Newbie with some questions

forthe4unofit

Hey everyone,

I've been trolling for the last week waiting on someone to approve my account! Now that I got my login information I can finally post!

I've recently purchase some sports memorabilia. I'm no slouch when it comes to doing the research to find out the products that I have and what kind of value I can estimate, but in this case I'm a little stumped.

I have a few items that I wanted to post to see if anyone had any knowledge of them and might have a good idea of what they're worth.

The first item is a Bill Lopa Giclee of Roger Clemens. This is a 30x36 sized picture that is signed by Clemens and the artist, Bill Lopa. It is invidually numbered 5/11. When I check the artists web site, it looks as though there were 3 editions of this Giclee, but I'm not sure which one I have and what it's possible resell value might be.

Here are some pictures:







The 2nd item is something that we all might be a little more familiar with, but still a big question remains:







When I lookup the tri-star info on this, it says that it's a limited edition of 304, and anything that I can find on the net says that they are LE of 304 as well, but why is mine numbered 2004/2004? I know for sure they didn't have another 20 player autographed edition of 2004, because I can't find it anywhere on the net!

If anyone can provide me some insight on these items, I would greatly appreciate it! I'm sure in the future I'll make some other posts about some other things I have (probably autographed baseballs), but these are the big questioned items right now!

Thanks for your time!

Tom

Brick

Hi, hello, how are ya?

Lots of Red Sox fans here. Perhaps they can help.
Perhaps they will want it.

JHS5120

Hi,
I hate to be a Debbie Downer but that Red Sox auto'd photo is throwin' up some flags for me, I spot a few things possibly wrong:
1. The cert. and the auto'd piece don't match up
2. It is numbered 2004/2004 which is nice but it is much more likely to be 1534/2004 or something random.
3. There aren't any others for sale - especially with a valuable piece and supposedly 2004 of the them this is a huge red flag.
4. The autos look a bit off. I am no expert and am not implying that I am but they just seem off especially Martinez.


These are the things that drew my attention. The piece could be authentic, I have absolutely no clue but this is what I see wrong.

You should call up Tristar and ask if they ever made a copy #d to 2004.
You should also check the sticker and make sure it doesn't look tampered.
Find some auto'd cards of some of the players and make sure the sigs match up.

Lastly, contact the guy who sold it to you and tell him that you are concerned with the authenticity.

Just my humble opinion

Jason

byronscott4ever

Any chance that they did plain photos /2004 and someone got it signed (either for real or not)?

forthe4unofit

<< <i>Hi,
I hate to be a Debbie Downer but that Red Sox auto'd photo is throwin' up some flags for me, I spot a few things possibly wrong:
1. The cert. and the auto'd piece don't match up
2. It is numbered 2004/2004 which is nice but it is much more likely to be 1534/2004 or something random.
3. There aren't any others for sale - especially with a valuable piece and supposedly 2004 of the them this is a huge red flag.
4. The autos look a bit off. I am no expert and am not implying that I am but they just seem off especially Martinez.


These are the things that drew my attention. The piece could be authentic, I have absolutely no clue but this is what I see wrong.

You should call up Tristar and ask if they ever made a copy #d to 2004.
You should also check the sticker and make sure it doesn't look tampered.
Find some auto'd cards of some of the players and make sure the sigs match up.

Lastly, contact the guy who sold it to you and tell him that you are concerned with the authenticity.

Just my humble opinion

Jason >>



I appreciate the feedback! I understand your suspicion and questions, which is part of the reason why I wanted to show it to this group. I feel like you guys know what you're talking about.

Check this out:



That is a stock photo that is displayed wherever it is for sale. Referencing google here: Google Link

I've looked at this stock photo and have done some heavy analysis. You can be the judge of the authenticity of the signatures in comparison. I feel as though they are legit, but I am not trying to look like I'm smoking something if it seems very obvious the other way.

You are right that the cert shows there were 21 sigs and I only have 20. But that stock photo only has 20 sigs as well.

There is a MLB authentication sticker on it as well: MT 00538354. It lists that there are 22 signatures on that one! I know this puts up some red flags, but without sounding ignorant, isn't it possible that some signatures were supposed to be on there that never happened? If you compare to the stock photo I linked to, there aren't 21 or 22 signatures on that either.

One other thing, in the stock photo, I know you'll se a PE for players edition. I don't know why, but they listed the PE photo as the stock photo. I believe the Players Edition was only a handful, like 10, but I'm not sure. In the description of the item for sale, you'll see it shows they are from a LE of 304.

Investigative work is fun.

divecchia

Hi and

Hope you enjoy it here...Donato

forthe4unofit

While anything is possible, I don't think that's the case. In all of my searching, I couldn't find this picture, this size for sale, unless it was selling retail and was the limited edition of this photo.

Thanks for the thought though. I'll keep my eyes peeled for something that would lead to that senario.

itzagoner

wait a sec, i'm kinda naive about this.....izzat Pujols walking by while they celebrate?

awesome.

forthe4unofit

<< <i>wait a sec, i'm kinda naive about this.....izzat Pujols walking by while they celebrate?

awesome. >>



Yep, I kinda was wishing that he would have signed this too.

BunchOBull

Yeah, I too am thinkin' the Red Sox piece is a certified poster limited to 2004 that was auto'd at a Tri-Star event...probably very few were auto'd.

When teams win the Series they get strongarmed into having team signings of WS memorabilia...I don't know if it's contractual or not.

metsfan

<< <i>Any chance that they did plain photos /2004 and someone got it signed (either for real or not)? >>



That would make sense. Maybe they have a signed photo with a low # and the unsigned #'d to 2004. Getting in touch with Tristar is probably the best way to be sure.

forthe4unofit

Makes sense. I emailed the photo's to someone at Tri-Star a couple of days ago. No word yet. I'll give her a few days to get back with me before I start bugging them again. I wanted to throw that one out there in case anyone had seen the piece before.

Tedw9

The Red Sox photo is 100% legit.

Go to this site MLB Authentication and put in these letters and numbers MT 00538354


This is what it comes up with.

Session Name: RED SOX WS CHAMPS-SIGNING 10/29/04

Session Date: October 29, 2004

Autographer: ALAN EMBREE, BRONSON ARROYO, CURT SCHILLING, CURTIS LESCANIC, DALE SVUEM, DAVE ROBERTS, DEREK LOWE, DOUG MIRABELLI, GABE KAPLER, JASON VARITEK, JOHNNY DAMON, KEITH FOULKE, KEVIN MILLAR, MANNY RAMIREZ, MARK BELLHORN, MIKE MYERS, ORLANDO CABRERA, PEDRO MARTINEZ, POKEY REESE, RAMIRO MENDOZA, TIM WAKEFIELD, TROT NIXON

Authenticator: AUTHENTICATORS, INC.

Additional Information: SIGNED BY THE ENTIRE 2004 RED SOX TEAM


As for the 2004/2004, maybe that is a Tristar thing, I don't know. But I can tell you the autographs are legit. Hope this helps!




Edited to add:

After quickly scanning the thread, it seems you have already done this, sorry for the redundant post! But I would be comfortable with that piece in my collection. Heck, I'd LOVE that piece in my collection!

CNote

If you want to part with it, my mother in law would love it as a gift.

forthe4unofit

<< <i>If you want to part with it, my mother in law would love it as a gift. >>



If or when I ever get into a 'giving' mood, I'll send you a message! I'm open to some sort of bartering though. I'll trade for cash. haha