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Today's Heritage Win! 1798 $1 VF 25.

AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
I have seen G6 examples for around $900, so I was happy with the price on this one.

1798 $1 Large Eagle, Pointed 9, Four Berries VF25 ANACS. B-8a, BB-125, R.2. A long vertical die flaw to the left of the bust identifies the obverse. This is the only four-berry reverse of the year, which is a simple diagnostic. The reverse die has shattered, with numerous cracks throughout, which indicates that this piece is Bowers-Borckardt Die State III (Bolender-8a). Light tan-gray patina covers the devices, which contrast nicely to the slightly darker fields. Several letters in UNITED are soft, as always seen, and the left stars are also weak. Two small planchet defects account for minor rim flaws on the right. There are no noteworthy marks, however, and this interesting variety is quite appealing overall.
Ex: Dallas Signature (Heritage, 10/2008), lot 1069, which realized $1,840.(Registry values: N1793) (#6873)

I paid less than what it sold for in 2008.

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AJ
All coins kept in bank vaults.
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SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!

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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Ok I'll ask... Whats going on at 3:00?
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    "Two small planchet defects account for minor rim flaws on the right"

    There are a lot of die issues as well. On the reverse especially.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Ok got it.

    The fields are clean and there is some great hair detail. Looks good! image
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  • If you got it for less than the $1495 it sold for last year then you did well.

    I really like it. image
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you got it for less than the $1495 it sold for last year then you did well.

    I really like it. image >>



    Thats exactly what it went for with BP!
    I guess it didnt move up in value this past year.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I always wonder who actually held a coin that is over 200 years old.

    I like it image >>



    Well we know one of themimage
    Yes that is a cool thought.
    Derek

    EAC 6024
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Too bad about the planchet flaws. Keeps the price down thou.

    Here is the plate coin (pcgs64) at earlydollars.org
    They list the coin as a R1.



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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Realone: it is what Heritage listed in their description, and when doing researcg, I saw another with a similar flaw.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice pickup image congrats.
  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    Are you getting away from the little gold ones? Your last two purchases shared here were big silver!
    edit: Oops, I got you mixed up with Ambro51. Sorry for the confusion. I bought a 1798 (B29-BB119)raw from Stack's three years ago for about the same money. Sent it to PCGS and it came back VF30. It has a nice die crack at the bottom of the obverse that makes it look like a vine grew there.
    Paul
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    image Its a 18th cen american bust dollar with a lot of meat left on her.

    image It's been cleaned(3rd skin?) and damaged and will never make it into a PCGS or NGC holder w/grade

    imageimage no sticker
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Curiously, after the various troubles you have had, did you actually buy the coin sight-unseen? Hopefully, you already know that a good many coins are currently selling for less than they did in 2008. Regardless, I hope you end up being happy with it.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've tried and I am unable to see the coin... as the planchet flaws are an eyeball magnet image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Dont planchet flaws occur when the coin is struck?

    If so, why would the coins value be so greatly effected? Moderns go up in value with these errors, so why do classic coins go down in value?
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    I don't mind die cracks, but planchet flaws reduce eye appeal IMHO
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • Sharp coin. A technical vf35 with a planchet flaw. I like it.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I like the die breaks, don't find the planchet flaws nearly as distracting as others and think the coin is pretty cool for a low price. I don't think the OP bought it for appreciation potential but I may be wrong. --jerry

  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image It's been cleaned(3rd skin?) and damaged and will never make it into a PCGS or NGC holder w/grade >>

    Maybe, maybe not, but:

    * the "damage" is an as-struck planchet flaw and thus isn't post-mint "damage" that would result in a BB (or "gennie" these days);

    * Bust dollars have a *lot* more leeway for old cleanings since the vast majority of them have been messed with. Looks "market acceptable" to me.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I couldn't figure out what he meant by damage either but he is consistently tough on posted coins. --jerry
  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Yes, those are definitely planchet defects on the rims. Pretty sweet looking coin overall. I have seen
    early dollars with small planchet defects in all of the services' holders -- it would be interesting to see if
    this would cross. Either way, I like it!
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    I spoke to NGC regarding Mint plancet flaws and their grading. I was told they do grade them, and a mint error option has to be selected.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    212 year old Big silver is the best!
    Still is my favorite designimage
    email: ccacollectibles@yahoo.com

    100% Positive BST transactions
  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085
    Nice every old dollar has it's own story to tell.
    A thing of beauty is a joy for ever
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623


    << <i>

    << <i>image It's been cleaned(3rd skin?) and damaged and will never make it into a PCGS or NGC holder w/grade >>

    Maybe, maybe not, but:

    * the "damage" is an as-struck planchet flaw and thus isn't post-mint "damage" that would result in a BB (or "gennie" these days);

    * Bust dollars have a *lot* more leeway for old cleanings since the vast majority of them have been messed with. Looks "market acceptable" to me. >>



    To be honest you are most likely right about the rim issues being planchet flaws but you are only guessing and never the less they are factored into grading early Americana, 2nd that coin has the classic gray purple color of old silver that has been dipped more than once and one of the reasons ANACS is now all but irrelevant was their acceptance(at a higher%) of off colored coins compared to the other two TPG. I can not count the number of blast white graded ef-au silver coins in little white 6-7digit ANACS holders. Yes its a decent coin, no it isn't base line MA and I would bet my house that it has been submitted to PCGS as a cross once or twice and the fact that a muilt-4figuar coin still in a slab that leaves 25%-50% retail on the table speaks for its self.

    I find it hard to believe that some people didn't know what I meant by damage when the coin has chunks missing out of the rim, even if it is planchet flaws it lowers the over all value/net grade and doesn't change the fact that there is parts missing that draw the eye in a negative fashion. I think the new owner will have a hard/impossible time getting it into a NGC holder or PCGS which is what he wants to do, that is all I meant. Yes I can find dipped out bust coins in TPG holders all the time I just never seem to be the one who gets them in.

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