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bgs vs. sgc
Justfishinjj
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If I had a Mickey mantle rookie card graded by either one of these companies and they were the same grade, which would you rather have and why? Or if you have another company that compares, please share why they are as good.
Error and RC collector.
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PSA from 90 and back ...
SGC if fine for anything pre 91 as well.....
Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
<< <i>beckett (bvg) but with low grade cards I would compare the cards not necessarily companies, there can be big differences in the same company for those types of cards (eye appeal) no matter who they are... >>
I would hope one would always look at the cards and not the holders regardless of grade.
<< <i>I plan to get a mick rookie someday and it will be SGC. On the two choices listed I would rather have a PSA one. Main reason on all choices is consistency of the grading company. >>
Well the problem with psa is the start up fee for me. I don't send in enough cards to make it worth paying a sign up fee. I like to pay for individual cards. I have used both, but I was wondering what other collectors would desire for resale purposes.
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<< <i>I plan to get a mick rookie someday and it will be SGC. On the two choices listed I would rather have a PSA one. Main reason on all choices is consistency of the grading company. >>
Well the problem with psa is the start up fee for me. I don't send in enough cards to make it worth paying a sign up fee. I like to pay for individual cards. I have used both, but I was wondering what other collectors would desire for resale purposes. >>
Well, "if" you had a Mantle rookie, I'm guessing the "start up fee" wouldn't be an issue... I'm guessing a Bennie and change doesn't buy as much as it used to.
There is vintage cards graded under the regular BGS label, but this was before they came out with BVG, but any cards graded today from 1980 and before will be slabbed in a BVG case.
PSA and BGS are the only companies that matter to me, all others are just a side show...
1) Resale = PSA
2) protection and the best holder possible = BVG
SGC =Can't think of a reason really.. Hate the holders not only the looks but the protection factor as well..
SGC second as they know what they are doing when it comes to grading older cards.
Beckett third for the holder/protection, but not the grade.
JMHO...Donato
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<< <i>Beckett hands down. They are the best or at least just as strict as psa when it comes to post war cards. >>
Wow thanks for the laugh. It's been a bad day.
If you have a shiney, sweet, sick, mojo, patch, auto'd, Blue RC Refractor of someone who will be working in a 7-11 in 3 years then BGS is the way to go.
If you have anything made during Griffey Jr's rookie year or before I would avoid BGS
Jus Sayin'
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<< <i>Beckett hands down. They are the best or at least just as strict as psa when it comes to post war cards. >>
Wow thanks for the laugh. It's been a bad day.
If you have a shiney, sweet, sick, mojo, patch, auto'd, Blue RC Refractor of someone who will be working in a 7-11 in 3 years then BGS is the way to go.
If you have anything made during Griffey Jr's rookie year or before I would avoid BGS
Jus Sayin' >>
I don't know.. it pays to do research...
I use both PSA and BGS depending on the card..
There are many cards from 1980's that sell for quite a bit more in a BGS slab..
Take any of the Major rc's from the 1988 Fleer set for instance.. Most will sell for double in a BGS slab compared to PSA
like the Rodman,miller,stockton,pippen and Jordan #17 and 120
A pippen PSA 10 can be had for 200.00 where I sold a BGS 9.5 pippen for 450.00 then the guy turned around and got 500.00 I see the same thing with the others mentioned...
BUT.. that's where research comes in I made sure I subbed the Clyde Drexler to PSA since it's the lowest pop in the set and got 750.00 for the card due to the Registery...(and registery only) BGS would have only gave the card a 8.5-9.0 due to a couple print dots
Saying to avoid BGS for anything pre 1989 is just nonsense...
Jus Sayin.
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I don't know.. it pays to do research...
I use both PSA and BGS depending on the card..
There are many cards from 1980's that sell for quite a bit more in a BGS slab..
