Ron Zook says that the SEC is better than the Big 10
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Ron Zook, the Illinois football coach says that the SEC is better than the Big 10. Well, who would disagree?
I certainly wouldn't but he is coming under a lot of criticism for saying it because he is a big 10 coach after all
and that does make it a bit ackward. Probably all of the big 10 coaches would agree in private I think.
I certainly wouldn't but he is coming under a lot of criticism for saying it because he is a big 10 coach after all
and that does make it a bit ackward. Probably all of the big 10 coaches would agree in private I think.
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Why not have real fun with the topic?
Have the debate teams from the Big Ten and SEC settle the score- It just might make more sense than listening to Zook and other coaches that just may be better off to remain silent on the issue
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Penn state and USC have the best records in bowl games.
If the debate teams were to settle this I think I know who would be favored to win.
However, in terms of football I think the SEC is a little ahead of the Big Ten. The Big Ten isn't that far off but I think the SEC is the top with the Big Ten and Big 12 tied for the second. The Pac 10 is not too far behind them. This all based on last year's performances and solely my uneducated opinion.
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Zook survived only because Illinois beat Michigan last year. I know that several will correctly say that UM had a year that that rarely transpires at Ann Arbor.
While my comment about the Debate Teams may not have set the desired result- in too many ways to list- I think this will:
We have seen the Big Ten- ACC basketball challenge- Now it is time for the The Big Ten- SEC Football challenge. There are 12 games- this can be done- no excuses- and frankly I don't what to hear the excuses as to why it already has not happened. GET TO WORK AND DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE FOR ONCE.
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<< <i>People already complain that Alabama and Florida have weak out of conference schedules. Now you want them to schedule a Big Ten game? >>
Alabama and Florida deserve to have weak out of conference schedules since many other large programs (I'm gonna keep it classy and not name names) play weak in-conference schedules every year. And Alabama is playing Penn State this year ...hey, thats a start, right? Then they'll get to follow that cupcake with LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, then either Florida again or Georgia in the SEC championship game. Its a gauntlet that no other conference can provide (right now). Plus, 6 teams that play Alabama this year are taking the week off before the game.
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<< <i>Did anyone see the Northwestern-Auburn game? While everyone immediately dismissed NU- that game was probably one of the better Bowl games >>
For sure. I think that was the #1 bowl game of '09/'10 season IMO. NU is quite scrappy and I was impressed by their "heart" they displayed. But, alot of people outside of the SEC don't realize that the past 2 years have been the 2 worst Auburn teams of the past 25 years. Tubberville left the cupboard dry for Chizek and '08 and '09 were just plain bad teams on the plains. Not to take anything away from NU though.
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<< <i>Did anyone see the Northwestern-Auburn game? While everyone immediately dismissed NU- that game was probably one of the better Bowl games >>
For sure. I think that was the #1 bowl game of '09/'10 season IMO. NU is quite scrappy and I was impressed by their "heart" they displayed. But, alot of people outside of the SEC don't realize that the past 2 years have been the 2 worst Auburn teams of the past 25 years. >>
Northwestern werent exactly world-beaters either so i thought it was a fair match-up. Penn state beat LSA and we will never know but, but i think Boise state wouldve beaten alabama.
<< <i>I was being very tongue in cheek. I think that outside of the Big Ten's top 2-3 teams, virtually any team from the SEC would beat them on a regular basis. That includes teams like Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and South Carolina. These teams get clobbered in SEC competition, but would feast on the bottom half of the Big Ten. Look back just three years ago. LSU took two losses in 2007 to Kentucky and Arkansas (and nearly lost to Florida). In 2006, Florida wasn't able to get through the entire SEC schedule unbeaten. They lost to Auburn and had a number of other close calls. But when they got the chance to play #1 Ohio State, both teams delivered poundings. Last year Florida got their butts handed to them by Alabama in the SEC Championship Game. Did you see what they did to unbeaten Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl? I would LOVE to see a Big Ten - SEC matchup. Heck, just go by the standings of the previous year. 1) Alabama - Ohio State (well, that could get ugly fast) 2) Florida - Iowa (could be even worse) 3) LSU - Penn State (probably a toss up) 4) Ole Miss - Wisconsin (another close one) 5) Tennessee - Northwestern (Vols would take it) 6) Georgia - Michigan State (Dawgs would dominate) 7)Arkansas - Purdue (bad matchup for the Boilers) 8) Auburn - Minnesota (blowout for the Tigers) 9) South Carolina - Illinois (ugly win for USC) 10) Kentucky - Michigan (probably an even game - advantage to whoever gets the home game) 11) Mississippi State - Indiana (Bulldogs take it) 12) Vanderbilt - Nebraska? (OK - we'll give this one to the Huskers). >>
Nice laugh there. The big ten would get their share of wins trust me. Ohio state never does well against the sec, however but michigan has a good record against the sec. 3 years ago Michigan beat florida with tebow and company. Lets not forget also the sec teams are basically warm weather teams. If all bowl games were held in cold weather, instead of hot the big ten teams would beat them most of the time.
