<< <i>james is an immature person with a huge ego. >>
I read an interesting article recently about how his huge ego is also a fragile one... and he may have difficulty dealing with the fallout from the spectacle he was going to make. From reading this thread it looks like he will truly get a lot of 'heat' in his near future.
I can't stand Lebron James but I don't get all of the extreme hate from the people of Cleveland. He gave his all for that city for 7 years and brought them to a place they had never been before basically on his own shoulders. He expressed many times that they needed to go out and get him a Robin to his Batman but the best they could come up with was Antawn.
He owes them absolutely nothing. Sure it sucks for them, but that's life. It happens everyday in real life America. Someone does a great job for a company and develops their skills and then another company offering more pay, better work conditions, or more perks lures them away. It's capitalism at it's finest. I'm surprised the government hasn't tried to put a halt on him leaving or instituted a "socialist" clause for the league.
<< <i>Nobody knew ANYTHING until the came out of that horse's mouth... I don't care what anyone else says. >>
My wife, who cares nothing at all about basketball, but who can read a person's facial expression better than anyone else I have ever met was watching with press conference with me. She agrees with you Jeff...she thinks he changed his mind sitting on that chair!
The most upsetting and damaging part of all of this is the way he stalled the Cavs while all of the other teams sucked up the good free agents. The Cavs had no choice but to wait on his decision. Now there is nothing left. THAT is why they're all upset.
No one would fault Lebron for leaving if he did it like everyone else but he had to do it live on TV. He also drew out the process which prevented Cleveland from signing anyone else in free agency. On the bright side, many people now have a new villian to root against.
Also, let's see how long the Miami Police Department will put up with LeBron's Mom's foolishness in THEIR neighborhood... she's been pulled over for DUI(s) and spotted in known crack house areas, and has always been let go and cops looked the other way. They won't do that in Miami.
<< <i>Also, let's see how long the Miami Police Department will put up with LeBron's Mom's foolishness in THEIR neighborhood... she's been pulled over for DUI(s) and spotted in known crack house areas, and has always been let go and cops looked the other way. They won't do that in Miami. >>
Maybe Delonte West can move down and help keep an eye on her.
First off, I feel for the people in Cleveland. I can understand the frustration since the Cavaliers won't be any good next year and business will suffer around the arena. I have no skin in this game because I'm no fan of either the Cavs or the Heat.
That said, all these insults around Lebron being narcissistic, cowardly, focused on money, etc, are a little misplaced IMHO.
First off, Lebron's primary motive for leaving was not about money. He left a lot of money on the table to go to Miami and Cleveland could offer him the most in salary. In many, many interviews he's stated that his top priority is winning a championship but that he hoped Cleveland would go get the right players. For most of those 7 years, he had virtually no supporting cast. He gave 7 years to Cleveland playing his guts out. You could tell he loved Cleveland and that this was a hard decision for him to make. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for a guy that has to choose between $x million and $y million, but still...
It seems to me that he felt that Cleveland ownership was not committed enough to winning, so he teamed up with D-wade and Bosh in Miami because he felt like that gave him the best shot. Why is that such an outrageous decision? It seems consistent with all his earlier statements about winning a championship being is primary motivation. The Cavs knew there was a chance they would lose him. How could you not? Everyone and their dog was courting him. They should have been courting and signing other free agents as well as a contingency plan. Why wouldn't you when you know if he leaves, you're screwed if you don't pick up some other free agents?
Furthermore, all the proceeds from ad sales on that 1 hour special were donated to Boys and Girls Club. So while he has a large ego like every other basketball player, I actually found it refreshing that a lot of money associated with that hype went to charity.
Other than the frustration of losing a great player, I guess I'm a little puzzled why Cleveland fans all of the sudden have so much hate for the guy that carried this team for so many years.
LeBron chose to try and win a title for HIMSELF rather than for Cleveland and Ohio. He will regret that decision as he matures and discovers what is important in life.
Kiss me once, shame on you. Kiss me twice.....let's party.
All the NBA greats want one thing more than anything else: championships. So, if he sees a better opportunity elsewhere to realize that goal, that's his prerogative and I wish him well.
If it were all about HIM, staying in Cleveland would have been a better choice. He wouldn't have to share the spotlight with anybody else and if he did win a championship there, he would have a chance to be considered the greatest to ever play the game. In Miami, he will be sharing the limelight with two other stars. His stats will likely diminish as will his legacy. But, his chances of winning championships just went way up, and assuming that is his primary goal, I can see the logic of that decision.