Take any of the Major rc's from the 1988 Fleer set for instance.. Most will sell for double in a BGS slab compared to PSA
like the Rodman,miller,stockton,pippen and Jordan #17 and 120
A pippen PSA 10 can be had for 200.00 where I sold a BGS 9.5 pippen for 450.00 then the guy turned around and got 500.00 I see the same thing with the others mentioned...
BUT.. that's where research comes in I made sure I subbed the Clyde Drexler to PSA since it's the lowest pop in the set and got 750.00 for the card due to the Registery...(and registery only) BGS would have only gave the card a 8.5-9.0 due to a couple print dots
Saying to avoid BGS for anything pre 1989 is just nonsense...
Jus Sayin. >>
8or so years ago I might have agreed with you but BGS is pumping out more 9.5's than you can shake a stick at.
When they 1st got into the grading business they were super tough with grades as they were trying to make their mark.
Now. Not so much
I agree with just about everyone else. PSA or SGC is the way to go. You will get a better return on you investment if you ever have to sell using PSA or SGC.
SGC if its for my own collection. Someone mentioned they didnt like the holder protection? They are normally tougher to crack than PSA and make the card jump out more. Great eye appeal with those black borders.
BVG I normally run away from unless I find something I want to take a chance at crossing over.
BGS is for the modern and for what ever reason, a large portion of the basketball collectors. I wouldnt touch ANYTHING pre 90 BGS. Way too many sheet cuts and trimmed cards. 9.5s are handed out like candy. No problem with the shiney stuff though. Seems like that stuff sells better in BGS slabs. Seems like the choice of younger than 25 crowd for modern.
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I don't know.. it pays to do research...
I use both PSA and BGS depending on the card..
There are many cards from 1980's that sell for quite a bit more in a BGS slab..
Take any of the Major rc's from the 1988 Fleer set for instance.. Most will sell for double in a BGS slab compared to PSA
like the Rodman,miller,stockton,pippen and Jordan #17 and 120
A pippen PSA 10 can be had for 200.00 where I sold a BGS 9.5 pippen for 450.00 then the guy turned around and got 500.00 I see the same thing with the others mentioned...
BUT.. that's where research comes in I made sure I subbed the Clyde Drexler to PSA since it's the lowest pop in the set and got 750.00 for the card due to the Registery...(and registery only) BGS would have only gave the card a 8.5-9.0 due to a couple print dots
Saying to avoid BGS for anything pre 1989 is just nonsense...
Jus Sayin. >>
8or so years ago I might have agreed with you but BGS is pumping out more 9.5's than you can shake a stick at.
When they 1st got into the grading business they were super tough with grades as they were trying to make their mark.
Now. Not so much >>
My examples are current like this year current...
Don't tell me PSA doesn't pop out 10's like candy either... look at the crud 4SC sells
Take a look on VCP sometime...
Why limit yourself to ONE company and leave money on the table?
<< <i>PSA if Im reselling
SGC if its for my own collection. Someone mentioned they didnt like the holder protection? They are normally tougher to crack than PSA and make the card jump out more. Great eye appeal with those black borders.
BVG I normally run away from unless I find something I want to take a chance at crossing over.
BGS is for the modern and for what ever reason, a large portion of the basketball collectors. I wouldnt touch ANYTHING pre 90 BGS. Way too many sheet cuts and trimmed cards. 9.5s are handed out like candy. No problem with the shiney stuff though. Seems like that stuff sells better in BGS slabs. Seems like the choice of younger than 25 crowd for modern. >>
"holder protection" meaning I don't like the way my card is protected in the slab... Nothing to do with cracking although both PSA and SGC open way too easy.. and yes SGC is just as easy to open as PSA (for me atleast)
How many sheets of 1980's Fleer basketball you seen around lately? And if the they "hand out 9.5's like candy" why is the population so low for these sets?
1986 Fleer = 25,738 cards graded = 2,097 gem mints
1987 Fleer = 4,595 cards graded = 258 gems
1988 Fleer = 9,053 cards graded = 301 gems
This is handing out gems like crazy?? seems like a very low percentage to me..
