Sacagawea "Cheerios" varieties

dpoole

Both FS-401 and FS-901 are identified as "Cheerios" Sacagaweas with the raised tail feathers. PCGS lists them in the Registry, and have different ID numbers for them (41190 for the FS-901, 147231 for the FS-401).

I haven't been able to figure out the difference between them.

Can anyone help?

19Lyds

From the Set Registry:

147231 2000-P Cheerios Dollar FS-401
147883 2000-P Wounded Eagle FS-901

From the Population Reports:

411990 2000-P SAC$1 "Cheerios" Dollar

There are two Cheerios Dollars slabs for only one Cheerios Dollar, one slabbed as simply a Cheerios Patter with no FS (Fivaz-Stanton) Number and one slabbed with the FS Number (FS-401).

There is no population for coin number 41190

dpoole

<< <i>From the Set Registry:

147231 2000-P Cheerios Dollar FS-401
147883 2000-P Wounded Eagle FS-901

From the Population Reports:

411990 2000-P SAC$1 "Cheerios" Dollar

There are two Cheerios Dollars slabs for only one Cheerios Dollar, one slabbed as simply a Cheerios Patter with no FS (Fivaz-Stanton) Number and one slabbed with the FS Number (FS-401).

There is no population for coin number 41190 >>




So Sorry.

I meant to type "411990" for the FS-901 Cheerios Sac.

Anyone know the difference between these two Cheerios varieties?? (FS-401/PCGS147231 and FS-901/411990)?? PCGS shows both in the pop reports.

MsMorrisine

this thread on another site talks about an arrow-like die gouge in the eagle's breast

dpoole

This isn't the "wounded eagle."

On Coinfacts, PCGS has 411990 identified as the "Cheerios" Sac, and described all the Cheerios promotional hoopla, the emphasized tail features, etc. In the pop report, though, PCGS also lists 147231 the more populous "Cheerios," and lists it distinctly, with significant differences in the prices--nowhere describing the distinction between the two. The search of the 'net otherwise has proffered little clarification to date.

Any ideas?

19Lyds

The Cheerios Sacagawea has the luxury of its own coin number without requiring an FS Number for grading and Variety Attribution just like the 1974-D Kennedy DDO.
The Kennedy has two numbers, 96723 without the FS Number and 145385 with the FS Number.



The Cheerios dollar is exactly the same where one coin is graded without the FS number and the other is graded WITH the FS Number.



Other than the PCGS Coin Number, the coins are exactly the same.

frnklnlvr

There are other varieties that PCGS has two different numbers for like the big 1961 50c PF DDR, 1951-S 50c DDR. Can either coin number be used in the Registry Sets?

CaptHenway

Just guessing, but could it have anything to do with the fact that after I got the pattern reverse recognized everybody was calling them Cheerios Dollars, because most of them came out of the Cheerios packaging, but it was later discovered that not all coins in the Cheerios packaging had the pattern reverse?
For a while the services were certifying them as Cheerios dollars, but later changed the description to something more appropriate. Of course, there are still pieces out there with the earlier slab labels.
Just a thought.
TD

19Lyds

<< <i>There are other varieties that PCGS has two different numbers for like the big 1961 50c PF DDR, 1951-S 50c DDR. Can either coin number be used in the Registry Sets? >>

Yes.

dpoole

Talk about the Plastic and not the Coin, then!

PCGS' Price Guide lists the 411990 in MS68 for $9,000, and the 147231 in MS68 as $12,500!

eCoinquest

like 19Lyds said, there is no difference whatsoever between the coins, only the coin numbers. When PCGS first began to recognize the Cheerios Sac the holders read "Cheerios Dollar" FS-901.. After awhile PCGS changed it to read "Cheerios Dollar" FS-401..
I slabbed the second Cheerios Sac at PCGS and it read FS-901 while my more recent submissions read FS-401. I believe the change from FS-901 to FS-401 was due to the fact that the wounded eagle is FS-901 too. PCGS doesnt place the entire FS number on the slab making it confusing for the Cheerios and Wounded Eagle varieties. Recently, many Cheerios Dollars have simply been slabbed as "Cheerios Dollar" without the FS number all together..

As for the price difference, the 9k figure is probably simply a more recently updated price, and it also more accurately reflects the current true market value for these.

MsMorrisine

<< <i>like 19Lyds said, there is no difference whatsoever between the coins, only the coin numbers. When PCGS first began to recognize the Cheerios Sac the holders read "Cheerios Dollar" FS-901.. After awhile PCGS changed it to read "Cheerios Dollar" FS-401..
I slabbed the second Cheerios Sac at PCGS and it read FS-901 while my more recent submissions read FS-401. I believe the change from FS-901 to FS-401 was due to the fact that the wounded eagle is FS-901, too. PCGS doesnt place the entire FS number on the slab making it confusing for the Cheerios and Wounded Eagle varieties. Recently, many Cheerios Dollars have simply been slabbed as "Cheerios Dollar" without the FS number all together..

As for the price difference, the 9k figure is probably simply a more recently updated price, and it also more accurately reflects the current true market value for these. >>



now I'm confused.

are you saying there are some FS-901 labeled coins that are not of the "wounded eagle" variety?

and are there any "cheerios dollar" labeled coins that are not of the "prototype die" variety of any sort?

dpoole

NGC labels Cheerios Sac Prototype Reverse specimens, but PCGS doesn't appear to.

Thanks for the clarification, ecoinquest! I'd found FS-901 as designations for both the Wounded Eagle and some of the Cheerios specimens, and so was thoroughly confused. That clears it up!

19Lyds

Ya learn something new everyday around here!

I know I just did.

eCoinquest

MsMorrisine, yes there are a couple Cheerios Dollars slabbed with FS-901 which in fact is correct, at least in part. The Cheerios Dollar FS # reads FS-C1-2000P-901 while the Wounded Eagle reads FS-S1-2000P-901 so there is a slight difference but PCGS doesnt place the entire # on the slab which makes it somewhat confusing..
How they came up with FS-401 instead, I have no clue.
(Check Smalldollars.com, there is a photo of the second PCGS graded Cheerios Dollar. It has the FS-901 slab)

At the moment there are no PCGS Cheerios Dollars lacking the tail feathers due to PCGS' policy that they won't attribute a Cheerios Sac unless it has the extra tail feathers.