The talk about "leaving money on the table" isn't entirely right. Because he didn't do a sign and trade, he lost one year of max money on this contract but my understanding is that with less taxes in Florida, he actually made more by playing there than in Cleveland. Where it could come into play is if he gets hurt and doesn't sign a new deal but assuming that he does, he'll be right back on track.
<< <i>I live in Orlando and have lived here my whole life. I have watched The Magic since 1989. This on one hand is good becuase we play The Heat alot, on the other hand this blows!! They are going to be very tough but only time will tell how three ego's of that magnitude will play together. >>
I agree completely! I haven't been around since 89, but more likely '99 (back when Darrell Armstrong was THE MAN haha) and I feel similarly. I look at it as though the way free agency is going the East is going to be tough no matter where Lebron went so it's not a huge deal. Chicago, Orlando, Miami, and Boston will all be VERY GOOD teams, squads like Atlanta and Charlotte keep getting better each year, and the Wizards have #1 pick John Wall to build around. the Southeast will be interesting!
Look at it this way...maybe tickets in the new arena will be a little cheaper on the second hand market now that many people will jump over to being Heat fans? >>
I have been down the road in Daytona Bch. since 89 as well,with the new arena and high expactions again,Miami will be the best series in the east,Miami has nobody to stop Howard I'm glad I did re-up the season tixs!
<< <i>The talk about "leaving money on the table" isn't entirely right. Because he didn't do a sign and trade, he lost one year of max money on this contract but my understanding is that with less taxes in Florida, he actually made more by playing there than in Cleveland. Where it could come into play is if he gets hurt and doesn't sign a new deal but assuming that he does, he'll be right back on track. >>
Technically, for the first five years, comparing Miami and Cleveland annual salaries (net of taxes) you are correct (see CNBC article below); however, Cleveland would have given him a sixth year at max money for a larger overall pay package (obviously). Like you mention, if he were to get hurt or see a decline in his playing ability, that sixth year could turn out to be very valuable and in the end make the Cleveland monetary package much more valuable. That sixth year is a nice insurance policy for sure.
Even looking at the five years, the net (of taxes) difference is +1M in favor of Miami. I'm fairly certain that this was NOT anywhere near the primary reason Lebron chose Miami. 1M to him is chump change. He wants rings, just like all the NBA greats.
-------------------------------------------------------------- LeBron Can Make More With Heat Than Cavs
By: Darren Rovell CNBC Sports Business Reporter
Let’s assume that reports are accurate and that LeBron James is headed to Miami.
As with every other team but his current team Cleveland, the Heat can offer James a five-year deal worth $95.5 million versus a six-year deal with the Cavaliers worth $124.5 million.
But if you match up what James’ salary would be for the first five years in Cleveland and the five years in Miami, you find that the Cavaliers are only offering him $4 million more.
That advantage gets erased — and actually gives the Heat the monetary edge over — when you consider the income tax difference. With the help of Aaron Merchak of the Tax Foundation, a non-partisan tax research group based in Washington, D.C., we crunched the numbers.
Playing in Cleveland, LeBron would face a state income tax of 5.925 percent, plus a Cleveland city tax of two percent.
Over the first five years of a new contract with Cleveland, James would give back $3,953,060 combined to the state and city for the 41 games each season he’d play at home. But James would have to pay none of that for home games in Miami since Florida doesn’t have an income tax.
Athletes have to pay income taxes to states that they play in on the road, so the games he’ll play away from home — whether he played for Cleveland or Miami — are essentially a wash.
But there are, on average, 11 away games per season where James would have to pay Ohio and Cleveland taxes. Why? Because he has to pay when he plays in the six areas – Florida, Texas, Washington D.C., Illinois, Toronto and Tennessee – that have no jock taxes.
That’s another $1,061,128 he’ll have to pay in taxes that he wouldn’t have to pay in Miami.
Sure, James would be guaranteed one more year if he signed with Cleveland, but unless the business of basketball supremely changes, you have to believe James will be worth as much at the end of the 2014-15 season as he is now.
So if you match up the five years in Cleveland to five years in Miami, and include Florida’s tax advantage, LeBron would actually make $1,014,188 over five years with the Heat than he would with the Cavaliers.
