1953-S MS65FS Jefferson nickel.

leothelyon

Interested parties can view the sale of this coin on the first page of my website; fsjeffersonnickels.com or by clicking on the bottom link of this post.

Leo

clackamas

What auction?

leothelyon

<< <i>What auction? >>



PM sent.


Leo

wondercoin

"For beginners, at the MS65FS level, no coin has ever changed hands in the market before"

I bought a 1953-S Jefferson Nickel (PCGS-MS65FS) for JHF a number of years ago (so a coin obviously changed hands before). The coin is in his set and will be up for sale probably within the next 12 months when that entire collection gets auctioned off. I am not sure if it was the pop 1/0 coin - I will have to research that later. I have possession of the coin right now if anyone wants to compare it. So, there is the entire story on 1953-S Jeffs in PCGS-MS65FS ... both coins appear available for inspection. It would be great to compare them side by side.

Wondercoin

sinin1

this is getting exciting -


I can't wait for the JustHavingFun nickels to go to auction

please keep us posted as I need to start saving and deciding which of his top pops to bid on

and might even make a trek to the auction site to look at the MS68s


edit to see what the time limit leo mentioned on page 2

PCcoins

Do any of his Jefferson nickels posses nice toning?

BigDowgie

Hey there folks, let's get back to topic! If you want to talk about JHF's collection that isn't even up for sale nor doesn't post pictures of his coins, start another post!

Leon, post pictures of your killer 1953-S and dare JHF to post his. Need I say anything more as to who owns the #1 coin!

Dowgie

wondercoin

Dowgie: I addressed this inaccurate comment on the message boards (which I assume was innocent in nature):

"For beginners, at the MS65FS level, no coin has ever changed hands in the market before".

I am sure you have no problem with that being corrected?

Then, you mention that I should not discuss JHF's nickel set here any more (and I really have no problem with that), but then you suggest that Leo challenge me to post JHF's pic right here?

Which confuses me - have you seen the other 53-S in MS65FS to know which one is better?

Wondercoin

PCcoins

I've seen neither, but would love to see them both... here.

stephunter

Post'em please. Love to see them both.

wondercoin

Guys. The special Jeffs (and there are very many) will be photographed at the time the Jeff collection goes through Secure Plus. That should probably begin towads the end of this year after a few other projects are completed. I posted on this thread to address the specific comment concerning the market for 1953-S gem nickels. Had that comment not been made, I would have not commented at all. That said... I would happily show the 1953-S nickel to anyone who wanted to come out to CA to see it. Heck, I would even buy you lunch!

Wondercoin

leothelyon

<< <i>"For beginners, at the MS65FS level, no coin has ever changed hands in the market before"

I bought a 1953-S Jefferson Nickel (PCGS-MS65FS) for JHF a number of years ago (so a coin obviously changed hands before). The coin is in his set and will be up for sale probably within the next 12 months when that entire collection gets auctioned off. I am not sure if it was the pop 1/0 coin - I will have to research that later. I have possession of the coin right now if anyone wants to compare it. So, there is the entire story on 1953-S Jeffs in PCGS-MS65FS ... both coins appear available for inspection. It would be great to compare them side by side.

Wondercoin >>



Hi Mitch

I apologize, I didn't think your coin came about from an auction. I must have missed it. So the 22500 PCGS has listed in its price guide, that was the result of your coin selling at auction. I wonder who were the underbidders? Frank? Ray? Did everyone get a chance at owning your/JHF's coin? Certainly I would have heard about it.

For comparing your coins or JHF's coins to my collection? Of course, that would be impossible since I've been searching for coins under a totally different standard. And from what we have seen so far from the collections that have been auctioned over the years, you think that you/JHF have coins from that era that are any different? I certainly hope so because from what I have seen and heard so far, I haven't been too impressed. I would like to name names and let everyone who reads this thread to hear what other collectors have said, in their own words but that is not possible.

But here's a coin that will give you a better understanding about higher quality coins.
A 1946-S with the rare EDS strike and proof-like fields. But with the two nasty marks on the building and one below, it only grades MS65 by ANACS old standards. And by PCGS's standards, they would probably grade it lower without any regards to the rare EDS strike and proof-like fields. Now if the strike of JHF's and your MS66FS examples compares to mine, you guys have my greatest respect as a true collectors of Jefferson nickels. But I know your coin lacks the luster and strike to compare to my coin but you think it's a Super Quality Coin in all respects!! So again, there's no way we can compare our collections since we obviously collect them under different standards.