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<< <i>If all bowl games were held in cold weather, instead of hot the big ten teams would beat them most of the time. >>
Whatever you are smoking, please share with the rest of the class.
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<< <i>If all bowl games were held in cold weather, instead of hot the big ten teams would beat them most of the time. >>
Whatever you are smoking, please share with the rest of the class. >>
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<< <i>If all bowl games were held in cold weather, instead of hot the big ten teams would beat them most of the time. >>
Whatever you are smoking, please share with the rest of the class. >>
says the smart guy who gave up his own child. >>
Classy individual you are.
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<< <i>Did anyone see the Northwestern-Auburn game? While everyone immediately dismissed NU- that game was probably one of the better Bowl games >>
For sure. I think that was the #1 bowl game of '09/'10 season IMO. NU is quite scrappy and I was impressed by their "heart" they displayed. But, alot of people outside of the SEC don't realize that the past 2 years have been the 2 worst Auburn teams of the past 25 years. >>
Northwestern werent exactly world-beaters either so i thought it was a fair match-up. Penn state beat LSA and we will never know but, but i think Boise state wouldve beaten alabama. >>
I heard the same hype about Boise when Jared Zbransky was a pre-season heisman watchlist guy in '05. I was at the Boise/UGA game in Athens and if I remember correctly Zbransky threw 3 or 4 picks in the first half and got benched. Dawgs won 48-13 and the game wasn't as close as that score indicated. Granted, in '08 Boise went into Oregon and won a great game. I give them credit for scheduling a nice game like that. Kudos. But don't let a win over Oregon fool you into thinking that Boise would have kept it close against Alabama. That Alabama team may have had the best defense I've seen in the last decade and there isn't a team in the county that would have made that game any closer than Texas did.
-Michae
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<< <i>I was being very tongue in cheek. I think that outside of the Big Ten's top 2-3 teams, virtually any team from the SEC would beat them on a regular basis. That includes teams like Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and South Carolina. These teams get clobbered in SEC competition, but would feast on the bottom half of the Big Ten. Look back just three years ago. LSU took two losses in 2007 to Kentucky and Arkansas (and nearly lost to Florida). In 2006, Florida wasn't able to get through the entire SEC schedule unbeaten. They lost to Auburn and had a number of other close calls. But when they got the chance to play #1 Ohio State, both teams delivered poundings. Last year Florida got their butts handed to them by Alabama in the SEC Championship Game. Did you see what they did to unbeaten Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl? I would LOVE to see a Big Ten - SEC matchup. Heck, just go by the standings of the previous year. 1) Alabama - Ohio State (well, that could get ugly fast) 2) Florida - Iowa (could be even worse) 3) LSU - Penn State (probably a toss up) 4) Ole Miss - Wisconsin (another close one) 5) Tennessee - Northwestern (Vols would take it) 6) Georgia - Michigan State (Dawgs would dominate) 7)Arkansas - Purdue (bad matchup for the Boilers) 8) Auburn - Minnesota (blowout for the Tigers) 9) South Carolina - Illinois (ugly win for USC) 10) Kentucky - Michigan (probably an even game - advantage to whoever gets the home game) 11) Mississippi State - Indiana (Bulldogs take it) 12) Vanderbilt - Nebraska? (OK - we'll give this one to the Huskers). >>
Nice laugh there. The big ten would get their share of wins trust me. Ohio state never does well against the sec, however but michigan has a good record against the sec. 3 years ago Michigan beat florida with tebow and company. Lets not forget also the sec teams are basically warm weather teams. If all bowl games were held in cold weather, instead of hot the big ten teams would beat them most of the time. >>
The Michigan / Florida game you bring up is commonly cited on several Michigan / Big 10 sports blogs. Big 10 fans like to point to that game and say hey- we beat Tebow, we're great etc. etc.. Really, it just makes SEC fans think that some Big 10 fans only watch football in January. If you'd do a bit of research, you'd notice that the '07 Florida team had already lost 3 conference games......which is why they were playing in the Citrus Bowl.......against lowly Michigan. Tebow was also a sophmore in '07 in his 1st year as a starter. Not exactly the peak of his college career. Still, I realize that Big 10 guys like to point to the game as an example of their supremacy, so go ahead and indulge yourself.
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<< <i>Did anyone see the Northwestern-Auburn game? While everyone immediately dismissed NU- that game was probably one of the better Bowl games >>
For sure. I think that was the #1 bowl game of '09/'10 season IMO. NU is quite scrappy and I was impressed by their "heart" they displayed. But, alot of people outside of the SEC don't realize that the past 2 years have been the 2 worst Auburn teams of the past 25 years. >>
Northwestern werent exactly world-beaters either so i thought it was a fair match-up. Penn state beat LSA and we will never know but, but i think Boise state wouldve beaten alabama. >>
But don't let a win over Oregon fool you into thinking that Boise would have kept it close against Alabama.
