Ebay seller e-mailed me and complained about feedback......
shark1970
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I bought a $30 item from this guy and left him 4's on all the feedback categories. he e-mailed me back a few hours later
complaining about it. I can't believe the nerve of this guy. his e-mail is below.
I didn't know there was a way to see what a given person left for ratings??????
"I was shocked to see what you left me for feed back. A 4 for shipping time, I shipped it with in 30 minutes of your purchase. (It took you almost 3 weeks to return feedback). A 4 for shipping cost, you charge $4 for the same item I charged $2.95 (cost of shipping plus the envlope). I will not sell anything else to you. When I buy I pay Immediately, when I sell I ship with in an hour (I just live a couple hundred feet from the post office). I wish you the best, but stay away from my ebay. Marc."
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<< <i>I bought a $30 item from this guy and left him 4's on all the feedback categories. he e-mailed me back a few hours later
complaining about it. I can't believe the nerve of this guy. his e-mail is below.
I didn't know there was a way to see what a given person left for ratings??????
"I was shocked to see what you left me for feed back. A 4 for shipping time, I shipped it with in 30 minutes of your purchase. (It took you almost 3 weeks to return feedback). A 4 for shipping cost, you charge $4 for the same item I charged $2.95 (cost of shipping plus the envlope). I will not sell anything else to you. When I buy I pay Immediately, when I sell I ship with in an hour (I just live a couple hundred feet from the post office). I wish you the best, but stay away from my ebay. Marc." >>
So, did you really leave him a 4 for shipping time and charge? Not that it really means anything, but I, too, thought it was not possible to see what people leave for the DSR. Out of curiosity, why would you leave him/her a 4 for shipping time? If you look at the postage label and it says he shipped it the same day (or even the day after), why would that constitue a 4? I am not bashing, just a question to help me understand people's thinking.
And, I think $2.95 is very fair for shipping. How many 4s do you have?
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Again you should give fair ratings even if that means a 4 but a 4 out of 5 on Ebay means something totally different then on most other sites.
<< <i>Giving 4's is tantamount to giving F's as far as a seller is concerned. From what I read, I'd probably block you too. >>
<< <i>If you get one feedback and your DSR's change you know who did it. >>
and you can run date ranged DSR reports. Run one up to the day before, then run it to that same day. A little number crunching, and you can figure out what was left.
I think you as the buyer were very unreasonable here.
The double standard (if true), is that this seller's shipping was more reasonable than what you charge, and you left less than a five on shipping?
I wonder if he sent everyone that message?
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<< <i>Considering his seller status and fee discounts can be affected by a low rating, I can understand his concern. I don't find $2.95 excessive, and if he shipped right away, I don't think a 4 was warranted in either of those 2 categories. >>
If the buyer in fact left a 4, understand that a 4 in "How reasonable were the shipping and handling charges?" is "reasonable" not "excessive".
A 4 in "How quickly did the seller ship the item?" is "quickly".
Both appear to be good ratings but in eBay's scheme of thing, neither are and I think it was designed that way.
Folks need to look at the actual wording vs the level of the star and understand that some buyers are not sellers and have no idea how the stars affect sellers.
However, In this case, the buyer should have fully understood the implications of assigning 4's if that's what really occured. I see no way of determining who rated what unless the seller checked his dashboard every hour on the hour.
But then, I've been wrong before regarding eBay.
The name is LEE!
Here is something I came up with. Probably not fair. I don't participate in the star ratings anyway unless specifically asked - too much time for me.
Probably not fair based on what is written in this post but then I have to ask why is there 5 stars? Should be a pass/fail system maybe. Acceptable or not acceptable.
1 star - more than 4 weeks
2 stars - more than 2 weeks to 4 weeks
3 stars - more than 1 week to 2 weeks
4 stars - within a week
5 stars - Overnight
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<< <i>Please supply your ebay ID so some of us can block you. >>
Yes, please do.
Please do all the sellers on ebay a big favor and be honest enough to disclose if this is your ebay ID. IMO you should never be allowed to buy on ebay. Some people make their living on ebay, and don't need people like you to ruin it for them. I'd type what I really thought of you except I'm not wanting to get bammed .
2. The OP is a nit for leaving 4's if the seller shipped as quickly as he said, and if the shipping was only $2.95.
3. But, the upside for the seller is that 4's no longer matter for powerseller status and discounts. It's now all albout 1's and 2's.