Of course, he might need that. Odds of getting rid of his estate in Akron at the price he built for are slim.
<< <i>I expect that circus in Miami to run through the East next year and then get beat by the Lakers in the championship. >>
If they keep adding solid role players like Mike Miller for a reduced salary, I am not sure anyone will be able to beat this team. How Miami is able to sign a player like Mike Miller while adding Bosh, LeBron and reuping with Wade is beyond me.
<< <i>I expect that circus in Miami to run through the East next year and then get beat by the Lakers in the championship. >>
If they keep adding solid role players like Mike Miller for a reduced salary, I am not sure anyone will be able to beat this team. How Miami is able to sign a player like Mike Miller while adding Bosh, LeBron and reuping with Wade is beyond me. >>
he wants to be a part of the circus at a reduced salary. I expect a few solid vets to make this same choice at the chance at a championship. Pat Riley knows what he's doing.
she thinks he changed his mind sitting on that chair!
highly unlikely. This "plan" was hatched out in Beijing two years ago
and if the move was about winning multiple championships he would have signed with the Bulls where he'd be with a much deeper team, and a better fit for his game. This is about running with his boys(Wade and Bosh) with an opportunity to win.
Hulk is the man, no matter what side he's on, LOLO..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>she thinks he changed his mind sitting on that chair!
highly unlikely. This "plan" was hatched out in Beijing two years ago
and if the move was about winning multiple championships he would have signed with the Bulls where he'd be with a much deeper team, and a better fit for his game. This is about running with his boys(Wade and Bosh) with an opportunity to win. >>
Agreed. Rose, Boozer, and Noah is a better supporting case than Wade, Bosh (maybe the most overrated player in N.American sport over the past five years) and nine D-Leaguers.
This could not have been handled any worse. Lebron should fire his PR staff, and consider firing his agent. He probably thought this was the best way to let the other teams down gently, but, if fact, the exact opposite happended -- it was a public stabbing in the back to all the other teams, and a huge middle finger to Cleveland.
Cleveland would have been much more understanding if they met with them in private to inform them of his decision in advance, he owed them that much. Then inform the other suitors in advance, personally by telephone, and then Miami. And then a no-nonsense press release for the public announcement.
Shaq did not have a three-ring circus when he left Orlando for LA. And I don't recall Shaq being labeled a villian like LeJerk is now.
Well LeBron keeps crediting his crack-whore of a mother for helping him make his decision, so I blame her too. She IS a crack-whore by the way... literally... just sayin'.
Losing Lebron as a player really sucks...and yes, I am disappointed that he is no longer a Cav. What really bothers me though is the way he did it...and also his seemingly indifferent attititude about leaving Cleveland. I have tortured myself by watching all the media reports and I just havn't heard him state any real appreciation for the Cleveland fan. Lebron was truly loved by the Cleveland fan. He was our hometown hero....one that a Father like myself encouraged his young son to watch, cheer for, and appreciate. Championships or not, Lebron was immortalized already in Cleveland. All games were sold out, Lebron jerseys all over the place. Even the media was kid gloves with him...he really could do little wrong here. I can't imagine a fan base rallying behind or doing anything more for an athlete....yet the best he can do is utter a few words in an hour interview that barely even mentioned Cleveland.....for that I will never be able to view him in the same light. Christ, Cliff Lee in his departure interview from Seattle (after being there for what a few months?) said more nice things about Seattle fans than Lebron could muster about Cleveland fans. Even Chris Bosh spoke very well of Toronto fans...yet Lebron could barely find the words to speak of the Cleveland fan.
The Man in my avatar is one of the last true hometown heroes.
Joe Mauer is another one... I have high hopes for him, and I'm becoming a bigger fan of his by the day.
With LeBron, there is nothing left to do but watch him FAIL in Miami... he'll get arrested for doing something stupid, and they will never win a championship. He's toast...
<< <i>First off, I feel for the people in Cleveland. I can understand the frustration since the Cavaliers won't be any good next year and business will suffer around the arena. I have no skin in this game because I'm no fan of either the Cavs or the Heat.
That said, all these insults around Lebron being narcissistic, cowardly, focused on money, etc, are a little misplaced IMHO.
