<< <i>If it is a coin that you really want or it is hard to find, I would grovel to the dealer, apologize, and then politely ask if he would allow the coin to be viewed on an approval basis. If he cannot do that, you need to decide to take a gamble or not.
If the coin is common, I would not respond or apologize to the dealer, but simply move on to another dealer. >>
Given the circumstances as explained, I'd have responded to the dealer that "he should go screw himself," and tell him the list of high end dealers I, regularly, do business. Any dealer who responds in such a manner to such a simple question......doesn't deserve any "understanding," just heaps of cow dung piled on him.
With the understanding there might be more to the story that the OP hasn't related, I don't see why people appear to be eager to infer rudeness in the dealer's reply. So it was a short response- there could be many reasons for that, least of all that he didn't intend to insult and therefore, didn't imagine it would be taken that way. Unless you have more definite evidence of rudeness than has been posted to this point, why not give the guy a break? Don't you think that it's possible that, somewhere along the line, you might respond to someone in a way they could maybe take as an insult or not? Wouldn't you hope they gave you the benefit of the doubt?
<< <i>With the understanding there might be more to the story that the OP hasn't related, I don't see why people appear to be eager to infer rudeness in the dealer's reply. So it was a short response- there could be many reasons for that, least of all that he didn't intend to insult and therefore, didn't imagine it would be taken that way. Unless you have more definite evidence of rudeness than has been posted to this point, why not give the guy a break? Don't you think that it's possible that, somewhere along the line, you might respond to someone in a way they could maybe take as an insult or not? Wouldn't you hope they gave you the benefit of the doubt? >>
I agree with Mr. Headd. Some people just send short messages. I get that sometimes as well.
Always took candy from strangers Didn't wanna get me no trade Never want to be like papa Working for the boss every night and day --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>With the understanding there might be more to the story that the OP hasn't related, I don't see why people appear to be eager to infer rudeness in the dealer's reply. So it was a short response- there could be many reasons for that, least of all that he didn't intend to insult and therefore, didn't imagine it would be taken that way. Unless you have more definite evidence of rudeness than has been posted to this point, why not give the guy a break? Don't you think that it's possible that, somewhere along the line, you might respond to someone in a way they could maybe take as an insult or not? Wouldn't you hope they gave you the benefit of the doubt? >>
There really isn't any more to the story, it's that simple. I expressed interest in something the dealer was offering and he wasn't very tactful in his response.
I will add that in this day and age a terse and seemingly rude reply might simply be a function of a guy typing his response to you with his thumbs on a tiny cell phone while driving.
<< <i>I will add that in this day and age a terse and seemingly rude reply might simply be a function of a guy typing his response to you with his thumbs on a tiny cell phone while driving. >>
then he should pull the heck over to the side of the road, for safety if nothing else, and then add courtesy to part of his being a businessman.
Again, a dealer like that......ought to be told to put his coins where the sun don't shine until they tone the appropriate color.
<< <i>Greer? Another great dealer who hasn't photographed in the past (and won't even upon request, I've tried, even for $1000+ coins.) But recently I have seen some images popping up on his site. He will give you a detailed description of the coin if you ask nicely, and he has a return policy.
Some people just don't do images. Sorry to say. >>
I agree about Brian Greer. But he goes out of his way not to be rude. And he can describe his coins in detail when no photos are provided.
One time I asked him to compare and contrast his (un-imaged) coin with a link I provided to a photo of another coin with a similar grade. He declined, saying it would be bad form to comment on another dealer's coin. Definitely old school, tactful and polite, although his email responses are sometimes very short.
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<< <i>I recently came across a few listings on a dealer's website that interested me and there were no pictures available, although other coins in his/their inventory did so obviously pictures could be had. I assumed that by politely asking via e-mail if a few quick pictures or scans could be provided, it would not be a big deal but apparently I was wrong.
An e-mail from the dealer arrives in my inbox later that day simply stating, "I don't do pictures by request." That's it, nothing more and clearly nothing less. Heck, if you're not going to provide an image, at least give a much more detailed description of the coins I inquired about.