Russ, NCNE
Seriously though, this kind of stuff is one factor out of many that have caused me to list fewer items for sale on ebay than I've had in a long, long time.
Best of luck in "maybe logic."
<< <i>I blocked: shark1970 >>
Not his ID. That handle is registered in Italy, and isn't a seller.
Russ, NCNE
If the seller isn't getting a ton of feedback at the same time, it isn't that hard to see any change, if one keeps track, and be able to know what the numbers were and who left them.
When you leave feedback, it shows as you leaving feedback. If you were the only one, it is pretty easy to back out the numbers to see what you left.
If you are new to ebay, then, as others have said, while you may think leaving a 4 is good, ebay has sellers trained that anything less than a 5 means it sucks.
Now, since the seller mentions that YOU charge $4 shipping for something that he charged $2.95, then it doesn't appear you are new.......hopefully, you weren't trying to knock down your competition a little? (if you were, I would have thought you would put a 1 across the board, but you didn't)......doesn't appear you are new though.
Hopefully, you come back to this thread and don't hide from it.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
oh come on people lighten up this is why I never post in these forums.
as Russ said the only way you are affected negatively is if people leave you
1's and 2's.
the reason I was posting this is to find out how the person figured out what I had left him, and again as Russ
stated technically the seller violated policy by e-mailing me with his issues.
I guess he only has 50 feedback........if you get only a couple feedbacks a week it would be easier to track
have fun everybody..........going back to more important things in life. I will not reply to this post again.
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<< <i>oh come on people lighten up this is why I never post in these forums.
as Russ said the only way you are affected negatively is if people leave you
1's and 2's.
the reason I was posting this is to find out how the person figured out what I had left him, and again as Russ
stated technically the seller violated policy by e-mailing me with his issues.
I guess he only has 50 feedback........if you get only a couple feedbacks a week it would be easier to track
have fun everybody..........going back to more important things in life. I will not reply to this post again. >>
...and again as Russ stated, you are a nit for giving him 4's with the service you received. You've also been on these forums for eight years, you must know by now that there is no such thing as multiple choice here, only essay questions.
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The least of your concerns should be worrying about how the seller knew it was you as it's pretty easy to find out using the methods outlined here. I for one wouldn't block you based on what you did unless you told me you don't believe in giving 5's......then I'd block you
<< <i>I dont think the seller emailing him is that big of a deal. If he was respectful in his email who is he doing harm by emailing him? I'd want to know too why the 4 rating either to make adjustments, or in the case of this seller to let him know hes a d*****bag. >>
It's against Ebay rules....it's up to each Ebay member whether they think it's a big deal or not....but the Ebay policy on this is clear.
Would be interesting to learn YOUR reason since you appear to be a seller as well.......would YOU like to get 4s?
Seems there is something, important, that you are leaving out and you have no desire to fill us in. If that's the case, I agree with your seller and "wish you the best, but stay away from my ebay" as you are likely a problem buyer
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Seems there is something, important, that you are leaving out and you have no desire to fill us in. >>
Agree. This may explain why he is not giving us a link to the auction in question.
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BUT for a buyer that probably doesn't know how a seller is affected by the ratings, they make a 4 sound pretty damn good in their descriptions.
If a 4 is like a "fail" then e-Bay is scamming it's sellers by their wording for the various stars.
That being said, if a seller charges $6 -$7 shipping and I get an 000 bubble mailer with a $1.85 stamp on it, I ain't a going to leave a 5 for shipping even though I've figured the ship cost when I bid ! ! !
BTW - If anyone wants to block me, my e-Bay sig is "coin-guy366".
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<< <i>If a 4 is like a "fail" then e-Bay is scamming it's sellers by their wording for the various stars.
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<< <i>I have given 5's for sellers with no communication, excessive shipping charges, crappy pictures, and clueless descriptions. Of course, that's becuase what I won was worth a lot more than what it closed for. You want to keep sellers like that happy so they will list more items!
Exactly ... I give out 5 stars every time on every purchase. I have given 5 stars to a seller that charged 5 dollars shipping on a one dollar item.
Of course, I'm only kidding but this is how riduculous feedback has become.
It's getting to the point where leaving feedback is worse than leaving none at all.
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<< <i>Everyone - So since there are 5 stars, what would be the circumstances under which you'd leave each star (for shipping).