First off, Lebron's primary motive for leaving was not about money. He left a lot of money on the table to go to Miami and Cleveland could offer him the most in salary. In many, many interviews he's stated that his top priority is winning a championship but that he hoped Cleveland would go get the right players. For most of those 7 years, he had virtually no supporting cast. He gave 7 years to Cleveland playing his guts out. You could tell he loved Cleveland and that this was a hard decision for him to make. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for a guy that has to choose between $x million and $y million, but still...
It seems to me that he felt that Cleveland ownership was not committed enough to winning, so he teamed up with D-wade and Bosh in Miami because he felt like that gave him the best shot. Why is that such an outrageous decision? It seems consistent with all his earlier statements about winning a championship being is primary motivation. The Cavs knew there was a chance they would lose him. How could you not? Everyone and their dog was courting him. They should have been courting and signing other free agents as well as a contingency plan. Why wouldn't you when you know if he leaves, you're screwed if you don't pick up some other free agents?
Furthermore, all the proceeds from ad sales on that 1 hour special were donated to Boys and Girls Club. So while he has a large ego like every other basketball player, I actually found it refreshing that a lot of money associated with that hype went to charity.
Other than the frustration of losing a great player, I guess I'm a little puzzled why Cleveland fans all of the sudden have so much hate for the guy that carried this team for so many years. >>
Word in today's Cleveland Plain Dealer is LEMONEY didn't leave as much money on the table as one would think....the cavs from what I understand have agreed...for LEMONEY it's GREED to pay more before he goes to MONEYIAMI.....in return the Cavs are going to get draft choices....I may not understand this completely but it appears he will be getting more money in return for helping his former, not awful team with draft choices.....they now join the Indians and Browns as teams I'll root for but who are at the present time NOT SO GOOD.....
As for the Cleveland fans being in an uproar, and I am one of those fans, it is not so much he is leaving but the way he did it. On national tv, not showing a bit of feeling toward Cleveland, which by the way I don't think he really has ever said he liked...you all know his home town is and will always be AKRON, not Cleveland. It would have been far better if he would have just Modell'ed the city and moved on over night without advance notice......
By the way The Browns leaving will still be the number 1 most despised moment in cleveland history....eventually the furor over LeBron leaving will subside much like it did when Thome left, when Manny left, when Albert Belle left, when CC left...I think you get the picture....but Cleveland fans never will forget what Modell did....
<< <i>Shaq did not have a three-ring circus when he left Orlando for LA. And I don't recall Shaq being labeled a villian like LeJerk is now.
Not nationally, but most of Orlando still hates him. >>
Imagine how much Orlando will hate him when he signs for the minimum in Miami! LOL
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>First off, I feel for the people in Cleveland. I can understand the frustration since the Cavaliers won't be any good next year and business will suffer around the arena. I have no skin in this game because I'm no fan of either the Cavs or the Heat.
That said, all these insults around Lebron being narcissistic, cowardly, focused on money, etc, are a little misplaced IMHO.
First off, Lebron's primary motive for leaving was not about money. He left a lot of money on the table to go to Miami and Cleveland could offer him the most in salary. In many, many interviews he's stated that his top priority is winning a championship but that he hoped Cleveland would go get the right players. For most of those 7 years, he had virtually no supporting cast. He gave 7 years to Cleveland playing his guts out. You could tell he loved Cleveland and that this was a hard decision for him to make. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for a guy that has to choose between $x million and $y million, but still...
It seems to me that he felt that Cleveland ownership was not committed enough to winning, so he teamed up with D-wade and Bosh in Miami because he felt like that gave him the best shot. Why is that such an outrageous decision? It seems consistent with all his earlier statements about winning a championship being is primary motivation. The Cavs knew there was a chance they would lose him. How could you not? Everyone and their dog was courting him. They should have been courting and signing other free agents as well as a contingency plan. Why wouldn't you when you know if he leaves, you're screwed if you don't pick up some other free agents?
Furthermore, all the proceeds from ad sales on that 1 hour special were donated to Boys and Girls Club. So while he has a large ego like every other basketball player, I actually found it refreshing that a lot of money associated with that hype went to charity.
Other than the frustration of losing a great player, I guess I'm a little puzzled why Cleveland fans all of the sudden have so much hate for the guy that carried this team for so many years. >>
Word in today's Cleveland Plain Dealer is LEMONEY didn't leave as much money on the table as one would think....the cavs from what I understand have agreed...for LEMONEY it's GREED to pay more before he goes to MONEYIAMI.....in return the Cavs are going to get draft choices....I may not understand this completely but it appears he will be getting more money in return for helping his former, not awful team with draft choices.....they now join the Indians and Browns as teams I'll root for but who are at the present time NOT SO GOOD.....
