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Silver Spikes and Power Struggles

The word is out amongst large investors on the street to avoid buying silver or be made an example of. There is one thing common amongst billionaires - they all have a lot to lose and must maintain a co-existence with governments and bankers. SILVER
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  • carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭✭
    For every article calling you a fool for stacking Ag there is another calling you a fool for not stacking Ag.

    I just keep on adding to the stack with the same money others put in Stocks or Mutual Funds.

    Funny how you don't read nearly the same amount of ink talking about what a risk that has been in tha face of huge sell offs and out right proof of insider
    manipulation.

    The only real fear I have is not Silver dropping to $5 an Oz, (that will just allow my paper to buy that much more metal). Its
    more the discovery of a vast vein of the stuff that Comstocks the playing field.

    Loves me some shiny!
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's ok... gives the smaller investors more time to stack their stash higher before all the big boys jump in late in the game and launch the price.
    ----- kj
  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    This is like 1933 not 1980 IMO. Since there's not gold standard like the early 30's your going to get inflation since they can print money until no one will take it any longer. There's much less silver than in 1980 and the use as water purification is coming so no chemicals. Governments have lost control of gold and silver and there's not the Hunt brothers this time to make it behave only paper which is being exposed.

    The wealth for the 21st centruy is going from West to East just like we did to Europe in the 20th century. They have cheap labor we can't get any longer. Forget the illegals they aren't cheap in the long run. When we made our move the cost of being a citizen was zero. Now with all the benefits it's very high.

    Americans seem to always thing there way of thinking is the only way. The rest of the world which is the majority by a very large margin have seen fiat currencies go way south and out so they will have much more say than the 20 century of US control of the value of goods since they'll have the money.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not so sure that is the correct story on Buffet's 100-120 MILL oz. silver position. What I've seen more commonly stated is that he held his position from the mid-1990's right up to 2004 when SLV was funded. Somewhere, somehow, that fund came up with 60-80 MILL oz of silver in a very short period of time and many believe it came from Buffet selling out...or being made an offer he couldn't refuse...for concessions at a later date (such as cheap shares in major banks). If Buffet didn't supply the SLV silver, then where did that quantity come from in only a few months time without upsetting the price? I think Buffet knew he was right with silver but went along with the big boys to dump his position early in order to get a better seat at the poker table for the eventual SHTF event. Had he held on until 2008 he would have tripled up. In 2004 things had barely begun to warm up for silver but then again in 1995-1996 he was quite early in silver considering how hot the stock market was to become.

    The Hunts couldn't have been hurt by silver in the 1970's if they didn't buy on margin and just kept stacking physical at $4-$6/oz. Buying futures contracts on margin at $35/oz in late 1979 was lunacy. But they played the paper game and had little choice when the TPTB changed the rules 3 separate times and crushed them. How would investors today like it if tomorrow the govt said that stocks in 401k's could only be liquidated and no longer purchased? That's what finally did the Hunts in after margin requirements had been raised along with tighter total silver contract limits.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately TPTB can change the rules at any time that will affect us. Whether it is buying/selling on margin, stacking silver, selling precious metals, 401Ks, IRAs.... you name it. All one can do is make your bet as you see fit and hope it holds....
    ----- kj
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately TPTB can change the rules at any time that will affect us. Whether it is buying/selling on margin, stacking silver, selling precious metals, 401Ks, IRAs.... you name it. All one can do is make your bet as you see fit and hope it holds....

    That's exactly right, tincup.

    You make your bets and stay vigilant, because the rules WILL change. The rules change to suit the money men who can't compete on a level playing field, aka - GM, Chrysler, AIG, Fannie, Freddie, WaMu, Indybank, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Countrywide, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros, Citibank, FDIC and the Federal Reserve private banking consortium. They've all been given a free pass, while the rest of us struggle.

    It's the money men who buy & sell our politicians and it's the money men who call the shots. The financial reform bill didn't do a thing, and that should tell you something. It tells me that resources will continue to be siphoned off of the remaining economy and into the machine. The thing is unsustainable and the math is clear. When I ask myself, why? Why? I see the answers over in Spain. There is a class of people who simply insist on lavish lifestyles and will steal from anyone and everyone in order to get it.

