1807 large stars half. Is it an O-112 or O-114

ARCO

I am selling this 1807 Capped Bust half on Ebay and a potential bidder wrote to ask me if I knew what its Overton number was? Since Overton numbers interest me like a case of the runs, I am defering its attribution to you knowledgeable numismatists.







Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Tyler

zap1111

O.114 - and a very nice one for the grade.

123cents

Looks like a O-112 to me, no die lumps beneath the 7 that I can see.

habaraca

Good call ZAP 114 R3

lkeigwin

At first I guessed O.114, thinking the die lumps just weren't visible in the OP's photos.
Lance.
(edited for correction.)

coin22lover

I'm afraid that is an O-112 50/20...but it is still nice looking, if you can over look the scratches on the face. In order to be O-114, there must be 2 obvious die lumps below the 7, and one right of stars 11/12...

123cents

Usually when you see a 1807 PCGS CBH labeled Large Stars it IS the O-114 variety. This one is not. As said, it is a O-112 50/20 variety.

Southcounty

Clear as mud!

habaraca

Do your research boys

look at the pictures real close compare to the ones at coinzip then read Overton.

check:
Top of B in Liberty
Position of stars especially Star 13
where star 7 points
where the Motto Banner starts and stops
relationship of T and I
relation of S in states to the S below it in Pluribus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this is a dead give away

123cents

<< <i>Do your research boys

look at the pictures real close compare to the ones at coinzip then read Overton.

check:
Top of B in Liberty
Position of stars especially Star 13
where star 7 points
where the Motto Banner starts and stops
relationship of T and I
relation of S in states to the S below it in Pluribus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this is a dead give away >>



If it is a O-114 where are the die lumps below the 7?

habaraca

123 cents

When I blow the picture up VERY large there is something there.. that is a raised area so no telling
what could have happened there, maybe just a bad picture

but that is only 1 diagnostic point compared to the 6 that do match up

LoveMyLiberty

Just thought I'd throw in my fifty cents on this one.

Of the 4 varieties for the year 1807 it's pretty much agreed that
the OP's coin is a Large Star variety and also not the Bearded Goddess
one. That leaves the O-112 & O-114.

Focusing on some of the markers for each variety I would argue the OP's
coin is the O-114 because it has nearly all the markers for that and none
of the markers for the O-112. Being unable to detect whether there is a
2 under the 5 and if there are any lumps under the 7 and adjacent to
S11 at the dentils, I will put those aside & consider the other markers for
each of the two varieties.

Some of the diagnostics for the O-112
* The left serif in the 7 points to between the two lowest curls
* The top of the B in LIBERTY is not broken
* There is a center dot at the junction of the left wing & the shield
* There is a defect dot just below the lowest arrowhead
* The upper most berry points up
* The top of the P and the E in E PLURIBUS UNUM is broken
* The I is centered below the right serif of the T
* The P is below the right edge of the S
* The arrows are not joined, but are ribbed & recut

Some of the diagnostics for the O-114
* The left serif in the 7 points to the left side of the lowest curl
* The top of the B in LIBERTY is broken and leans to the right
* There is no center dot showing on the reverse
* There are no defect dots just below the lowest arrowhead
* The upper most berry points lower to the left
* The top of the P and the E in E PLURIBUS UNUM are not broken
* The I is centered below and between the T and the E
* The P is below and between the S and the T
* The bottom two arrowheads touch

Here are images of 3 examples of each variety in varying grades to compare with the OP coin.

O-112





O-114





Aren't coins fun!

coin22lover

I own this O-112. Look at the top of the B:

zap1111

I still think it's a 114. Great discussion. I even think I can make out the lumps below the 7.

Draw a straight edge across the 180 of the date - all three numbers are basically in line on the 114 while on the 112 the 8 falls below a bit. Or just take a straight line across the top of the 18 and see where it falls on the 0.

Another cincher for me is the 7 line from the date and where it hits the curls.

Thanks to LoveMyLiberty for a great bit of numismatic work!
zap

SaultYooper

Definately O-114.

Just look at the last 'S' in STATES and the 'S; in PLURIBUS. Nothing else to check.

a BUST NUT

drddm

Looks like the O-114 to me based on all the die characteristics presented above.

And a very nice one for the grade.

JRocco

Very nice coin
O-114

mozin

I am surprised so many posters thought it to be the common O-112. There are sooo many markers showing this coin to be O-114. When in doubt, go to CoinZip. You really do not need the Overton book, if you use CoinZip.