Alas, my money will be spent elsewhere. Anyone else have a similar story to share? >>
About the worst possible response in my book. Horrid, how does he stay in business?
When i list on ebay i provide the best possible pictures that i can take. Front, back and usually 2 more if coin is worth more than 100 bucks and probably a few more than that if coin is worth more. 99 percent of what i sell is certified. If and when i get request for more pictures i usually say that is the best i can do and if you need or want more to decide you should probably just pass on my auction listing and look for another example some where else. I try to say it as nice as i can. I list the best pics i can, to maximize the potential dollar amount . Those that need more i hope pass cause most likely they are more picky than i care to deal with.
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<< <i>I recently came across a few listings on a dealer's website that interested me and there were no pictures available, although other coins in his/their inventory did so obviously pictures could be had. I assumed that by politely asking via e-mail if a few quick pictures or scans could be provided, it would not be a big deal but apparently I was wrong.
An e-mail from the dealer arrives in my inbox later that day simply stating, "I don't do pictures by request." That's it, nothing more and clearly nothing less. Heck, if you're not going to provide an image, at least give a much more detailed description of the coins I inquired about.
Alas, my money will be spent elsewhere. Anyone else have a similar story to share? >>
I have said this brfore on the Forum. That to me is somewhat akin to a used car dealer that won't list prices in their ads. If you call, or go by to check on an automobile they have the first words from their mouths is, "What will you give me for it?" Therefore no prices in the ad I just skip any contact with this dealer. A coin dealer that will not provide pictures should be avoided like the plague. There is something wrong there.
Ron
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<< <i>An e-mail from the dealer arrives in my inbox later that day simply stating, "I don't do pictures by request." That's it, nothing more and clearly nothing less. Heck, if you're not going to provide an image, at least give a much more detailed description of the coins I inquired about. >>
I remember when PCGS started they advertised the service as something that would allow buyers and sellers to trade in coins sight unseen based on the independent grade opinion? Obviously that doesn't work as everyone soon discovered that coins within the same technical grade are quite different from each other.
I recently advertised a group of certified Morgan's without images, what happened is that I was overwhelmed with image requests and thus my simple approach to sell them didn't work and I didn't sell any. I agree that anyone selling a coin must offer either a return policy or send images upon request. Given I was willing to sell all the coins below book I figured the return rate would be miniscule and thus far simpler that photographing them individually and using an FTP service to host the images. It will take 25 times longer to do the images than to type a list.
Another interesting problem I have with digital photography of coins is that no matter how hard I try, the coins look five times better than they are or conversely they look 5 times worse than they are, I can't for the life of me actually take an image that is accurate of the surface condition? Oh well.
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<< <i>Or perhaps they could be, but I wouldn't know as pictures can't be provided nor a description!
So you want a photo AND a description? I think you are being extreeeeeemely demanding.
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<< <i>If it is a coin that you really want or it is hard to find, I would grovel to the dealer, apologize, and then politely ask if he would allow the coin to be viewed on an approval basis. If he cannot do that, you need to decide to take a gamble or not.
If the coin is common, I would not respond or apologize to the dealer, but simply move on to another dealer. >>
Given the circumstances as explained, I'd have responded to the dealer that "he should go screw himself," and tell him the list of high end dealers I, regularly, do business. Any dealer who responds in such a manner to such a simple question......doesn't deserve any "understanding," just heaps of cow dung piled on him.
<< <i>With the understanding there might be more to the story that the OP hasn't related, I don't see why people appear to be eager to infer rudeness in the dealer's reply. So it was a short response- there could be many reasons for that, least of all that he didn't intend to insult and therefore, didn't imagine it would be taken that way. Unless you have more definite evidence of rudeness than has been posted to this point, why not give the guy a break? Don't you think that it's possible that, somewhere along the line, you might respond to someone in a way they could maybe take as an insult or not? Wouldn't you hope they gave you the benefit of the doubt? >>
I agree with Mr. Headd. Some people just send short messages. I get that sometimes as well.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>no pic + no response = no deal. get over it >>
Been there - didn't end well. IMHO - no pics provided = purchase of the unwanted coin!