As for the Cleveland fans being in an uproar, and I am one of those fans, it is not so much he is leaving but the way he did it. On national tv, not showing a bit of feeling toward Cleveland, which by the way I don't think he really has ever said he liked...you all know his home town is and will always be AKRON, not Cleveland. It would have been far better if he would have just Modell'ed the city and moved on over night without advance notice......
By the way The Browns leaving will still be the number 1 most despised moment in cleveland history....eventually the furor over LeBron leaving will subside much like it did when Thome left, when Manny left, when Albert Belle left, when CC left...I think you get the picture....but Cleveland fans never will forget what Modell did.... >>
------------------------------------------------
Hey AL- Do you think Thome, Manny, Albert etc etc come even close to Lebron leaving?
Also, this is a great example why i love high school sports!
No Ryan, Lebron is bigger because he was from nearby....and I agree give me the high school sports anyday!!!! Can't wait for Valley Forge to take care of Parma this year.....looks like my son will be on varsity and get minutes which is awesome....he won't be starting but that's because he'll have a senior ahead of him...next year I think he'll be the starter....
The one after the Giants upset the Pats in the SB was the all-time best version, though.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The local Cleveland news reported that Z contacted Miami and will play for the minimum. Not sure if they would want him....but damn...they better not take another local favorite!
Comments
<< <i>james is an immature person with a huge ego. >>
I read an interesting article recently about how his huge ego is also a fragile one... and he may have difficulty dealing with the fallout from the spectacle he was going to make. From reading this thread it looks like he will truly get a lot of 'heat' in his near future.
He owes them absolutely nothing. Sure it sucks for them, but that's life. It happens everyday in real life America. Someone does a great job for a company and develops their skills and then another company offering more pay, better work conditions, or more perks lures them away. It's capitalism at it's finest. I'm surprised the government hasn't tried to put a halt on him leaving or instituted a "socialist" clause for the league.
<< <i>Nobody knew ANYTHING until the came out of that horse's mouth... I don't care what anyone else says. >>
My wife, who cares nothing at all about basketball, but who can read a person's facial expression better than anyone else I have ever met was watching with press conference with me. She agrees with you Jeff...she thinks he changed his mind sitting on that chair!
<< <i>Also, let's see how long the Miami Police Department will put up with LeBron's Mom's foolishness in THEIR neighborhood... she's been pulled over for DUI(s) and spotted in known crack house areas, and has always been let go and cops looked the other way. They won't do that in Miami. >>
Maybe Delonte West can move down and help keep an eye on her.
Hey Big Spender...
That said, all these insults around Lebron being narcissistic, cowardly, focused on money, etc, are a little misplaced IMHO.
First off, Lebron's primary motive for leaving was not about money. He left a lot of money on the table to go to Miami and Cleveland could offer him the most in salary. In many, many interviews he's stated that his top priority is winning a championship but that he hoped Cleveland would go get the right players. For most of those 7 years, he had virtually no supporting cast. He gave 7 years to Cleveland playing his guts out. You could tell he loved Cleveland and that this was a hard decision for him to make. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for a guy that has to choose between $x million and $y million, but still...
It seems to me that he felt that Cleveland ownership was not committed enough to winning, so he teamed up with D-wade and Bosh in Miami because he felt like that gave him the best shot. Why is that such an outrageous decision? It seems consistent with all his earlier statements about winning a championship being is primary motivation. The Cavs knew there was a chance they would lose him. How could you not? Everyone and their dog was courting him. They should have been courting and signing other free agents as well as a contingency plan. Why wouldn't you when you know if he leaves, you're screwed if you don't pick up some other free agents?
Furthermore, all the proceeds from ad sales on that 1 hour special were donated to Boys and Girls Club. So while he has a large ego like every other basketball player, I actually found it refreshing that a lot of money associated with that hype went to charity.
Other than the frustration of losing a great player, I guess I'm a little puzzled why Cleveland fans all of the sudden have so much hate for the guy that carried this team for so many years.