Here is something I came up with. Probably not fair. I don't participate in the star ratings anyway unless specifically asked - too much time for me.
Probably not fair based on what is written in this post but then I have to ask why is there 5 stars? Should be a pass/fail system maybe. Acceptable or not acceptable.
1 star - more than 4 weeks
2 stars - more than 2 weeks to 4 weeks
3 stars - more than 1 week to 2 weeks
4 stars - within a week
5 stars - Overnight >>
1 star - more than 2 weeks with no communication indicating the delay
2 stars - more than 2 weeks
3 stars - more than 1 week with no communication indicating the delay
4 stars - more than 1 week
5 stars - within a week
Longer than 2 weeks would also get a neg unless a specific reason were given.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>Everyone - So since there are 5 stars, what would be the circumstances under which you'd leave each star (for shipping).
Here is something I came up with. Probably not fair. I don't participate in the star ratings anyway unless specifically asked - too much time for me.
Probably not fair based on what is written in this post but then I have to ask why is there 5 stars? Should be a pass/fail system maybe. Acceptable or not acceptable.
1 star - more than 4 weeks
2 stars - more than 2 weeks to 4 weeks
3 stars - more than 1 week to 2 weeks
4 stars - within a week
5 stars - Overnight >>
1 star - more than 2 weeks with no communication indicating the delay
2 stars - more than 2 weeks
3 stars - more than 1 week with no communication indicating the delay
4 stars - more than 1 week
5 stars - within a week
Longer than 2 weeks would also get a neg unless a specific reason were given. >>
Does that apply to how quickly they ship it out, or low long it takes to receive it? If it is the latter, then it's not really fair becuase the seller has no control over time once the item is shipped.
but since the OP will not return......
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<< <i>Everyone - So since there are 5 stars, what would be the circumstances under which you'd leave each star (for shipping).
Here is something I came up with. Probably not fair. I don't participate in the star ratings anyway unless specifically asked - too much time for me.
Probably not fair based on what is written in this post but then I have to ask why is there 5 stars? Should be a pass/fail system maybe. Acceptable or not acceptable.
1 star - more than 4 weeks
2 stars - more than 2 weeks to 4 weeks
3 stars - more than 1 week to 2 weeks
4 stars - within a week
5 stars - Overnight >>
1 star - more than 2 weeks with no communication indicating the delay
2 stars - more than 2 weeks
3 stars - more than 1 week with no communication indicating the delay
4 stars - more than 1 week
5 stars - within a week
Longer than 2 weeks would also get a neg unless a specific reason were given. >>
Does that apply to how quickly they ship it out, or low long it takes to receive it? If it is the latter, then it's not really fair becuase the seller has no control over time once the item is shipped. >>
Its when I receive the item. While the USPS can be slow at times, two weeks is simply not in the equation. At most a day or two delay but never two weeks. I buy and sell so I am quite familiar with USPS shipping times with regard to what is acceptable and what is not acceptable and what is the USPS's problem and what is a sellers problem.
Keep in mind that the above is all related to 1st Class postage which is the bulk of what I do buy and has no relevence to registered mail since I wasn't born yesterday and know full well how long registered takes.
As for being notified that the item has shipped? These emails are not a global certainty and are relative to the seller's experience and whether or not they have a store and how that store is set-up.
As a general rule, I usually give out 5 stars across the DSR's and only give out lessor ratings for specific cases that I find a bit irritating. Not as described, excessive postage (meaning what I received is not what I paid for), failure to combine shipping upon request yet receiving "combined shipping", poor packaging, or no communication when an apparent problem arises.
I feel that I am quite liberal but certain transactions do stand out and the DSR's will reflect my dissatisfaction since I don;t think I am an unreasonable guy.
The name is LEE!
I put a coin in the mail the day of sale and it arrives in New York 32 days later. This buyer gave me five star feedback because at day twelve I had refunded his money. He them repaid when it finally got there and the next day bought another coin from me.
Just to let it be known that not all buyers are like the OP and hope to keep finding the good ones.
Buyers just don't understand how a low rating affects the amount of fees paid to Ebay. The OP might have cost the seller $50+ or more in lost discounts due to low ratings, maybe even $100's of dollars. So you, OP, cost the seller a lot of money.
To answer the orginal question, sellers can create reports and see 'over all' feedback scores if they sell enough. I don't think he saw your scores, he probably just did the math.