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how does this kind of stuff get into a holder?

DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
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It's in an XF45 holder and I'm clueless to understand why it wasn't bodybagged:

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is the date?

    Not like it should matter....
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In all fairness- lets see the whole coin- obverse and reverse





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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are some dates that even at XF show die polishing lines. Perhaps that is what
    we are seeing?
    Or, perhaps it's a very rare date and it's been net graded?

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1921-D Morgan
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can we assume it's in a PCGS holder? Looks hairlined from a harsh cleaning. Doesn't look like die polish unless that pic is extremely misleading.

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  • machoponchomachoponcho Posts: 355 ✭✭✭
    It's a rare VAM and they silently netted it down to XF45 even though it has AU details?
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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. Those are pretty obvious scrub lines in my eyes... look how the tone/dirt are still visible in the protected areas.
    Let's see the whole morgan.

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    No *official* comment until the entire slab/coin is revealed. Not fair to focus in on a portion of a huge coin and ask for comments/answers.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,205 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There are some dates that even at XF show die polishing lines. Perhaps that is what
    we are seeing?
    Or, perhaps it's a very rare date and it's been net graded?

    bob >>



    The lines/scratches appear to be raised which would be suggestive of die polishing.
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  • BubbleheadBubblehead Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Can we assume it's in a PCGS holder? Looks hairlined from a harsh cleaning. Doesn't look like die polish unless that pic is extremely misleading. >>



    I'm curious as well..Whose holder?

    I would not be at all surprised to see something like that as MS65....in a certain TPG's holder! image
  • rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's in an XF45 holder and I'm clueless to understand why it wasn't bodybagged:

    image >>



    If that's a 21-D, there's a specific VAM in the 21-D (I could be wrong on which 21 it is, but I swear it's the D) that is so covered in die polish that the coin looks like it was hit with a rough eraser, but it's how they came and the lines are all raised.
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  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920 ✭
    Would anyone be willing to post a coin with die polish lines next to a harshly cleaned example?

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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    Pakasmom.

    Die lines are raised because the dies had been scrubbed during the minting process.

    Hairlines are dug into a coin.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,606 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>There are some dates that even at XF show die polishing lines. Perhaps that is what
    we are seeing?
    Or, perhaps it's a very rare date and it's been net graded?

    bob >>



    The lines/scratches appear to be raised which would be suggestive of die polishing. >>



    Die polish should go through the design elements. In this example, the lines stop short of the letters and don't appear inside the letters, so it's probably hairline scratches from a harsh cleaning.



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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,205 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>There are some dates that even at XF show die polishing lines. Perhaps that is what
    we are seeing?
    Or, perhaps it's a very rare date and it's been net graded?

    bob >>



    The lines/scratches appear to be raised which would be suggestive of die polishing. >>



    Die polish should go through the design elements. In this example, the lines stop short of the letters and don't appear inside the letters, so it's probably hairline scratches from a harsh cleaning. >>



    They are on the cap. It is my understanding that die polish lines normally stop short of or at the devices. I'd have to believe that a PCGS grader would know the difference.
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think most of what we are seeing is die polish, but from the squared-off tarnish around some of the letters it had at least a light cleaning, maybe not enough to matter to the graders.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess from the pic provided is that these are from a cleaning, not die polish lines. They look too short and random and don't appear raised, IMO, and don't appear to be part of the coin as struck. But it's much easier to distinguish the difference in hand than from a small photo - or any photo, for that matter.
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  • hammered54hammered54 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭
    are too ...are not...are too ...are not... image
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>are too ...are not...are too ...are not... image >>



    grading is about the total look package also known as the complete coin grade, One can not grade or judge a coin of of less then 10% of it.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,023 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>are too ...are not...are too ...are not... image >>



    grading is about the total look package also known as the complete coin grade, One can not grade or judge a coin of of less then 10% of it. >>



    image Very well put. Lets see the rest of the coin please....
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  • hammered54hammered54 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>are too ...are not...are too ...are not... image >>



    grading is about the total look package also known as the complete coin grade, One can not grade or judge a coin of of less then 10% of it. >>




    that was my point...am I not allowed to have any fun ?
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    those lines sure don't look like die polish to me.

    You can never be sure without seeing the coin in hand, but I would wager money on harsh cleaning lines rather than die polish lines.
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  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920 ✭


    << <i>[.am I not allowed to have any fun ? >>



    You sure are as far as I'm concerned, hammered. image This is supposed to be fun!
    Thanks for the replies concerning telling the difference between die polish and scratches. I'm still a bit confused about whether polish lines would stop at the design though...
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>[.am I not allowed to have any fun ? >>



    You sure are as far as I'm concerned, hammered. image This is supposed to be fun!
    Thanks for the replies concerning telling the difference between die polish and scratches. I'm still a bit confused about whether polish lines would stop at the design though... >>



    I've always thought die polish lines stop at the design/relief.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    My bad I liked your point and hit quote instead of reply. my bad

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