Steve
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
If it were all about HIM, staying in Cleveland would have been a better choice. He wouldn't have to share the spotlight with anybody else and if he did win a championship there, he would have a chance to be considered the greatest to ever play the game. In Miami, he will be sharing the limelight with two other stars. His stats will likely diminish as will his legacy. But, his chances of winning championships just went way up, and assuming that is his primary goal, I can see the logic of that decision.
<< <i>
<< <i>I live in Orlando and have lived here my whole life. I have watched The Magic since 1989. This on one hand is good becuase we play The Heat alot, on the other hand this blows!! They are going to be very tough but only time will tell how three ego's of that magnitude will play together. >>
I agree completely! I haven't been around since 89, but more likely '99 (back when Darrell Armstrong was THE MAN haha) and I feel similarly. I look at it as though the way free agency is going the East is going to be tough no matter where Lebron went so it's not a huge deal. Chicago, Orlando, Miami, and Boston will all be VERY GOOD teams, squads like Atlanta and Charlotte keep getting better each year, and the Wizards have #1 pick John Wall to build around. the Southeast will be interesting!
Look at it this way...maybe tickets in the new arena will be a little cheaper on the second hand market now that many people will jump over to being Heat fans?
I have been down the road in Daytona Bch. since 89 as well,with the new arena and high expactions again,Miami
will be the best series in the east,Miami has nobody to stop Howard
season tixs!
Needs'
1972 Football-9's high#'s
1965 Football-8's
1958 Topps FB-7-8
<< <i>The talk about "leaving money on the table" isn't entirely right. Because he didn't do a sign and trade, he lost one year of max money on this contract but my understanding is that with less taxes in Florida, he actually made more by playing there than in Cleveland. Where it could come into play is if he gets hurt and doesn't sign a new deal but assuming that he does, he'll be right back on track. >>
Technically, for the first five years, comparing Miami and Cleveland annual salaries (net of taxes) you are correct (see CNBC article below); however, Cleveland would have given him a sixth year at max money for a larger overall pay package (obviously). Like you mention, if he were to get hurt or see a decline in his playing ability, that sixth year could turn out to be very valuable and in the end make the Cleveland monetary package much more valuable. That sixth year is a nice insurance policy for sure.
Even looking at the five years, the net (of taxes) difference is +1M in favor of Miami. I'm fairly certain that this was NOT anywhere near the primary reason Lebron chose Miami. 1M to him is chump change. He wants rings, just like all the NBA greats.
--------------------------------------------------------------
LeBron Can Make More With Heat Than Cavs
By: Darren Rovell
CNBC Sports Business Reporter
Let’s assume that reports are accurate and that LeBron James is headed to Miami.
As with every other team but his current team Cleveland, the Heat can offer James a five-year deal worth $95.5 million versus a six-year deal with the Cavaliers worth $124.5 million.
But if you match up what James’ salary would be for the first five years in Cleveland and the five years in Miami, you find that the Cavaliers are only offering him $4 million more.
That advantage gets erased — and actually gives the Heat the monetary edge over — when you consider the income tax difference. With the help of Aaron Merchak of the Tax Foundation, a non-partisan tax research group based in Washington, D.C., we crunched the numbers.
Playing in Cleveland, LeBron would face a state income tax of 5.925 percent, plus a Cleveland city tax of two percent.
Over the first five years of a new contract with Cleveland, James would give back $3,953,060 combined to the state and city for the 41 games each season he’d play at home. But James would have to pay none of that for home games in Miami since Florida doesn’t have an income tax.
Athletes have to pay income taxes to states that they play in on the road, so the games he’ll play away from home — whether he played for Cleveland or Miami — are essentially a wash.
But there are, on average, 11 away games per season where James would have to pay Ohio and Cleveland taxes. Why? Because he has to pay when he plays in the six areas – Florida, Texas, Washington D.C., Illinois, Toronto and Tennessee – that have no jock taxes.
That’s another $1,061,128 he’ll have to pay in taxes that he wouldn’t have to pay in Miami.
Sure, James would be guaranteed one more year if he signed with Cleveland, but unless the business of basketball supremely changes, you have to believe James will be worth as much at the end of the 2014-15 season as he is now.
So if you match up the five years in Cleveland to five years in Miami, and include Florida’s tax advantage, LeBron would actually make $1,014,188 over five years with the Heat than he would with the Cavaliers.
Of course, he might need that. Odds of getting rid of his estate in Akron at the price he built for are slim.
