Is this legal on ebay?????

DIMEMAN

I was winning an auction at a low price, which was supposed to end around 7:00 in the morning.

The seller just ended it and relisted it for 9 days??


What's the deal?????

commoncents05

Legal, they can do anything they want.

-Paul

Wolf359

I've done the same. If a coin is going for a crappy price, end and re-list. Of course it's legal, the seller owns the coin until sold.

mrpotatoheadd

Likely a violation, but more info is needed. Do you have a link to the ended auction and the new one?

edited to add... it's possible to do something that's both legal and a violation of eBay policy.

DIMEMAN

So if it's not going as good as they want.....they can just pull it???!!!

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>So if it's not going as good as they want.....they can just pull it???!!! >>

They're not supposed to, but it's not all that different from a buyer deciding he bid too much and he's not paying- not much you can do about it.

Tdec1000

Maybe he made a mistake? what was the auction number?

DIMEMAN

Seems to me the seller shouldn't be able to do this.

IF he wants a certain price then start it there!!!

mrpotatoheadd

How about a link to the auctions?

DIMEMAN

Forget it................there's nothing I can do!

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>Forget it................there's nothing I can do! >>

Okay, but without a link, there's no way anybody can be sure if the seller has done anything wrong or not.

DIMEMAN

Someone already said it's legal.

Type2

Not right but they do it.

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>Someone already said it's legal. >>

What they said may not be true. But without further info, we'll never know.

DIMEMAN

I don't know how to link to things.

It was just ended and relisted. There's nothing to see.

pennyannie

While i agree that you should, "List it and leave it", i can also see a person selling a 2000 dollar coin thinking it is going to end up at 100 bucks due to some.....

Bochiman

Legal? Most likely, yes.
Ethical? No.
Unless the seller had a dang good reason (ie...a mistake), then it is morally poor.
They likely did it because they were scared that the price wouldn't be where they wanted/needed it.
They also don't "man up" to using a starting reserve or BIN at a price they are willing to accept (that's how I did some of mine awhile back where I knew that the market relied on the right eyes, at the right time, and I refused to take less than a certain amount...sure, I paid a little more in fees, but I factored that in as well).

If you are going to bid again, I understand not putting the link. If you aren't, then not putting the link is bad form, imho, since you brought the whole issue up.
By putting the link, you may find out that the seller is known for this, or that there are likely reasons, etc. It's a chance to tell others as well as to possibly learn for yourself.

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>I don't know how to link to things.

It was just ended and relisted. There's nothing to see. >>

Well, like Bochiman said- without seeing the listings, it's not possible to answer your original question:

Is this legal on ebay?????

okracer

<< <i>I don't know how to link to things.

It was just ended and relisted. There's nothing to see. >>



If you just post the new ebay item listing number, we can find it and trace back to the ended listing.

grote15

The seller owns the item and has the right to end the auction for whatever reason they deem fit...they are certainly not obligated to sell the coin to you at a bargain price unless the auction runs its course with you as the winner, which was not the case. No point in whining about it..

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>The seller owns the item and has the right to end the auction for whatever reason they deem fit... >>

That may well be, but ending an auction for some reasons can be an eBay policy violation.

DIMEMAN

The name of the seller is skettledork. Approriate(sp)

He has a 98% Positive feedback with 4 negs in last 12 months.

commoncents05

skittledork has been mentioned here before. They may even be a board members.

-Paul

okracer

<< <i>The name of the seller is skettledork. Approriate(sp)

. >>



That name doesn't show up on Ebay.

TWQG

When I see this, I never bid on the relisted item.

Bochiman

<< <i>

<< <i>The seller owns the item and has the right to end the auction for whatever reason they deem fit... >>

That may well be, but ending an auction for some reasons can be an eBay policy violation. >>




Exactly! If you are going to just sell a coin, then, I agree the seller can decide what is too little or what is enough money.
If the seller chooses to use a venue, such as ebay, they should man up and follow the guidelines/rules set out. It isn't that hard to set a reserve or start the price at what you want. Not doing so means you should let the auction run and not end/relist.
It's a poor seller (not in the $$$ but in the moral department) to start an auction, wimp out when a price isn't where they want it within a certain amount of time, and then pull the auction only to relist it.
Not a seller that is worth buying from as they already show 1 negative trait....who knows how many more they have that you may run into....

commoncents05

Link to previous thread.

BST Link. The seller is a board member.

-Paul

DIMEMAN

Sorry, I mispelled it.


skittledork

okracer

Was it this one?

Ebay link

DIMEMAN

That's the one.

grote15

I am not a advocate for ending auctions early, but ebay rules allow a seller to end an auction early as long as he is not doing so to circumvent ebay fees and sell the item off ebay. That is why there is a link to end the auction early with a number of different reasons to choose from, one of which is "the item is no longer available for sale." As a buyer, it is irritating to see an auction you are following end early, but not nearly as irritating as those auctions that run their course with artificial shill bidding to prop up the final price..

