Rodriguez P Randy Johnson P Nolan Ryan P Greg Maddux C Mariano Rivera DH Frank Thomas
Yes, it was tough not including Ripken and even Bonds and Clemens.....
1B Lou Gehrig 2B Eddie Collins SS Honus Wagner 3B Mike Schmidt C Johnny Bench LHP Warren Spahn RHP Walter Johnson OF Babe Ruth OF Ty Cobb OF Willie Mays
1B - Willie McCovey 2B - Joe Morgan 3B - Mike Schmidt SS - Ozzie Smith LF - Hank Aaron CF - Rickey Henderson RF - Dave Winfield C - Johnny Bench RHP - Nolan Ryan LHP - Steve Carlton Reliever - Goose Gossage
Rickey Henderson should be on everyone's list, for his On-Base% and steals if nothing else.
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Brooks Robinson over Schmidt is a bad joke; and Clemente and Aaron tied? No way. Clemente was a great player (although he rarely walked), but he was no Aaron.
1B Lou Gehrig 2B Joe Morgan 3B Mike Schmidt SS Derek Jeter OF Ty Cobb OF Babe Ruth OF Ted Williams C Johnny Bench DH Lou Brock SP Bob Gibson RP Mariano Rivera
This is just for one game, and although I don't think Jeter is better than Honus, for one game I think he'd man up for it. Bob Gibson was the greatest big game pitcher of all time. Although Brock is not nearly as good in terms of career value as Aaron and others, I could use Brock's speed, and in big games/series, nobody was better than Lou, arguably the greatest postseason hitter of all-time.
I'm just curious but why all the love of Joe Morgan over Rogers Hornsby at second? From what I can tell Hornsby was better in almost every offensive catagory although not as good as Morgan defensively (but couldn't this be due to inferior equipment?). I'm young enough that I didn't get to see either play so I obviously have to rely on statistics which don't tell the whole story. Please educate me.
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1b Marv Throneberry 2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here SS Ray Oyler 3B Joe Foy C Choo Choo Coleman OF Dave Kingman OF Pepe Frias OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179) P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
There is a kid pitching in the little league world series named Brooks Robinson (ohio) 1st-Pete Rose 2nd -Joe Morgan ss-Derek jeter 3rd-Brooks Robinson P-Nolan Ryan C-Johnny Bench OF-Aaron OF-Frank robinson OF-Clemete
<< <i>1b Marv Throneberry 2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here SS Ray Oyler 3B Joe Foy C Choo Choo Coleman OF Dave Kingman OF Pepe Frias OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179) P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
Steve >>
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<< <i>If you could pick any players for a baseball game; past, present, up and coming, dead or still alive; for each position in a game, who would they be? >>
hmmmm.....so, i'm just picking guys for a game, right? a game i want to win. well, ok.....i would need to base it on my preference for guys i've actually seen play, but i do want a winning lineup, so it would have to be:
Rickey Henderson - CF Ryne Sandberg - 2B Roberto Clemente - RF Hank Aaron - LF Willie McCovey - 1B Mike Schmidt - 3B Johnny Bench - C Ozzie Smith - SS Bob Gibson - P Mariano Rivera - Closer
this is about as dynamic a lineup as i could conceive with fast thinking....i'm sure there are many better combos from eras past, but this group represents an incredible mix of speed, power, defense, and leadership that seems virtually unbeatable.
CF - Ty Cobb 2B - Rogers Hornsby LF - Ted Williams DH - Babe Ruth RF - Willie Mays 1B - Lou Gehrig 3B - Mike Schmidt C - Johnny Bench SS - Honus Wagner
I'm just curious but why all the love of Joe Morgan over Rogers Hornsby at second? From what I can tell Hornsby was better in almost every offensive catagory although not as good as Morgan defensively (but couldn't this be due to inferior equipment?). I'm young enough that I didn't get to see either play so I obviously have to rely on statistics which don't tell the whole story. Please educate me
Sadly (because I can't stand any facet of Morgan's existence) they're closer in value than one might think.
Win-Shares (amount of wins an individual player is worth to his team)
#11 160.3 - Rogers Hornsby #12 158.3 - Joe Morgan
Hornsby never swiped more than 17 bags in one season...career Fielding % of .965 (Morgan - .981%) would be Alfonso Soriano-esque awful in today's game. Granted, field conditions, equipment etc has to be taken into account. So although Hornsby was a vastly superior hitter, (Hornsby career - 175 OPS+ to Morgan's 132 OPS+) Morgan was a more complete all-around player.
edit to add - Eddie Collins is also right there with Hornsby & Morgan at #13 157.0
The only reason I picked Morgan over Hornsby is what they meant to their teams. Morgan was the heart and soul of the Big Red Machine. He was a winner. The guys on the team respected him. Hornsby was known as a guy that was a Rogers Hornsby guy. Kinda like a Barry Bonds. He was traded by the Cards just to get rid of him. And the Cards got better after he left.
