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1893 Jubilee Head 6D

JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
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Here is the coin from the Colin Cooke list:

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And the description:

1. 1893 JH. S3929. ESC1761 R3. Choice
Virtually BU fields prooflike. After
much research the best example
we can see was in Near EF. This is
by far the strongest example we
have ever seen and it is certainly
believed to be the finest
known. £5250.00

Your thoughts?
JCM-Houston
World Collection
British Collection
German States Collection

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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, good work Jeff as that is the coin I saw. Ouch, looks impressive from what I can tell...
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    canadacolornutcanadacolornut Posts: 995 ✭
    Love the "virtually" Bu part.
    No,no- the kids and the cat are all right honey.
    It's just that I got my PCGS grades.
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice coin.
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,769 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love the "virtually" Bu part.


    Well, on the bright side, look at all the descriptions you have to look forward to:

    Practically Uncirculated

    Nearly as Struck

    Mint Bloom is evident

    and I could go on and on...image

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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would like to see in hand but can see a 63 or 64 dep on if the obv. has polishing about/around bust. They frequently use "practically" for coins not quite gem at CCC but ch. unc. to US (ie the 63-4). Color looks good and rev. very PL. Obverse with what seems to be good strike for this issue which I have seen with rather poorly struck obv. hair & veil detail & thus allowing for relatively low grades of extant specimens despite not a lot of wear (at least on the VF specimens I have seen).

    Can somebody linkify the Cheshire '93 Jubilee head 6d?
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    MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Would like to see in hand but can see a 63 or 64 dep on if the obv. has polishing about/around bust. They frequently use "practically" for coins not quite gem at CCC but ch. unc. to US (ie the 63-4). Color looks good and rev. very PL. Obverse with what seems to be good strike for this issue which I have seen with rather poorly struck obv. hair & veil detail & thus allowing for relatively low grades of extant specimens despite not a lot of wear (at least on the VF specimens I have seen).

    Can somebody linkify the Cheshire '93 Jubilee head 6d? >>




    Page down to lot 2928. The large image does not seem to generate. Goldberg's archives have been problematical for quite some time.


    Lot 2928 realized $3,220. in May 2005
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    wybritwybrit Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭
    Not much doubt about the strike on that one - very nice. It would be a bummer to plunk down the £5,250 only to find out that it is cleaned. There are probably few others if any like it though.

    Interesting trivia: this coin catalogued at £60 in UNC in the first British catalogue I ever had, printed just before the decimal coinage switchover.
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    wybritwybrit Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if it has sold yet?
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not much to tell from the little pic of the Cheshire. Might have that catalog about but would have to search for a while...

    Makes one wonder what other coins might be held by the source of this one...
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A bit of research on this "oldie" & on reliable authority that the coin is NOT cleaned but very small tick near to mouth of Vicky.

    How would others rate rarity of unc. Vicky 6ds?

    I would rate as follows:


    - Virtual tie between 1854 and 1893 Jubilee
    - 1878 "Dritanniar" ....well very close to the above two but just a varietal if of some fame
    - 1848/6 very close in rarity to the above
    - 1862
    - 1863, 1869
    - tie between many also-rans such as 1882, 1876, 1843, 1846, 1867, 1868



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    wybritwybrit Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭
    I would add 1878/7, thought to be higher rarity than all the others on your list.
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Think I might put that '78/7 in the category as the Dritanniar but less famous. Certainly, if an unc. of these was matched to the '54 or '93 Jubilee at the same price, would have to go for one of the latter. Seen a couple of these overdates in high grade over the last five years or so (but not sure if any were duplicates)...
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We do have real experts here. This is a very interesting thread.
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    wybritwybrit Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭
    I'd add 1858 and 1870 and remove 1843 and 1846 from the "also-ran" list. 1882 in true uncleaned UNC is pretty tough and might fall more into the 1863/1869 category. The only 1882s I have seen for sale over the last several years have been cleaned and/or overgraded by the famous British overgrader/seller. The last time I looked / inquired, only one was in a slab from either major US TPG.

    The 1878/7 piece is certainly not famous, so it might get a lower price. Price and rarity don't seem to correlate, as we witnessed when Heritage sold red UNC 1900 and 1901 pennies for ridiculous prices.
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, a bit of debate on some of the marginal scarcities. I have a proof and currency 1870 so this would not be a rare date to me, but might be to others. 1858s I have always been able to find as well, but rated "R" as I recall in ESC.

    This series, Victorian 6ds seem to be unappreciated overall.
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