    Buy gold, reload.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • InYHWHWeTrustInYHWHWeTrust Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Unfortunately TPTB can change the rules at any time that will affect us. Whether it is buying/selling on margin, stacking silver, selling precious metals, 401Ks, IRAs.... you name it. All one can do is make your bet as you see fit and hope it holds....

    That's exactly right, tincup.

    You make your bets and stay vigilant, because the rules WILL change. The rules change to suit the money men who can't compete on a level playing field, aka - GM, Chrysler, AIG, Fannie, Freddie, WaMu, Indybank, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Countrywide, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros, Citibank, FDIC and the Federal Reserve private banking consortium. They've all been given a free pass, while the rest of us struggle.

    It's the money men who buy & sell our politicians and it's the money men who call the shots. The financial reform bill didn't do a thing, and that should tell you something. It tells me that resources will continue to be siphoned off of the remaining economy and into the machine. The thing is unsustainable and the math is clear. When I ask myself, why? Why? I see the answers over in Spain. There is a class of people who simply insist on lavish lifestyles and will steal from anyone and everyone in order to get it.

    Buy gold, reload. >>



    potd
    Do your best to avoid circular arguments, as it will help you reason better, because better reasoning is often a result of avoiding circular arguments.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jmski52......you said it!

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • Jmski52........ brillant! Staying informed and protecting assets is key. We've got to stop giving our money away if you know what I mean. Turn those hard earned dollars into PM's or stocks in which the company has tangible assets.


  • << <i>Unfortunately TPTB can change the rules at any time that will affect us. Whether it is buying/selling on margin, stacking silver, selling precious metals, 401Ks, IRAs.... you name it. All one can do is make your bet as you see fit and hope it holds....



    It's the money men who buy & sell our politicians and it's the money men who call the shots.

    Boy ain't that the truth!image
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,649 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The word is out amongst large investors on the street to avoid buying silver or be made an example of. There is one thing common amongst billionaires - they all have a lot to lose and must maintain a co-existence with governments and bankers. SILVER >>



    "Silver has a history of undergoing massive spikes that look more like a heart rate chart than a stock or commodity chart."


    The big boys will destroy anyone who tries to corner the silver market
    but without government interference they are absolutely powerless
    against tens of thousands of small investors who can see past the end
    next week. They can short silver until the cows come home and keep
    their foot on its throat but they can't run factories with paper and they
    can't create silver out of thin air.

    The next spike will make an echocardiogram look like slow motion.

    Then the taxpayer will have to bail them out again and factories will
    shut down because these criminals tried to milk a mummified cow.
    Tempus fugit.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The next spike will make an echocardiogram look like slow motion.

    So, it spikes pretty hard does it? Yikes!

    Remember 1977, 1978, and 1979. Before a meaningful spike, I have to think that there will be a slow burn - and that's what we're seeing right now. The best analogy I've heard yet is still that of a pool of lighter fluid, waiting for the ignition source. Someone here provided that great visual for me. That's exactly what we've got with the successive injections of QE. Yeah, they like the term Quantitative Easing because nobody will catch on that they are talking about doubling the money supply and halving the value of your dollars. Euphemisms that are designed by government hacks to mislead the public, and if they say it often enough, it must be so.

    I forget where I read it, but in Poland before the disintegration of the communist state, because of the oppression of free speech they couldn't complain outright. Near the end of the regime, Solidarity and the People began posting "2+2=4" all over the place in defiance of government propaganda and lies. I think that we are close to the same point of realization in the silver market and also as it relates to our government "apparatus".

    The great thing about silver is that the price point is affordable for more people. As more people look for ways to protect themselves economically, silver will disappear faster. Not only will that cause physical bottlenecks and reveal whether or not there truly is a physical shortage, but it will stimulate the price and best of all, more people will be somewhat protected. The problem as I see it is that people buying into the market when it rises may or may not understand why it is inherently a smart thing to be doing. If they are simply chasing the price momentum, they are missing the point.

    There is a story behind silver, and the story about price manipulation and physical shortages are every bit as important as any profits. The silver market represents a market that is trying to break free, and as such it represents a stand against the lies & deceipt that inhabits the market operators & regulators.

    Think Poland. 2+2=4.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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