<< <i>I expect that circus in Miami to run through the East next year and then get beat by the Lakers in the championship. >>
If they keep adding solid role players like Mike Miller for a reduced salary, I am not sure anyone will be able to beat this team. How Miami is able to sign a player like Mike Miller while adding Bosh, LeBron and reuping with Wade is beyond me.
<< <i>
<< <i>I expect that circus in Miami to run through the East next year and then get beat by the Lakers in the championship. >>
If they keep adding solid role players like Mike Miller for a reduced salary, I am not sure anyone will be able to beat this team. How Miami is able to sign a player like Mike Miller while adding Bosh, LeBron and reuping with Wade is beyond me. >>
he wants to be a part of the circus at a reduced salary. I expect a few solid vets to make this same choice at the chance at a championship. Pat Riley knows what he's doing.
highly unlikely. This "plan" was hatched out in Beijing two years ago
and if the move was about winning multiple championships he would have signed with the Bulls where he'd be with a much deeper team, and a better fit for his game. This is about running with his boys(Wade and Bosh) with an opportunity to win.
starting at the 2:30 mark... lmfao
looking for low grade t205's psa 1-2
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>she thinks he changed his mind sitting on that chair!
highly unlikely. This "plan" was hatched out in Beijing two years ago
and if the move was about winning multiple championships he would have signed with the Bulls where he'd be with a much deeper team, and a better fit for his game. This is about running with his boys(Wade and Bosh) with an opportunity to win. >>
Agreed. Rose, Boozer, and Noah is a better supporting case than Wade, Bosh (maybe the most overrated player in N.American sport over the past five years) and nine D-Leaguers.
Cleveland would have been much more understanding if they met with them in private to inform them of his decision in advance, he owed them that much. Then inform the other suitors in advance, personally by telephone, and then Miami. And then a no-nonsense press release for the public announcement.
Shaq did not have a three-ring circus when he left Orlando for LA. And I don't recall Shaq being labeled a villian like LeJerk is now.
<< <i>
Shaq did not have a three-ring circus when he left Orlando for LA. And I don't recall Shaq being labeled a villian like LeJerk is now. >>
Not nationally, but most of Orlando still hates him.
View Vintage Football Cards For Sale
Joe Mauer is another one... I have high hopes for him, and I'm becoming a bigger fan of his by the day.
With LeBron, there is nothing left to do but watch him FAIL in Miami... he'll get arrested for doing something stupid, and they will never win a championship. He's toast...
<< <i>First off, I feel for the people in Cleveland. I can understand the frustration since the Cavaliers won't be any good next year and business will suffer around the arena. I have no skin in this game because I'm no fan of either the Cavs or the Heat.
That said, all these insults around Lebron being narcissistic, cowardly, focused on money, etc, are a little misplaced IMHO.
First off, Lebron's primary motive for leaving was not about money. He left a lot of money on the table to go to Miami and Cleveland could offer him the most in salary. In many, many interviews he's stated that his top priority is winning a championship but that he hoped Cleveland would go get the right players. For most of those 7 years, he had virtually no supporting cast. He gave 7 years to Cleveland playing his guts out. You could tell he loved Cleveland and that this was a hard decision for him to make. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for a guy that has to choose between $x million and $y million, but still...
It seems to me that he felt that Cleveland ownership was not committed enough to winning, so he teamed up with D-wade and Bosh in Miami because he felt like that gave him the best shot. Why is that such an outrageous decision? It seems consistent with all his earlier statements about winning a championship being is primary motivation. The Cavs knew there was a chance they would lose him. How could you not? Everyone and their dog was courting him. They should have been courting and signing other free agents as well as a contingency plan. Why wouldn't you when you know if he leaves, you're screwed if you don't pick up some other free agents?
Furthermore, all the proceeds from ad sales on that 1 hour special were donated to Boys and Girls Club. So while he has a large ego like every other basketball player, I actually found it refreshing that a lot of money associated with that hype went to charity.
Other than the frustration of losing a great player, I guess I'm a little puzzled why Cleveland fans all of the sudden have so much hate for the guy that carried this team for so many years. >>
Word in today's Cleveland Plain Dealer is LEMONEY didn't leave as much money on the table as one would think....the cavs from what I understand have agreed...for LEMONEY it's GREED to pay more before he goes to MONEYIAMI.....in return the Cavs are going to get draft choices....I may not understand this completely but it appears he will be getting more money in return for helping his former, not awful team with draft choices.....they now join the Indians and Browns as teams I'll root for but who are at the present time NOT SO GOOD.....