Hornsby was known as a guy that was a Rogers Hornsby guy. Kinda like a Barry Bonds. He was traded by the Cards just to get rid of him. And the Cards got better after he left.
no it wasn't that Hornsby was selfish or a me-first guy, it was that he was a ball of hatred (Ty Cobb levels) abrasive, and allegedly a member of the KKK. In Cardinal tradition, they clipped him because they didn't want to pay him. Following the 1926 WS (which the Cards won over the Yanks) Hornsby wanted $50K for 5 years, the Cards offered $40K, he wouldn't budge, and subsequently he was dealt to the Giants.
<< <i>1b Marv Throneberry 2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here SS Ray Oyler 3B Joe Foy C Choo Choo Coleman OF Dave Kingman OF Pepe Frias OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179) P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
<< <i>1b Marv Throneberry 2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here SS Ray Oyler 3B Joe Foy C Choo Choo Coleman OF Dave Kingman OF Pepe Frias OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179) P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
Steve >>
Dave Kingman is way to good for that team. >>
I believe the "Anthony" guy lost 24 games in a row for the Mets. I remember seeing an interview with him after breaking the record.
I stand corrected: Anthony Young lost 26 straight games in 1992-1993, maybe 24 was when he broke the previous record.
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2B - Joe Morgan
3B - Mike Schmidt
SS - Honus Wagner
LF - Ted Williams
CF - Mickey Mantle
RF - Babe Ruth
C - Johnny Bench
P - Walter Johnson
Rlf P - Sandy Koufax
DH - Hank Aaron (I hate the DH, but I had to find a spot for Hank)
Pinch Runner - Rickey Henderson
Steve
1B - Eddie Murray
2B - Joe Morgan
3B - Tie: Mike Schmidt, George Brett
SS - Robin Yount
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Tie: Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente
C - Johnny Bench
DH - Frank Thomas
RHP - Tom Seaver
LHP - Tie: Steve Carlton, Randy Johnson
Closer - Mariano Rivera
Pinch Runner - Sid Bream
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1B Albert Pujols
2B Roberto Alomar
3B George Brett
SS Derek Jeter
OF Ichiro
CF Ken Griffey Jr.
OF Rickey Henderson
C Ivan Rodriguez
P Randy Johnson
P Nolan Ryan
P Greg Maddux
C Mariano Rivera
DH Frank Thomas
Yes, it was tough not including Ripken and even Bonds and Clemens.....
2B Eddie Collins
SS Honus Wagner
3B Mike Schmidt
C Johnny Bench
LHP Warren Spahn
RHP Walter Johnson
OF Babe Ruth
OF Ty Cobb
OF Willie Mays
1B - Willie McCovey
2B - Joe Morgan
3B - Mike Schmidt
SS - Ozzie Smith
LF - Hank Aaron
CF - Rickey Henderson
RF - Dave Winfield
C - Johnny Bench
RHP - Nolan Ryan
LHP - Steve Carlton
Reliever - Goose Gossage
Steve
2B-Rogers Hornsby
SS-Ernie Banks
3B-Brooks Robinson
LF-Stan Musial
CF-Willie Mays
RF-Hank Aaron
C-Yogi Berra
P-Walter Johnson
RP-Hoyt Wilhelm
RF Cobb
CF Mays
DH Ruth
IB Gehrig
2B Hornsby
LF Williams
3B Schmitt
C Bench
SS Wagner
Bench
OF Musial
OF Dimaggio
OF Mantle
IF George Brett
IF Banks
C Berra
Staff
W.Johnson
C.Young
C.Mathewson
S.Koufax
N.Ryan
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
1B Stan Musial
2B Rogers Hornsby
3B Mike Schmidt
SS Honus Wagner
LF Ted Williams
CF Ty Cobb
RF Babe Ruth
P Walter Johnson
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Brooks Robinson over Schmidt is a bad joke; and
Clemente and Aaron tied? No way. Clemente was a great player (although he rarely walked), but he was no Aaron.
I'll take Michael Jack over Robinson.