-Michae >>
Better than that. They beat an undefeated team in their bowl game, just as alabama did and won all of their games. What else can you do until there is a playoff?
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<< <i>I was being very tongue in cheek. I think that outside of the Big Ten's top 2-3 teams, virtually any team from the SEC would beat them on a regular basis. That includes teams like Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and South Carolina. These teams get clobbered in SEC competition, but would feast on the bottom half of the Big Ten. Look back just three years ago. LSU took two losses in 2007 to Kentucky and Arkansas (and nearly lost to Florida). In 2006, Florida wasn't able to get through the entire SEC schedule unbeaten. They lost to Auburn and had a number of other close calls. But when they got the chance to play #1 Ohio State, both teams delivered poundings. Last year Florida got their butts handed to them by Alabama in the SEC Championship Game. Did you see what they did to unbeaten Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl? I would LOVE to see a Big Ten - SEC matchup. Heck, just go by the standings of the previous year. 1) Alabama - Ohio State (well, that could get ugly fast) 2) Florida - Iowa (could be even worse) 3) LSU - Penn State (probably a toss up) 4) Ole Miss - Wisconsin (another close one) 5) Tennessee - Northwestern (Vols would take it) 6) Georgia - Michigan State (Dawgs would dominate) 7)Arkansas - Purdue (bad matchup for the Boilers) 8) Auburn - Minnesota (blowout for the Tigers) 9) South Carolina - Illinois (ugly win for USC) 10) Kentucky - Michigan (probably an even game - advantage to whoever gets the home game) 11) Mississippi State - Indiana (Bulldogs take it) 12) Vanderbilt - Nebraska? (OK - we'll give this one to the Huskers). >>
Nice laugh there. The big ten would get their share of wins trust me. Ohio state never does well against the sec, however but michigan has a good record against the sec. 3 years ago Michigan beat florida with tebow and company. Lets not forget also the sec teams are basically warm weather teams. If all bowl games were held in cold weather, instead of hot the big ten teams would beat them most of the time. >>
The Michigan / Florida game you bring up is commonly cited on several Michigan / Big 10 sports blogs. Big 10 fans like to point to that game and say hey- we beat Tebow, we're great etc. etc.. Really, it just makes SEC fans think that some Big 10 fans only watch football in January. If you'd do a bit of research, you'd notice that the '07 Florida team had already lost 3 conference games......which is why they were playing in the Citrus Bowl.......against lowly Michigan. Tebow was also a sophmore in '07 in his 1st year as a starter. Not exactly the peak of his college career. Still, I realize that Big 10 guys like to point to the game as an example of their supremacy, so go ahead and indulge yourself. >>
Florida were the defending national champions and won it the year after. So they basically had the same team and same QB. Michigan werent that good and they still beat them.
Most agree that a playoff is needed, however your assumptions that if a team goes undefeated, that team is on equal footing to all other undefeated teams does not hold water.
No rational person who watched any college football last year has any doubt about who was the National Champion last year. Boise State would have been a 9-3 team if they played in the SEC last year.
I understand that some forum users will adopt a point of view and will stick to it no matter how far fetched it is. Some other users will make comments about other forum users which are pointly personal and display a total lack of class. Being in the first catagory is being opinionated, being in the latter is being a total d*&^weed.
You sir, have slipped into the latter catagory with your prior comments.
Joey
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I understand that some forum users will adopt a point of view and will stick to it no matter how far fetched it is. Some other users will make comments about other forum users which are pointly personal and display a total lack of class. Being in the first catagory is being opinionated, being in the latter is being a total d*&^weed.
You sir, have slipped into the latter catagory with your prior comments.
Joey >>
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<< <i>Black Label,
Most agree that a playoff is needed, however your assumptions that if a team goes undefeated, that team is on equal footing to all other undefeated teams does not hold water.
Tell that to the Boise state players and every other team that got robbed of a split national championship.
No rational person who watched any college football last year has any doubt about who was the National Champion last year. Boise State would have been a 9-3 team if they played in the SEC last year.
Prove it. And prove that Alabama wouldve beaten Oregon and texas christian. Just because an sec team goes undefeated in THEIR conference, does not mean they would in another. Often times certain superior teams do not match up well with others. Thats why we will never have a true champion until there is a playoff.
You sir, have slipped into the latter catagory with your prior comments.
Joey >>
aww, you going to go cry now
You could see how dominant the SEC is with the Florida/OSU and LSU/OSU games. It was no contest and OSU was the best team of the Big 10. The SEC is stronger and faster. USC would probably contend for the Big 10 crown every year but not in the SEC East where you are playing Floriday, Georgia and Tennessee every year.
Mark
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<< <i>aww, you going to go cry now
You make it perfectly clear that you're the cry baby blacklabel. Your ignorant blithering shows you need to grow a pair.
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