Leo

wondercoin

Leo: Thank you for the comments. I suspect you have a wonderful collection of Jeffs that took decades and decades to assemble. Let me address a few of the items you touched on:

1. JHF's 53-S came through a private treaty. Best I know as well, the coin had never been to auction before (or after that).

2. The genesis of JHF's Mint State Jeff nickel set dates back at least 3 decades and includes the "cherry-picking" of the sensational "Steve Pierce collection" (#1 in the 1999 PCGS paperback book registry before there was even a set registy on line and a set PCGS described essentially as unduplicatable), the "Registrycoin" collection (an amazing set I assisted Steve Heller with assembling that included coins I was "cherrying" back in the 1980's and achieved the #1 status tied with Steve Pierce at the time it was sold, etc., etc., etc. So, I hear your comment, but want to assure you that the JHF nickel collection is not one of the collections assembled in a couple of years with whatever PCGS coins appear at auction. In fact, if you recall, JHF did not even bid on the 1960-D FS nickel when it sold for near $35,000 at auction (the only coin needed to complete the entire 38-64 set in FS) because I knew the coin was not even close to a true FS. JHF bought it for less than $10,000 when it resold at auction the 2nd time around only to immediately hand it back to PCGS to remove it from the FS holder (which they did). So, we are in total agreement that not every coin in a holder deserves to be in a world class collection.

3. Back to your1953-S nickel ... I have seen just a couple of FS examples in grades MS64FS-MS65FS. This nickel is super tough as it is not only exceedingly difficult to locate in FS, but also comes weakly struck and is tough to locate in true gem MS65 grade. The combination of those (2) items - steps and grade - makes the coin very rare in MS65FS grade. You own a great coin and I wish you the very best in your sale of the coin. Leo... if you desire, send me PM and perhaps we can try to get together and compare some nickels face to face. I might be able to work a trip around where you are located if you can not get out to CA.

Wondercoin

sinin1

I apologize for derailing your thread with an earlier post, but have a question for you leothelyon->


I understand the concept of early die state, but have difficulties applying it to Jefferson nickels-


the late die states with severly eroded dies and 'bubbles' on the periphery are easily seen as LDS
the coins with die cracks are probably mid or late die state


How can you differentiate between EDS and well-struck (which frequently includes thicker/heavier planchets)?



PS, I admire your collection but do not see myself buying any 5 figure Jeffersons in the next few years.

leothelyon

<< <i>I apologize for derailing your thread with an earlier post, but have a question for you leothelyon->


I understand the concept of early die state, but have difficulties applying it to Jefferson nickels-


the late die states with severly eroded dies and 'bubbles' on the periphery are easily seen as LDS
the coins with die cracks are probably mid or late die state


How can you differentiate between EDS and well-struck (which frequently includes thicker/heavier planchets)?



PS, I admire your collection but do not see myself buying any 5 figure Jeffersons in the next few years. >>



Thanks. Anyone can find a lot of nice pictures of coins in the 2nd link. But for strike variants, I don't believe I could describe something that took some time to learn? But you're right about thicker/heavier planchets, they do seem to come with the territory.

Mitch

A get together would be nice but since I'm one of the 15 million out of work right now, it's something that won't happen anytime soon.
But having a few coins photographed so they can be posted on my website would be another way of bringing JHF's collection to light.
3 collections are represented there from 1938 to 1970 in the OPR section. But the pictures entered so far, end at 1949-S. I hope to add the other dates soon.


Leo

PCcoins

I see you have a picture of that '53-s on your website. The strike looks great and the steps look completely full. Although the picture isn't of the highest quality, the coin looks great!

clackamas

Fantastic coin!

leothelyon

You just couldn't leave it alone, could you?


Leo

PCcoins

What's wrong with posting the image here? you know there's a bunch of lazy coin weenies on this forum that wouldn't have taken the time to look it up.

leothelyon

One of the problems was the time limit a post can be edited. That had me worried that I would have posted something that I would have regretted later. Having no power over what's been posted with no-way to edited it has left me to delete the instructions to only give reference to my website where I have that power.....to make necessary corrections if needed.

Leo

BigDowgie

Now that's what I'm talking about! Awesome coin and in my opinion, the only one of it's kind! Oh yes, the steps are all there. I'd break this one out any day, resubmit and not worry about FS designation.

Great coin Leon.