As for the Cleveland fans being in an uproar, and I am one of those fans, it is not so much he is leaving but the way he did it. On national tv, not showing a bit of feeling toward Cleveland, which by the way I don't think he really has ever said he liked...you all know his home town is and will always be AKRON, not Cleveland. It would have been far better if he would have just Modell'ed the city and moved on over night without advance notice......
By the way The Browns leaving will still be the number 1 most despised moment in cleveland history....eventually the furor over LeBron leaving will subside much like it did when Thome left, when Manny left, when Albert Belle left, when CC left...I think you get the picture....but Cleveland fans never will forget what Modell did....
<< <i>Shaq did not have a three-ring circus when he left Orlando for LA. And I don't recall Shaq being labeled a villian like LeJerk is now.
Not nationally, but most of Orlando still hates him. >>
Imagine how much Orlando will hate him when he signs for the minimum in Miami! LOL
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>
<< <i>First off, I feel for the people in Cleveland. I can understand the frustration since the Cavaliers won't be any good next year and business will suffer around the arena. I have no skin in this game because I'm no fan of either the Cavs or the Heat.
That said, all these insults around Lebron being narcissistic, cowardly, focused on money, etc, are a little misplaced IMHO.
First off, Lebron's primary motive for leaving was not about money. He left a lot of money on the table to go to Miami and Cleveland could offer him the most in salary. In many, many interviews he's stated that his top priority is winning a championship but that he hoped Cleveland would go get the right players. For most of those 7 years, he had virtually no supporting cast. He gave 7 years to Cleveland playing his guts out. You could tell he loved Cleveland and that this was a hard decision for him to make. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for a guy that has to choose between $x million and $y million, but still...
It seems to me that he felt that Cleveland ownership was not committed enough to winning, so he teamed up with D-wade and Bosh in Miami because he felt like that gave him the best shot. Why is that such an outrageous decision? It seems consistent with all his earlier statements about winning a championship being is primary motivation. The Cavs knew there was a chance they would lose him. How could you not? Everyone and their dog was courting him. They should have been courting and signing other free agents as well as a contingency plan. Why wouldn't you when you know if he leaves, you're screwed if you don't pick up some other free agents?
Furthermore, all the proceeds from ad sales on that 1 hour special were donated to Boys and Girls Club. So while he has a large ego like every other basketball player, I actually found it refreshing that a lot of money associated with that hype went to charity.
Other than the frustration of losing a great player, I guess I'm a little puzzled why Cleveland fans all of the sudden have so much hate for the guy that carried this team for so many years. >>
Word in today's Cleveland Plain Dealer is LEMONEY didn't leave as much money on the table as one would think....the cavs from what I understand have agreed...for LEMONEY it's GREED to pay more before he goes to MONEYIAMI.....in return the Cavs are going to get draft choices....I may not understand this completely but it appears he will be getting more money in return for helping his former, not awful team with draft choices.....they now join the Indians and Browns as teams I'll root for but who are at the present time NOT SO GOOD.....
As for the Cleveland fans being in an uproar, and I am one of those fans, it is not so much he is leaving but the way he did it. On national tv, not showing a bit of feeling toward Cleveland, which by the way I don't think he really has ever said he liked...you all know his home town is and will always be AKRON, not Cleveland. It would have been far better if he would have just Modell'ed the city and moved on over night without advance notice......
By the way The Browns leaving will still be the number 1 most despised moment in cleveland history....eventually the furor over LeBron leaving will subside much like it did when Thome left, when Manny left, when Albert Belle left, when CC left...I think you get the picture....but Cleveland fans never will forget what Modell did.... >>
------------------------------------------------
Hey AL-
Do you think Thome, Manny, Albert etc etc come even close to Lebron leaving?
Also, this is a great example why i love high school sports!
View Vintage Football Cards For Sale
al.
<< <i> Can't wait for Valley Forge to take care of Parma this year... >>
-----------------------------------------
Since it hasn't happened in such a long time......this just might be their year
View Vintage Football Cards For Sale
The one after the Giants upset the Pats in the SB was the all-time best version, though.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
View Vintage Football Cards For Sale