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Newp: 1957 Mint set, pics of some toned coins :)

I have been calling coin dealers all over The NY area and have been having no luck with finding 48-58 mint sets image When they do say that they have them i go down there and its a made up set in capital holders image I had some extra cash and i rolled the dice on a set via ebay with some terrible pics but at $225 i felt i could at least get my cash back if i didnt like the coins. Now my picture taking skills are far from great but i did my best. All i did was hold the coins in my hand aiming them basically out the sliding door for the natural day light to make the colors pop. What i find very different is that many of the coins have yellow toning which imo looks very cool image Here is a few coins in the set, all the others i didnt take pics of pretty much have similiar toning.

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    AT, although the TPG's have been grading them anyway.
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>AT, although the TPG's have been grading them anyway. >>



    If these bag due to being AT ill give you a 100 bux lol. My terrible picture taking must be making the color look off.
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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>AT, although the TPG's have been grading them anyway. >>



    If these bag due to being AT ill give you a 100 bux lol. My terrible picture taking must be making the color look off. >>



    The color looks enhanced to me.
    Did you mess with the saturation at all? It could just be the yellow light conditions I suppose.
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


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    << <i>AT, although the TPG's have been grading them anyway. >>



    If these bag due to being AT ill give you a 100 bux lol. My terrible picture taking must be making the color look off. >>



    The color looks enhanced to me.
    Did you mess with the saturation at all? It could just be the yellow light conditions I suppose. >>



    I did an auto fix. Ill take another pic of the last coin but wont auto fix it this time. Post it in a minute.
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭
    there is less sun light now and in this pic i did no fixing just cropped the photo. Im using a super cheap camera and have no idea how to mess with the settings at all.

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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    I'm going with Bushmaster here ; the coins look like roll coins and the color is not right for natural mint set tone .

    It is very hard, in fact near impossible - to "call around" and expect to find any totally orig. mint sets .

    They are very far and few between and there are more then a few "special" buyers that make the rounds often of local shops in search of the 48-58

    mint sets
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,483 ✭✭✭✭
    I simply do not understand this fascination with color since it does not affect the numismatic grade nor does it present the coin in an as minted state.
    All it does is make it pretty to look at, perhaps piquing the curiosity of some newbie. To pay ridiculous sums for such augmentation, especially when it is unknown whether or not it may be natural, is just beyond my reasoning.
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>I simply do not understand this fascination with color since it does not affect the numismatic grade nor does it present the coin in an as minted state.
    All it does is make it pretty to look at, perhaps piquing the curiosity of some newbie. To pay ridiculous sums for such augmentation, especially when it is unknown whether or not it may be natural, is just beyond my reasoning. >>



    I agree with you 100%. That color is simply just nice to look at and that is about it. I have yet to pay stupid money for toned coins and dont think i ever will. I will say it is a fact that very experienced collectors will pay HUGE premiums for a coin with exceptional color, not just newbies. If thats what floats there boat then so be it better them than me or you. ALso the color on the coins is natural im 100% on that. My pics i will admit suck as you can see and makes them look radioactive lol.
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm going with Bushmaster here ; the coins look like roll coins and the color is not right for natural mint set tone .

    It is very hard, in fact near impossible - to "call around" and expect to find any totally orig. mint sets .

    They are very far and few between and there are more then a few "special" buyers that make the rounds often of local shops in search of the 48-58

    mint sets >>



    Ive actually had pretty good luck just simply calling around and asking until recently.
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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    Those coins do look AT, but honestly I think it's just your images that make them look AT.

    I'll bet if these coins were imaged by some of our photographers on this site they would look NT, but it's very hard to tell from those images.
    "It is what it is."
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    << <i>Those coins do look AT, but honestly I think it's just your images that make them look AT.

    I'll bet if these coins were imaged by some of our photographers on this site they would look NT, but it's very hard to tell from those images. >>



    No offence, but some photographers here can make any coin look NT.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW!! Nice color for sure!!image
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    RebelRonRebelRon Posts: 544 ✭✭


    << <i>I simply do not understand this fascination with color since it does not affect the numismatic grade nor does it present the coin in an as minted state.
    All it does is make it pretty to look at, perhaps piquing the curiosity of some newbie. To pay ridiculous sums for such augmentation, especially when it is unknown whether or not it may be natural, is just beyond my reasoning. >>

    I guess, "to each his own"is the best part of coin collecting.Personally,toned coins are an acquired taste and I will pay a premium.
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    Not to throw caution to the wind an actually disagree with some pretty knowledgeable folks in this thread but....the coins look 100% NT, mint set toned...I have pulled dozens of coins from original sets with the same toning and they all graded. His images aren't great but frankly...if you know how to image coins then you should know how these coins would look in hand as far as the color being a bit more subdued. Also keep in mind the angles he is using...if the coin were shot straight on the toning would be present but less dramatic and we all try to image our coins in the best light and at the best angles so I can see what he was attempting to do. Color wise these coins would sell for a premium....grade wise it probably isn't worth the submission but you never know?

