Need some darkside assistance.

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Picked up a few pieces locally that I need some help with.

First is a Netherlands 1 Gulden from 1764. I cannot find this obverse anywhere. The key points are the "TRANSI" at the end of the obverse legend with the eagle following it, and the little squiggle to the left of the "G" at the right of the shield.

The only reference in "TRANSI" I can find in Krause is for Batavia, but is dated in the 1790s. There are lots of "TRAI" but that is the only "TRANSI" and I can no reference to the bird/eagle. Also, the vast majority of obverses for the Netherlands area have a G with superscript L to the right of the crown. A few have just a G, but none have the squiggle.







The other piece is an 1863 Mexican 8 reales piece. I like the look, it being somewhat contrasty and a bit of a circ-cam look. However the smoothness of some of the features and surfaces have me concerned. Any red flags from a genuine standpoint?

Thanks!

DCH

The legends match KM#85 from Overyssel, which was omitted from the 3rd edition KM. 1764 is listed with Eagle or Dots. The picture from 2nd edition does have the GL and no squiggle.

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<< <i>The legends match KM#85 from Overyssel, which was omitted from the 3rd edition KM. 1764 is listed with Eagle or Dots. The picture from 2nd edition does have the GL and no squiggle. >>



That would explain it. My 18th-century Krause is the 3rd edition.

Thanks!

mnemtsas2

Yes, the gulden is from Overijssel, the TRANSI is an abbreviation of Transisalania. I think it can appear as TRANS and TRA on other coins. Transisalania is the old Latin name for the province.

Hussulo

Not my are of collecting but cool coins and excellent pictures!

Andres

TRA can mean Transissulania (Province Overijssel) in some rare cases, but is usually written as TRAN , Transi. or Transis

TRA or TRAI stands usually for Traiectum (Province Utrecht)

I never saw that "squiggle' before on dutch Guilders, looks like a die crack or fault ?