Jefferson Nickel Folks... is it or isn't it?

FullStepJeffs

Well? It looks to have the tell-tale signs for the DDO1 and I don't need another one... right now.

(Disclaimer... it's not my coin, so this ain't spam.)

Closeup if the link works...

Alternate Link

And here's a pic of the PUPS:



And additional pics for the rest of the DDO:







The interesting part is... if Heritage actually listed this in the description, if they knew how to verify it as a DDO, then wouldn't they possibly make more money off the fees?

Happy Bidding!

Steve

leothelyon

I don't think they pay too close attention to coins nor photograph them in great detail if they're worth less than $1000.
But I do like the bold doubling and tripling on that one. What's the rest of the coin look like? It must be high grade for you
to get blowups on the details.

Leo

FullStepJeffs

The links are to a coin on Heritage being auctioned currently... the blow-ups are from one of my examples to show what the variety looks like.

And too bad on Heritage and the others refusing to acknowledge the variety. I think eventually, it will be designated.

Peace!

Steve

MsMorrisine

<< <i>The links are to a coin on Heritage being auctioned currently... the blow-ups are from one of my examples to show what the variety looks like.

And too bad on Heritage and the others refusing to acknowledge the variety. I think eventually, it will be designated. >>




Why do you think it is not being recognized?

cmerlo1

I say it is- I owned one in AU-58 at on time, and that's what it looked like.

BigDowgie

FullStepJeffs,

Good catch, this is the DDO-001 for sure. This is one variety that should be in Cherry Pickers and ultimately part of the PCGS "Complete Variety" Sets.

I'm not excited about the grade NGC gave this one, but I'm usually not. I'm still trying to cherry that elusive MS66FS or MS67!!

Nice pictures by-the-way!

Dowgie

TexasNationals

I agree I see split serifs and looks like DDO #1

FullStepJeffs

<< <i>

<< <i>The links are to a coin on Heritage being auctioned currently... the blow-ups are from one of my examples to show what the variety looks like.

And too bad on Heritage and the others refusing to acknowledge the variety. I think eventually, it will be designated. >>




Why do you think it is not being recognized? >>




Please look at the Heritage auction one more time. The coin is currently in a NGC holder, undesignated... in an auction that doesn't document the variety. If that ain't unrecognized, I don't know what is...

The problem is... the CPG refuses to acknowledge the designation. Therefore, PCGS and NGC won't designate the variety.

Again, the links are to the Heritage auction. The pictures in the original post are of one of my examples to show you the PUPS. They are not the same coin, but both have the same PUPS.

And here is one that is actually designated... to show you the difference. If I sent this coin to Heritage, they would document the variety in the auction. This is the one I thought might have a shot at an MS66 grade, but since I've put it in the slab it now resides in, the Dinolite can't get close enough to get a closeup.



Finally, my original thought was, and still is, why doesn't Heritage document the fact that these coins are varieties, even if they aren't designated on the slab. They might end up with higher auction prices realized, thus higher fees, thus higher income, thus higher stock prices... just a thought.

Edited to add... in other words... anyone looking for a DDO1... there it is... happy bidding and again, it ain't my coin.

Peace,

Steve

MsMorrisine

you misunderstood my question &/or I didn't make myself clear.


In your opinion... why do you think this particular coin is not recognized?


and I see in your reply that you answered that second... the first part wasn't necessary since I believed you when you said it was not recognized.


edit: and I guess I should ask why do you think it is not recognized by the CPG??? (asking as a newbie)

FullStepJeffs

<< <i>edit: and I guess I should ask why do you think it is not recognized by the CPG??? (asking as a newbie) >>





I think there are more than a few possible CPG possibilities that should have ben added on the last revision of the book (It was one reason why I won't buy the book).

The problem is as long as the CPG doesn't document, nothing else matters.

And Heritage loses fees because they don't document.

Sellers lose possible income.

And someone gets the coin for a song.

Steve

BigDowgie

Steve,

I guess we really haven't been answering your question, as to "why Heritage wouldn't include this designation in their description?" I don't think they want to hold themselves out as grading or variety designation experts. This is not their expertice. They sell coins in auctions. Sure they might make a few more bucks, but in the long run, no headaches when a coin is mis-attributed, etc. We as experts in our given denomination(s) pick up on these varieties and occasionally get a buy. However, when two or more variety experts spot the variety and want it.....the price goes up and Heritage makes their extra fees!

ANACS right now is the only TPG that designates this one, along with most others varieties. Why PCGS (and NGC) use the excuse that they only attribute varieties listed in CPG is goofy. This has been posted many times before!

Mike

dbldie55

Do you feel Heritage has the time to search for all varieties, even those only listed in series specific references?

FullStepJeffs

<< <i>Steve,

I guess we really haven't been answering your question, as to "why Heritage wouldn't include this designation in their description?" I don't think they want to hold themselves out as grading or variety designation experts. This is not their expertice. They sell coins in auctions. Sure they might make a few more bucks, but in the long run, no headaches when a coin is mis-attributed, etc. We as experts in our given denomination(s) pick up on these varieties and occasionally get a buy. However, when two or more variety experts spot the variety and want it.....the price goes up and Heritage makes their extra fees!


Mike >>




Uh, I'd just like to say, I'm sure there are plenty of people around here who would love a percentage on every coin they attributed in the Heritage inventory.




<< <i>Do you feel Heritage has the time to search for all varieties, even those only listed in series specific references? >>



Uh... yes. They do it for other more classic series... why not all? It's kinda like when Heritage takes extreme close-up pictures of the coins they know will reach out and touch a certain number... if they did that for all of their auctions, and described their auctions better, all of this discussion might be a moot point.

Steve