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Joe Morgan
3B Mike Schmidt
SS Derek Jeter
OF Ty Cobb
OF Babe Ruth
OF Ted Williams
C Johnny Bench
DH Lou Brock
SP Bob Gibson
RP Mariano Rivera
This is just for one game, and although I don't think Jeter is better than Honus, for one game I think he'd man up for it. Bob Gibson was the greatest big game pitcher of all time. Although Brock is not nearly as good in terms of career value as Aaron and others, I could use Brock's speed, and in big games/series, nobody was better than Lou, arguably the greatest postseason hitter of all-time.
My small collection
Want List:
'61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
Cardinal T206 cards
Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here
SS Ray Oyler
3B Joe Foy
C Choo Choo Coleman
OF Dave Kingman
OF Pepe Frias
OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179)
P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight
RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
Steve
1st-Pete Rose
2nd -Joe Morgan
ss-Derek jeter
3rd-Brooks Robinson
P-Nolan Ryan
C-Johnny Bench
OF-Aaron
OF-Frank robinson
OF-Clemete
<< <i>1b Marv Throneberry
2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here
SS Ray Oyler
3B Joe Foy
C Choo Choo Coleman
OF Dave Kingman
OF Pepe Frias
OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179)
P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight
RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
Steve >>
No love for Kong (Kingman) Steve?
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>If you could pick any players for a baseball game; past, present, up and coming, dead or still alive; for each position in a game, who would they be? >>
hmmmm.....so, i'm just picking guys for a game, right? a game i want to win. well, ok.....i would need to base it on my preference for guys i've actually seen play, but i do want a winning lineup, so it would have to be:
Rickey Henderson - CF
Ryne Sandberg - 2B
Roberto Clemente - RF
Hank Aaron - LF
Willie McCovey - 1B
Mike Schmidt - 3B
Johnny Bench - C
Ozzie Smith - SS
Bob Gibson - P
Mariano Rivera - Closer
this is about as dynamic a lineup as i could conceive with fast thinking....i'm sure there are many better combos from eras past, but this group represents an incredible mix of speed, power, defense, and leadership that seems virtually unbeatable.
2B - Rogers Hornsby
LF - Ted Williams
DH - Babe Ruth
RF - Willie Mays
1B - Lou Gehrig
3B - Mike Schmidt
C - Johnny Bench
SS - Honus Wagner
I'm just curious but why all the love of Joe Morgan over Rogers Hornsby at second? From what I can tell Hornsby was better in almost every offensive catagory although not as good as Morgan defensively (but couldn't this be due to inferior equipment?). I'm young enough that I didn't get to see either play so I obviously have to rely on statistics which don't tell the whole story. Please educate me
Sadly (because I can't stand any facet of Morgan's existence) they're closer in value than one might think.
Win-Shares (amount of wins an individual player is worth to his team)
#11 160.3 - Rogers Hornsby
#12 158.3 - Joe Morgan
Hornsby never swiped more than 17 bags in one season...career Fielding % of .965 (Morgan - .981%) would be Alfonso Soriano-esque awful in today's game. Granted, field conditions, equipment etc has to be taken into account. So although Hornsby was a vastly superior hitter, (Hornsby career - 175 OPS+ to Morgan's 132 OPS+) Morgan was a more complete all-around player.
edit to add - Eddie Collins is also right there with Hornsby & Morgan at #13 157.0
My small collection
Want List:
'61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
Cardinal T206 cards
Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
no it wasn't that Hornsby was selfish or a me-first guy, it was that he was a ball of hatred (Ty Cobb levels) abrasive, and allegedly a member of the KKK. In Cardinal tradition, they clipped him because they didn't want to pay him. Following the 1926 WS (which the Cards won over the Yanks) Hornsby wanted $50K for 5 years, the Cards offered $40K, he wouldn't budge, and subsequently he was dealt to the Giants.
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<< <i>1b Marv Throneberry
2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here
SS Ray Oyler
3B Joe Foy
C Choo Choo Coleman
OF Dave Kingman
OF Pepe Frias
OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179)
P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight
RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
Steve >>
Dave Kingman is way to good for that team.
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<< <i>1b Marv Throneberry
2b Mario Mendoza (have no idea what pos. he played) may as well be here
SS Ray Oyler
3B Joe Foy
C Choo Choo Coleman
OF Dave Kingman
OF Pepe Frias
OF Rob Deer ( the year he hit 179)
P Anthony (forgot his last name) or was that his last name? guy that lost 16 straight
RP Anyone the Mets have had (I'm sure to get the blown save)
Steve >>
Dave Kingman is way to good for that team. >>
I believe the "Anthony" guy lost 24 games in a row for the Mets. I remember seeing an interview with him after breaking the record.
I stand corrected: Anthony Young lost 26 straight games in 1992-1993, maybe 24 was when he broke the previous record.
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