Would you leave good bad neutral or NO feedback
mumu
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So I buy a circulated silver coin on ebay that I already have several of and was interested in this one ONLY because of what appeared to be some kind of gold electro plating or possible some kind of unique toning, most likley plating. But in any case what appealed to me was the cameo effect created by the plating and I would not have bought the coin otherwise. So today in the mail I get an all white coin, clearly a differnet coin than the one picture. Now here are the important details.
The coin sold for 99 cent bid because seller had 9.95 shipping so returning it is not an option. I'd only get 99 cents back and have to return it for 2$
Returning is also silly because the coin is 3/4s of an ounce of silver so for <11$ I still made out in that sense.
Also the overall condition of this coins appears to be better though that was not part of the buying intent. The color
was still the reason I went for it and its not there.
Based on this Neutral or NO feedback seem the most appropriate.
But what pisses me off the most and makes me want to leave a bad rating is that I sent the seller a message specifaclly asking about the color on the coin
so he knew my interest was in that aspect of the coin. He responded "I dont know anything about this coin". Add to that the 10$ shipping to pretty much
guarantee that the person would keep the obviosuly differnet coin.
In the end I profited so its hard to leave bad feedback on that reason alone. But the intent to be deceptive is clearly there and I HATE seeing sellers like Great Southern Coin with perfect ratings because everyone becomes a saint at the time of bad feedback.
So what would you do?
The coin sold for 99 cent bid because seller had 9.95 shipping so returning it is not an option. I'd only get 99 cents back and have to return it for 2$
Returning is also silly because the coin is 3/4s of an ounce of silver so for <11$ I still made out in that sense.
Also the overall condition of this coins appears to be better though that was not part of the buying intent. The color
was still the reason I went for it and its not there.
Based on this Neutral or NO feedback seem the most appropriate.
But what pisses me off the most and makes me want to leave a bad rating is that I sent the seller a message specifaclly asking about the color on the coin
so he knew my interest was in that aspect of the coin. He responded "I dont know anything about this coin". Add to that the 10$ shipping to pretty much
guarantee that the person would keep the obviosuly differnet coin.
In the end I profited so its hard to leave bad feedback on that reason alone. But the intent to be deceptive is clearly there and I HATE seeing sellers like Great Southern Coin with perfect ratings because everyone becomes a saint at the time of bad feedback.
So what would you do?
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<< <i>So you have one reply of neutral, one of positive and one of negative. The answer to your question should be clear as mud.
I agree with this.
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So if you did not know what it was for sure when you bid how can you say it is something different when you have it.
My thought is positive if it was the type and date of coin listed and use the stars for what you think of the deal.
<< <i>Seems like you were wondering what it might be and willing to take a risk when you bid.
So if you did not know what it was for sure when you bid how can you say it is something different when you have it.
My thought is positive if it was the type and date of coin listed and use the stars for what you think of the deal. >>
Regardless of the ability to pinpoint exactly what the color was, the key here is that it was clearly different and defintly not the same coin.
I'd like to add one more element, the seller has a perfect 100% feedback with 92 points. So a negative here would be pretty tough.
I am not going to leave a negative, I had already decided that much before even posting. I might do neutral though. But I am curious to see where people lie on this type of issue.
Definetly wasnt a stock photo, the coin pictured is very unique and sitting on a countertop. Not the stock setting youd normally see.
(I know, its a darksider but the point of the thread is more to do with the ebay ethics so I apologize if someone gets annoyed at darkside related materials.)
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<< <i>Definetly wasnt a stock photo, the coin pictured is very unique and sitting on a countertop. Not the stock setting youd normally see. >>
Well, it might be a stock photo..maybe the guy had a few of them, thought they were all more or less the same and took a picture of just one. The problem is if he didn't state it was a (homemade) stock photo in the auction...
<< <i>The coin sold for 99 cent bid because seller had 9.95 shipping so returning it is not an option. I'd only get 99 cents back and have to return it for 2$ >>
If you knew the shipping cost when you bid, you agreed to it with your bid. If the seller actually charged you the amount listed in the auction, that part of the deal is no basis for any sort of negative comment.
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<< <i>The coin sold for 99 cent bid because seller had 9.95 shipping so returning it is not an option. I'd only get 99 cents back and have to return it for 2$ >>
If you knew the shipping cost when you bid, you agreed to it with your bid. If the seller actually charged you the amount listed in the auction, that part of the deal is no basis for any sort of negative comment. >>
I agree 100% that the shipping is not an issue on its own. And I am not complaning about the shipping cost at all. But when considered after it coming to light that the coin received is not the coin listed, it does come into play in the arena of intent. Someone might have returned the coin if they were getting back 11$, but who would return it for 99 cents?
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<< <i>Definetly wasnt a stock photo, the coin pictured is very unique and sitting on a countertop. Not the stock setting youd normally see. >>
Well, it might be a stock photo..maybe the guy had a few of them, thought they were all more or less the same and took a picture of just one. The problem is if he didn't state it was a (homemade) stock photo in the auction... >>
If he sold more of the same coin he didnt do so on ebay. I dont think it was a stock photo in any sense of the term though.
Here is the full auction so that I am not hiding any elements of this Text
<< <i>I agree 100% that the shipping is not an issue on its own. And I am not complaning about the shipping cost at all. But when considered after it coming to light that the coin received is not the coin listed, it does come into play in the arena of intent. Someone might have returned the coin if they were getting back 11$, but who would return it for 99 cents? >>
Knowing the shipping charge, if you wanted the option of returning the coin, why did you bid?