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<< <i>With the understanding there might be more to the story that the OP hasn't related, I don't see why people appear to be eager to infer rudeness in the dealer's reply. So it was a short response- there could be many reasons for that, least of all that he didn't intend to insult and therefore, didn't imagine it would be taken that way. Unless you have more definite evidence of rudeness than has been posted to this point, why not give the guy a break? Don't you think that it's possible that, somewhere along the line, you might respond to someone in a way they could maybe take as an insult or not? Wouldn't you hope they gave you the benefit of the doubt? >>
There really isn't any more to the story, it's that simple. I expressed interest in something the dealer was offering and he wasn't very tactful in his response.
<< <i>I will add that in this day and age a terse and seemingly rude reply might simply be a function of a guy typing his response to you with his thumbs on a tiny cell phone while driving. >>
then he should pull the heck over to the side of the road, for safety if nothing else, and then add courtesy to part of his being a businessman.
Again, a dealer like that......ought to be told to put his coins where the sun don't shine until they tone the appropriate color.
<< <i>Greer? Another great dealer who hasn't photographed in the past (and won't even upon request, I've tried, even for
$1000+ coins.) But recently I have seen some images popping up on his site. He will give you a detailed description of the
coin if you ask nicely, and he has a return policy.
Some people just don't do images. Sorry to say. >>
I agree about Brian Greer. But he goes out of his way not to be rude. And he can describe
his coins in detail when no photos are provided.
One time I asked him to compare and contrast his (un-imaged) coin with a link I provided
to a photo of another coin with a similar grade. He declined, saying it would be bad form
to comment on another dealer's coin. Definitely old school, tactful and polite, although
his email responses are sometimes very short.
Mark
Discover all unpredictable errors before they occur.
<< <i>I recently came across a few listings on a dealer's website that interested me and there were no pictures available, although other coins in his/their inventory did so obviously pictures could be had. I assumed that by politely asking via e-mail if a few quick pictures or scans could be provided, it would not be a big deal but apparently I was wrong.
An e-mail from the dealer arrives in my inbox later that day simply stating, "I don't do pictures by request." That's it, nothing more and clearly nothing less. Heck, if you're not going to provide an image, at least give a much more detailed description of the coins I inquired about.
Alas, my money will be spent elsewhere. Anyone else have a similar story to share? >>
About the worst possible response in my book. Horrid, how does he stay in business?
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<< <i>I recently came across a few listings on a dealer's website that interested me and there were no pictures available, although other coins in his/their inventory did so obviously pictures could be had. I assumed that by politely asking via e-mail if a few quick pictures or scans could be provided, it would not be a big deal but apparently I was wrong.
An e-mail from the dealer arrives in my inbox later that day simply stating, "I don't do pictures by request." That's it, nothing more and clearly nothing less. Heck, if you're not going to provide an image, at least give a much more detailed description of the coins I inquired about.
Alas, my money will be spent elsewhere. Anyone else have a similar story to share? >>
I have said this brfore on the Forum.
That to me is somewhat akin to a used car dealer that won't list prices in their ads. If you call, or go by to check on an automobile they have the first words from their mouths is, "What will you give me for it?" Therefore no prices in the ad I just skip any contact with this dealer. A coin dealer that will not provide pictures should be avoided like the plague. There is something wrong there.
Ron
<< <i>An e-mail from the dealer arrives in my inbox later that day simply stating, "I don't do pictures by request." That's it, nothing more and clearly nothing less. Heck, if you're not going to provide an image, at least give a much more detailed description of the coins I inquired about. >>
Did you request one?
I recently advertised a group of certified Morgan's without images, what happened is that I was overwhelmed with image requests and thus my simple approach to sell them didn't work and I didn't sell any. I agree that anyone selling a coin must offer either a return policy or send images upon request. Given I was willing to sell all the coins below book I figured the return rate would be miniscule and thus far simpler that photographing them individually and using an FTP service to host the images. It will take 25 times longer to do the images than to type a list.
Another interesting problem I have with digital photography of coins is that no matter how hard I try, the coins look five times better than they are or conversely they look 5 times worse than they are, I can't for the life of me actually take an image that is accurate of the surface condition? Oh well.