Stupid people buying reprints

JHS5120

Why can't anyone tell that these are reprints?!

The top of the cap should not be touching the border.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!


Seriously this is ridiculous that this guy will make $500 this week by selling $5 worth of reprints.

hhmag70

But they are moldy!

slaphappy

Only card shop I know of near Conway Arkansas does not have a clue about the business. They were clue less on my only visit there.

diamondman

<< <i>Why can't anyone tell that these are reprints?!

Seriously this is ridiculous that this guy will make $500 this week by selling $5 worth of reprints. >>




why they have to be old they have mold on them, sucker born every minute, vintage 25 yrs old or older ?

why ebay allows this is beyond me, I guess it shows that greed takes over and there are still a lot of novice collectors looking for that Big score and think that they are just as good if not better than any TPG company.

education sometimes costs a lot more than just the price of a book.

72skywalker

Could be shill bidders as well to drive up the price. If people see that there are a lot of bids on something they think it must be good or legit so they will plunck down a bid as well.

slaphappy

This is why its buyer beware notice the word vintage is being tossed around. THey never say original or anything. These are most likely early 80s reprints so technically they are vintage.

Alot of times though the bidders on these auctions are vigalantes who have no intention of paying for the item

Barfvader

Item specifics in the listing say : Original/Reprint: Original Year: 1933

So he IS by that saying they are from the year of issue.

I've asked him a question on one of his auctions what would he do if card is sent to PSA and it's deemed to be not authentic. Don't expect an answer though.

slaphappy

did not see that, but I don't think I have ever looked at that part. many sellers dont use them

Barfvader

Got a reply.

Question asked was would they reimburse the cost of the winning bid if a grading company deemed the card not authentic.

Reply: I would say yes but. I had a buy ask me about sending a card of and it graded authenticate but was a low graded so he sent it back to me and do to the time it took I lost the fees on eBay and paypal I had to pay plus the shipping. But thank you for asking, Sheryl

ShootyBabitt

I can't really translate Sheryl's writing, but it looks like the third feedback here is the one who had it graded (and paid $300 for it):

Negative

hhmag70

Looking at the items for sale the only guess I can come up with is that they are willing to eat alot of sales (at .15 with free shipping) to come across looking legit so they can reel in a sucker on the moldy vintage listings.

captainthreeputt

Three things:

1st I purchased the 1954 Wilson Franks that he or she is listing again, and I sent it in to PSA and it came back questionable Authenticity, so I won the dispute.

Therefore I do agree that these cards are not real. Which comes to my second which is a question not a point

2nd I went to look on ebay at the PSA graded Gehrigs and the hat looks like it is touching on almost all of them. Are you saying those are all fakes too? I bring this up just for knowledge.

3rd I purchased a nice PSA 3.5 from a reputable guy here on the boards, and I just went and checked it, and the hat is definitely not touching the top.

mcolney1

Isn't that Mantle from the '89 Bowman set? I think I have a stack of them...I'll put them outside for a week or two and see if I can't increase their value!

gemint

<< <i>Item specifics in the listing say : Original/Reprint: Original Year: 1933

So he IS by that saying they are from the year of issue.

I've asked him a question on one of his auctions what would he do if card is sent to PSA and it's deemed to be not authentic. Don't expect an answer though. >>



He'll say "what does PSA know? They make mistakes all the time. They have mold on them, so they are real."

Actually he would probably respond with the following:

"what does psa no? they mak mistaks all the tim. they mold on htme. so thye reel."

fkw

This card is a very easy reprint to spot if you know where to look.

If you know your R319's, It take about 1 second to tell.

On this card first thing is the wear is wrong, but that comes from seeing and handling R319s daily for many years.

Cropping is the next and easier way to tell...
Dont just look at the hat,................ look at where the red strip at bottom touches the border on the left and right side.
Authentic R319 cards will have the red strip ever so slightly extend on one side or both into the white border farther than the background above it.

Look at the whole border where the picture hits the border, on these reprint the picture area has been slightly cropped when they design these reprints. They (the printers) do this because if you just rescreen the whole card there will be tiny print dots in the white border.

PS. On T206 cards its easier to tell because after they crop the photo they have to recreate the caption at bottom (because its was in the white border they cropped out) and they can never get the font, ink color, spacing right.

This seller is trash (probably not a woman), they also have a garbage E90-1 Joe Jackson Rookie fake too. On that card the back was doctored to remove the word "REPRINT" from the bottom, and also the "20" in upper left corner that was handwritten on the original card this reprint back was designed from. So they intentionally damage the card to cover their doctoring. But this idiot really doesnt know that there are at least a half dozen "keys" that show it as a reprint, the top to bottom width of border is way too wide and same with the combined left and right border. Also like T206 reprints the caption of this E90-1 Jackson is wrong, the spacing is slight off (line up letters with the uniform above to see).


In some ways clowns that buy big name vintage cards and dont know these sets are asking to get ripped off.
Educate yourself with commons in G/VG grade (so you can see and feel what a real card wears like) before you go for the big boys

fkw

combined posts above

JHS5120

The Wilson Frank isn't so easy to ID in this case.

There is so much wear on the card that it is hard to spot the border (though if you look hard enough it is visible). The only way that I can spot it is the difference in paper stock and the front foot.

Notice the toe on the front foot in the bottom scan easily visible while the reprint has the toe slightly cropped off. This is a tuff card when no border is present.

Stone193

I think someone should contact the seller and tell him - since these things are just plain crap and fake - if I win? don't mail the card - just EMAIL it to me!

WinPitcher

I would not call these people stupid. I'd call them ill informed.


Steve

3SportHOFCOLLECTOR

This is not the first time I have sellers age Reprints and sell they at high prices for Reprints. Ebay should step in here. These people that bid on this think they are getting something for nothing. I got burned on a 1985 Mark McGwire probably 11 years ago and the seller was gone after he got the money, but these people are stupid and this is definitely not something new under the sun with Reprints.

slaphappy

<< <i>I would not call these people stupid. I'd call them ill informed.


Steve >>



I agree

fkw

Id call them "Not Smart" or "Gullible" and sometimes "Greedy Newbies" for not taking the time to research what they plan on collecting.

The info is easily obtained, internet, price guides, encyclopedias, auction catalogs, and asking other collectors questions are all within anyones grasp.


Many of these guys getting ripped off are newbies only recently in our hobby to invest, or others jumping in too fast.
In some ways Im glad some of them get burned right away and go back to coins, stockbroking, flipping property, beanie babies, modern pseudocards, etc.

We dont need investors in our hobby. Its already an industry full of greedy old men, more than a sports fan hobby now.

If you dont want to get scammed..... become an expert in your field.