The only reason that sellers using this pricing technique exist on eBay is that THEY GET BIDS. If people would stop bidding on those kind of auctions, they'd go away.
Not totally unrelated- when was the last time you saw a post from someone who received a coin which was much nicer than what was shown in the auction who insisted on returning it because it didn't "look like the one in the picture"? Funny how buyers appear to think it's okay to let bad pictures slide when the error is in their favor, isn't it?
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<< <i>I agree 100% that the shipping is not an issue on its own. And I am not complaning about the shipping cost at all. But when considered after it coming to light that the coin received is not the coin listed, it does come into play in the arena of intent. Someone might have returned the coin if they were getting back 11$, but who would return it for 99 cents? >>
Knowing the shipping charge, if you wanted the option of returning the coin, why did you bid?
The only reason that sellers using this pricing technique exist on eBay is that THEY GET BIDS. If people would stop bidding on those kind of auctions, they'd go away.
Not totally unrelated- when was the last time you saw a post from someone who received a coin which was much nicer than what was shown in the auction who insisted on returning it because it didn't "look like the one in the picture"? Funny how buyers appear to think it's okay to let bad pictures slide when the error is in their favor, isn't it? >>
Well what you are are pointing out is exactly what I am not doing. I am not "just letting slide in my favor" so your snide comment doesnt apply to me.
In this case its a matter of ebay fee circumventing as the item was shipped from inside the US and the stamp was 2$. Normally I wouldnt bid when say a seller lists a 50$ item with a 49..99 shipping fee but this was a 15 or so item based on silver content that I ended up picking up for 11$.
<< <i>Well what you are are pointing out is exactly what I am not doing. I am not "just letting slide in my favor" so your snide comment doesnt apply to me. >>
Of course you're not doing that. So that means the comment you pointed out wasn't directed at you.
<< <i>In this case its a matter of ebay fee circumventing as the item was shipped from inside the US and the stamp was 2$. Normally I wouldnt bid when say a seller lists a 50$ item with a 49..99 shipping fee but this was a 15 or so item based on silver content that I ended up picking up for 11$. >>
If you were concerned about policy violations in the listing, why did you bid?
<< <i>BTW I left positive with a mention of the picture not showing the same coin but received one in better condition and I hit his DSRs >>
This was/is probably the right way to go.
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<< <i>Well what you are are pointing out is exactly what I am not doing. I am not "just letting slide in my favor" so your snide comment doesnt apply to me. >>
Of course you're not doing that. So that means the comment you pointed out wasn't directed at you.
<< <i>In this case its a matter of ebay fee circumventing as the item was shipped from inside the US and the stamp was 2$. Normally I wouldnt bid when say a seller lists a 50$ item with a 49..99 shipping fee but this was a 15 or so item based on silver content that I ended up picking up for 11$. >>
If you were concerned about policy violations in the listing, why did you bid? >>
Are you pulling my leg or was i really THAT unclear in my writing? I'll try that part again. I have ZERO problem with the shipping fee. That is not what this thread is about. Its about the coin in the picture not being the coin I got.
Type of feedback depends on how he responds.
<< <i>Are you pulling my leg or was i really THAT unclear in my writing? I'll try that part again. I have ZERO problem with the shipping fee. That is not what this thread is about. Its about the coin in the picture not being the coin I got. >>
No, I'm not pulling your leg. Considering that we're apparently agreed that the issue isn't the shipping fee, I just wondered why you felt it was necessary to bring it into the discussion in the first place.
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<< <i>Are you pulling my leg or was i really THAT unclear in my writing? I'll try that part again. I have ZERO problem with the shipping fee. That is not what this thread is about. Its about the coin in the picture not being the coin I got. >>
No, I'm not pulling your leg. Considering that we're apparently agreed that the issue isn't the shipping fee, I just wondered why you felt it was necessary to bring it into the discussion in the first place. >>
Someone asked why the shipping fee was so high. I simply explained that since its a 15$ coin at best, it was done to minimize ebay fees.
Couple years ago, I purchased a 1882 S-Morgan lot of 10. Needless to say, I jumped on the ball and clicked the BIN price and had it shipped, $15.00 shipping if you must know. I received the coins about a week later to find out that they were "copy proof coins." I dinged the seller and asked him why he sold me copy coins, (the word, proof or copy never appeared in the title or anywhere in the listing for that matter). The pictures were not stock photos and were of original 1882s Morgs.
Gotta make sure other people know what mistakes this seller has made.
<< <i>I would've given him a neutral or negative feedback
Couple years ago, I purchased a 1882 S-Morgan lot of 10. Needless to say, I jumped on the ball and clicked the BIN price and had it shipped, $15.00 shipping if you must know. I received the coins about a week later to find out that they were "copy proof coins." I dinged the seller and asked him why he sold me copy coins, (the word, proof or copy never appeared in the title or anywhere in the listing for that matter). The pictures were not stock photos and were of original 1882s Morgs.
Gotta make sure other people know what mistakes this seller has made. >>
Yeah in your case theres no doubt about a neg. You took a hit on value. In this case It was just misrepresneation but ultimately I got a genuine coin. I would compare my situation to buying a blue car and getting a red one.
<< <i>I would compare my situation to buying a blue car and getting a red one. >>
or rather, a different shade of blue.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
maybe they cleaned it up for you
or the shadows on their pic make it look gold?
<< <i>are you 100% sure the coin you received is not the one pictured?
maybe they cleaned it up for you
or the shadows on their pic make it look gold? >>
I'm fairly certain those are not shadows in the pictures. Maybe im wrong. What do you think?
and I am proud of you for working the issue through to
a judicious conclusion.
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