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This got graded a 6. What do you think it deserves?

chris777chris777 Posts: 163
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This got a 6. What do you think it deserved?
Thanks for your help everyone.

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    toothshuckertoothshucker Posts: 83
    8.5
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    mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
    That's a 9. What do I win?
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    hhmag70hhmag70 Posts: 2,107
    8
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163
    I agree with you guys!!
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    italianstallionyankeesitalianstallionyankees Posts: 541
    Wow... A 6? Does the card have a small wrinkle or surface bump?

    Ryan
    1938 Cartledge Boxing cards psa 7 - psa 10
    1951 Topps Red backs psa 8 only!
    1960 Golden Press Presidential set Psa 8 's - Psa 9's
    1961 Golden Press psa 9's
    1976 Topps baseball psa 9 Stars
    1980 Kelloggs baseball Psa 9's - Psa 10's
    1988-1989 Fleer Basketball psa 9's
    1988-1989 Fleer Stickers psa 9's
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    italianstallionyankeesitalianstallionyankees Posts: 541
    It looks like a 8 .. or 1/2 better ,
    slight tilt though image
    1938 Cartledge Boxing cards psa 7 - psa 10
    1951 Topps Red backs psa 8 only!
    1960 Golden Press Presidential set Psa 8 's - Psa 9's
    1961 Golden Press psa 9's
    1976 Topps baseball psa 9 Stars
    1980 Kelloggs baseball Psa 9's - Psa 10's
    1988-1989 Fleer Basketball psa 9's
    1988-1989 Fleer Stickers psa 9's
    1989-1990 Fleer Basketball psa 10's
    1992 Coca-Cola Donruss Nolan Ryan 1-26 Psa 10 only Gpa 9.80++ E-mail Newyork00007@aol.com
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163
    itallions.... i don't see any wrinkle or bump. Pretty nice surface and corners (except for some slight wear on one of the corners).
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033
    looks like a 8-8.5
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    captainthreeputtcaptainthreeputt Posts: 1,235 ✭✭
    crack it and re-submit. It definitely looks like atleast an 8. If it comes back a 6 again, you will know you are missing small crease or something.
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    bsidegrvebsidegrve Posts: 687
    Not sure, but the area highlighted may be the problem



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    dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051


    << <i>Not sure, but the area highlighted may be the problem



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    BINGO.. was thinking the same thing..
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163
    bsidegrve and dizzle,

    that's the little black line printed by the factory. I thought it was very common on these cards. Does that black line bring down the card 1 or 2 grades?
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051


    << <i>bsidegrve and dizzle,

    that's the little black line printed by the factory. I thought it was very common on these cards. Does that black line bring down the card 1 or 2 grades? >>



    Hmm.. I'm aware of the line just never saw it on the edge like that..

    It looked like a rubber band mark or something in the scan..
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163
    It's the black mark on the edge of the card. Look at this card with the mark and it gets an 8.

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    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    PSA 5
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    SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not sure what it is, but I see somethin' on the first scan, edge, directly above Dr. J's head.


    Steve
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    corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    you may want to get it regraded and point out the thumb image above Magic's head. I believe that is an error variation and extremely rare.
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    SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, I know this card is known for having black print lines (not what's on this particular example, but print lines on the upper-right corner) on the Magic third.....but what about what appears to be white print dust on the bottom-right quarter of the Magic image?


    Steve
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163
    Sdsports, that's a red print spot from the factory, same with the red spot way above magic's head on the edge of the colored border.

    corvette, I took the pic with a digital cam. Those are glare off the reflection of the case.
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163


    << <i>Also, I know this card is known for having black print lines on the Magic third.....but what about what appears to be white print dust on the bottom-right quarter of the Magic image?


    Steve >>


    Good eye! That is white print dust. I've seen these cards with tons of it all over the face of the card and got better grades than a 6.
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sdsports, that's a red print spot from the factory, same with the red spot way above magic's head on the edge of the colored border. >>



    Yea, I see the red print spot, but above that on the very white edge of the card, I'm seein' an indent or a dot or somethin' else.....