    As far as the old mint state argument....which makes me laugh really hard every time I hear it......coins were meant to be used in everyday commerce and not meant to be struck and sit in hoppers at the mint so the idea of Mint state is really a fallacy anyway. If a coin has no wear it is in Mint State as struck...the addition of microscopic layers of silver sulphide in no way take the coin out of mint state anymore than a jar of jewel luster.....you can't have it both ways people........surface changes at the micro level are surface changes at the micro level so don't try to lay a definition on one type of coin while turning a blind eye as to how that same definition comes back to buy you own collecting habits in the butt.....
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>Those coins do look AT, but honestly I think it's just your images that make them look AT.

    I'll bet if these coins were imaged by some of our photographers on this site they would look NT, but it's very hard to tell from those images. >>



    PC send me a PM with who you recommend for doing some photo work for me. I have many coins i would like imaged and since i cant do it might as well leave that to someone who can image
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,315 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Those coins do look AT, but honestly I think it's just your images that make them look AT.

    I'll bet if these coins were imaged by some of our photographers on this site they would look NT, but it's very hard to tell from those images. >>



    PC send me a PM with who you recommend for doing some photo work for me. I have many coins i would like imaged and since i cant do it might as well leave that to someone who can image >>




    Some of us image our own, but there are some forum members who do imaging for a small fee.
    Mark (Mgoodm3), Jeremy (Airplanenut), and Todd (Blu62vette) are some of them. There are a few others as well.

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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    Well........... if you are 100% sure then the issue is moot ;

    however , take the pix of the first coin posted,

    tilted I can see that the color on the bottom left @ 6 to 9 o'clock rolls/flows onto the edge

    - this is not typical of the hundreds of mint sets I have broken up ...........
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    Love the toning on the 57 p franklin.
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    << <i>If these bag due to being AT ill give you a 100 bux lol. My terrible picture taking must be making the color look off. >>



    Send the $ to
    Greg Lewis
    Box 413
    Plainfield, IL 60544

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    and they're cold.
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


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    << <i>If these bag due to being AT ill give you a 100 bux lol. My terrible picture taking must be making the color look off. >>



    Send the $ to
    Greg Lewis
    Box 413
    Plainfield, IL 60544

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    When i send them and they do bag your cash will be sent image If they dont do i get anything image
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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you should have asked before offering the $100.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bushmaster....I want a cut of that $100!!!!

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look ok to me.
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    MadMonkMadMonk Posts: 3,743
    I am in the AT camp..
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    << <i>Well........... if you are 100% sure then the issue is moot ;

    however , take the pix of the first coin posted,

    tilted I can see that the color on the bottom left @ 6 to 9 o'clock rolls/flows onto the edge

    - this is not typical of the hundreds of mint sets I have broken up ........... >>




    We will have to disagree on this one becuase of two key point....as already discussed...the pictures aren't that good so determining the extent of the color roll over on the edge is impossible. #2 not all mint set coins are properly fully seated in the carboard, I have seen probably 5 or more frankies that the edges were toned in a similar color to the rest of the coin since the coin was not completly wedged into the card board opening. I will see if I captures this in any of my past pictures though I usually cropped the coin edges in my photos.
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    Best examples I can find considering I don't tilt my coins at that much of an angle...all of these were all out of mint sets and all graded at NGC...



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    Heck I can find tons of other denominations that exhibit the exact same thing image


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    I think I still have a few mint set toned coins at home so i can see if there are more with similar edge toning rollover......
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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What? No nickels? Nice catch!


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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭
    After playing with my cheap cameras settings and the help from a very helpful forum member i was able to get a more realistic picture image

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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>What? No nickels? Nice catch!


    Leo >>



    There was actually one really nice one. Imo most of the sets the nickels dont really tone that nice, ive only seen a hand full that i would call exceptional.
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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    Shane,

    you make a valid argument ;

    we would have to see the coins in hand to make a definitive opinion
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    deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    they will grade at pcgs or ngc !
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    << <i>Shane,

    you make a valid argument ;

    we would have to see the coins in hand to make a definitive opinion >>




    I would agree with that statment in reference to these coins and most image
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coins look NT to me -- the color is like off in the pictures, which may lead some to think they are AT. However, the coins look like they were target toned in an album, but I have seen coins like those in mint sets as well.
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    GATGAT Posts: 3,146
    I won't touch a toned coin unless I see a shadow around the devices and I see none on these coins.
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>I won't touch a toned coin unless I see a shadow around the devices and I see none on these coins. >>



    You wont really find that sort of toning from mint set coins. You mostly see that on morgans from bag toning i believe.
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    << <i>they will grade at pcgs or ngc ! >>



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    rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 972 ✭✭✭✭
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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I won't touch a toned coin unless I see a shadow around the devices and I see none on these coins. >>



    You wont really find that sort of toning from mint set coins. You mostly see that on morgans from bag toning i believe. >>



    I have never seen that type of toning on washingtons, franklins, or roosies. I believe that only exists on bag toned morgans. Are there any other series that this type of toning occurs?
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    So...........we got some saying they will slab- and some saying they won't ; all from interpretation of pix .

    one sure way to find out image

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