DIMEMAN

I have no problem with the seller wanting a certain price for a coin. After all he owns it.

Just start it out there or use the BIN option.

You shouldn't be able to just end an auction.

JMHO!!!

mrpotatoheadd

Reasons for ending a listing early- The fine print

"Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be a reserve price violation."

grote15

Reasons for ending a listing early- The fine print

"Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be a reserve price violation."

That would be pretty difficult to prove..since the seller can simply claim he changed his mind or that there was an error in the listing...but ebay doesn't care anyway, since the listing fees are non-refundable anyway. They certainly don't care about shill bidding which is a much more serious violations, so why would they care about an auction ending early?

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>That would be pretty difficult to prove.. >>

Sure would. Never claimed otherwise.

Of course, eBay has access to more past history info to work with than anyone here does, so you never know...

edited to add... in this thread, I've just been addressing the question asked in the title. Clearly, there are difficulties in accurately identifying the reason any auction was ended, but that is beyond the scope of the original question: "Is this legal on ebay?????"

grote15

< That would be pretty difficult to prove.. >>

Sure would. Never claimed otherwise.

Of course, eBay has access to more past history info to work with than anyone here does, so you never know...

I'd agree with that...and if a seller was chronically canceling his auctions early, I'm sure the odds would increase that some action would be taken.

DIMEMAN

He "changed his mind" because it was still way low with a few hours to go!

Boom

Had he ridden it out, if bidders had snipers set
it may have sold for what he hoped for.

Not a good thing to do (pull any item & re-list) but ....
it's "done" & within sellers' rights - if pulled before the
12 hour left to go mark - unless ebay policy has changed.

sinin1

I think most coin sellers realize that snipers will take the coin to decent price in last few seconds for decent material


the seller messed up the title which could not be changed after bids placed


they ended it with "best offer" which does not jive with auctions
but a carryover from their BIN/best offer of $350 auction

even more previous BIN


and when they changed it to action. they meant to say 'FREE SHIPPING', which they do now

Boom

<< the seller messed up the title which could not be changed after bids placed >>

Makes sense.

Bochiman

Seller was being slimy, imho.
Looking at his past history, the 4 negs he received were all for not delivering. Seller's excuse was "was ill, have Dr's note" and then starts with "F" and you can likely fill in the inferred profanity.

Of course, being "ill" would likely mean that the item would ship out late......not that the other items would be mailed to other winners and yours wasn't sent because he was "ill".
The seller damns himself with his own replies in the feedback.

Definitely NOT a seller I would deal with...on the board (as he was pointed out) nor on ebay, since his practices are not aboveboard.

TWQG

What is the link between this eBay seller and the forum member pointed out?

SoCalBigMark

Back in the good ol days feebay took reserve fee avoidance very seriously.

mbogoman

I have ended Ebay auctions (with bids) early several times in the past, but always because I had sold the item here on the BST. Never would I consider ending an auction just to avoid selling the item at too low of a price.

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>I have ended Ebay auctions (with bids) early several times in the past, but always because I had sold the item here on the BST. Never would I consider ending an auction just to avoid selling the item at too low of a price. >>



Well, as a seller, you don't OWE anyone a rip. The chitty part about eBay is that the best way/s [reserve or high start price] to protect your interest/s aren't the best way/s to sell there.

19Lyds

<< <i>I have no problem with the seller wanting a certain price for a coin. After all he owns it.

Just start it out there or use the BIN option.

You shouldn't be able to just end an auction.

JMHO!!! >>

Well, it's been relisted. Put your high bid in then email the seller letting him know what your max is. If the two of you agree, it'll be your's.

AUandAG

Sick seller. Gets sick and claims he can't complete the sale per his feedback as previously mentioned.
Does not believe in the auction process. Should just do reserve sales or BIN's.

bob

BigRick

It's legal as long as eBay lets him do it (i.e. not within 24 hours of end if bids on it???).

Ethical? Not really.

PerryHall

<< <i>Sick seller. Gets sick and claims he can't complete the sale per his feedback as previously mentioned. >>



Maybe someone should win a few of his auctions and then tell him that they are too sick to pay for them.

19Lyds

<< <i>It's legal as long as eBay lets him do it (i.e. not within 24 hours of end if bids on it???).

Ethical? Not really. >>

12 hours folks. 12 hours.

19Lyds

<< <i>

<< <i>Sick seller. Gets sick and claims he can't complete the sale per his feedback as previously mentioned. >>



Maybe someone should win a few of his auctions and then tell him that they are too sick to pay for them. >>

For a couple of weeks.