    Steve
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163


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    << <i>Sdsports, that's a red print spot from the factory, same with the red spot way above magic's head on the edge of the colored border. >>



    Yea, I see the red print spot, but above that on the very white edge of the card, I'm seein' an indent or a dot or somethin' else.....


    Steve >>


    The edge is tiny chipping. Or could be slight cuts where the factory might often make that damage behind the edge of the card. I've heard people tell me that that damage is not a big deal because it's common.
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    There's a small back wrinkle coming in from the edge just under the word "Magic" in the sentence "Magic led the Lakers . . ." Look at it and tilt it and you will see it.
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    AhmanfanAhmanfan Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sdsports, that's a red print spot from the factory, same with the red spot way above magic's head on the edge of the colored border.

    corvette, I took the pic with a digital cam. Those are glare off the reflection of the case. >>



    Funny, 'vette!

    I'm no expert, but he may have been kidding.
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    bsidegrvebsidegrve Posts: 687


    << <i>that's the little black line printed by the factory >>



    I don't follow these that much, but I don't recall seeing the print line sit so close to the edge in that location.



    << <i>Does that black line bring down the card 1 or 2 grades? >>



    Again I don't follow these much, but I don't think they downgrade on this card for the factory print line
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    SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There's a small back wrinkle coming in from the edge just under the word "Magic" in the sentence "Magic led the Lakers . . ." Look at it and tilt it and you will see it. >>




    Yep, I see that too. I'm also seeing another back wrinkle coming in from the edge between Johnny Kerr's and Chet Walker's names on the Dr. J third.

    It sounds like when you put all this together.....the white print snow, the back wrinkles, the ding on the card's edge above Dr. J's head.....you get a PSA 6.


    Steve
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163
    These pics were taken with a digital camera, nowhere as crisp as a scanner, so you guys are seeing lots of glare.
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    bsidegrvebsidegrve Posts: 687


    << <i>There's a small back wrinkle coming in from the edge just under the word "Magic" in the sentence "Magic led the Lakers . . ." Look at it and tilt it and you will see it. >>




    We have a winner folks!
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163
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    What you guys are seeing is all over the back. Here is the pic double the size.
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    I still think you should resubmit it and tell them to note the thumb error on the flip. Just send in the picture with your sub.
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    chris777chris777 Posts: 163


    << <i>I still think you should resubmit it and tell them to note the thumb error on the flip. Just send in the picture with your sub. >>


    Ha ha.... good one!! I have to admit, your 5.5 grade was funny. You guys are like Sherlocke Holmes!!!
    Thanks for your help everyone.
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    italianstallionyankeesitalianstallionyankees Posts: 541


    << <i>It's the black mark on the edge of the card. Look at this card with the mark and it gets an 8.

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    That is one old flip! I wonder what year the card was graded?

    Ryan
    1938 Cartledge Boxing cards psa 7 - psa 10
    1951 Topps Red backs psa 8 only!
    1960 Golden Press Presidential set Psa 8 's - Psa 9's
    1961 Golden Press psa 9's
    1976 Topps baseball psa 9 Stars
    1980 Kelloggs baseball Psa 9's - Psa 10's
    1988-1989 Fleer Basketball psa 9's
    1988-1989 Fleer Stickers psa 9's
    1989-1990 Fleer Basketball psa 10's
    1992 Coca-Cola Donruss Nolan Ryan 1-26 Psa 10 only Gpa 9.80++ E-mail Newyork00007@aol.com
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    MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    100% sure there is a back wrinkle above the number 174 that curls over the perforation between the Dr. J and Magic card.
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    MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Also you need to show the flips to prove the grades are what you say they are.
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    hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Also you need to show the flips to prove the grades are what you say they are. >>



    That's what I was thinking
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    MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Also you need to show the flips to prove the grades are what you say they are. >>



    That's what I was thinking >>



    me too
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,531 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This card isn't a PSA 6 in the first place..


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