I can Personally Speak for subbing around 100 of those 301 Gems for the 1988 Fleer set and I can assure not one was sheet cut or trim..
However I Do know one of the big 3 has a TON of trimmed 1988 fleers floating around in their slabs but that is for a different place..
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Saying to avoid BGS for anything pre 1989 is just nonsense...
Jus Sayin. >>
Agreed. I have sent in cards to all 3 and have found that BVG/BGS to be the most strict when it comes to getting a mint grade. Theyre standards are slightly higher because the card has to be no less than 45/55 both ways in centering.
Your 80s Fleer basketball are not the only cards they grade. Not such a good example or should I say an example for your own benefit?
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Your 80s Fleer basketball are not the only cards they grade. Not such a good example or should I say an example for your own benefit? >>
<< <i>Dizzle
Your 80s Fleer basketball are not the only cards they grade. Not such a good example or should I say an example for your own benefit? >>
No It doesn't benefit me one bit... If anything it makes me the Black sheep of these boards and pi$$es people off.. what benefit exactly is this gaining me?? It Just drives me crazy when I hear Anything pre 1990 send it to PSA when in fact to maximize profits you should be using both... in your post I quoted You said "basketball guys" so I used the main 1980's basketball sets as an example..
Anyhow I've made Bets and offers to members of the board in the past I'll extend one to you as well..
I'll send a group of 30 cards to PSA pre 1989 among those will be 5 sheet cuts if PSA grades the sheet cuts how about you paypal me 200.00 if they catch them I'll paypal you the funds.. sound good?
EDIT TO ADD: Go crawl back up your mommas A$$ GIO "Kneel"
The original question was involving a Mantle rookie. Are you aware that the the Mantle rookie is from 1951? You are talking about late 80's as if they are vintage- which is entirely up to you and your opinion. BVG is the XFL and PSA is the NFL of card grading. Sir, you may be correct about stuff after 1986 with Beckett; but pre 1980 Beckett is terrible. Don't you think there's a reason why the most expensive cards in the world are not graded by Beckett-There opinion is not respected by vintage collectors.
And here is the biggie that just can't be ignored=====they knowingly grade sheet cut cards which kills the legitimacy of it all..period. And yes, PSA & SGC have there share of screw ups; but nothing like beckett. Doesn't beckett also have some cheap grading besides BVG that just totally is awful?
Mickey71
<< <i>Dizzle,
The original question was involving a Mantle rookie. Are you aware that the the Mantle rookie is from 1951? You are talking about late 80's as if they are vintage- which is entirely up to you and your opinion. BVG is the XFL and PSA is the NFL of card grading. Sir, you may be correct about stuff after 1986 with Beckett; but pre 1980 Beckett is terrible. Don't you think there's a reason why the most expensive cards in the world are not graded by Beckett-There opinion is not respected by vintage collectors.
And here is the biggie that just can't be ignored=====they knowingly grade sheet cut cards which kills the legitimacy of it all..period. And yes, PSA & SGC have there share of screw ups; but nothing like beckett. Doesn't beckett also have some cheap grading besides BVG that just totally is awful?
Mickey71 >>
Yeah no Kidding Mickey? I'm not stupid you really have to ask me if I'm aware that the Mantle rc is From 1951??
I'm not responding to the OP get it??
I'm responding to those in the thread that stated "anything pre 1989 should not be sent to BGS period" get it?? why don't you go back and read the whole thread..
Would I send them some 1979 OPC hockey?? Hell no...
Would I send them some 1980's stuff you bet...
That's all I'm saying...
You guys crack me up I'm aware of every of problem Beckett has but you know what.. I will continue to use them for certain stuff cause I'm not gonna leave money on the table I guess that makes me dumb...
Sorry for upsetting anybody I didn't realize this is a life and death situation for some of you..
I'll quit replying and let yall be right cause that's all you want anyway.. I have better things to do than back up VALID points to people who don't understand or even wanna hear..
Have a splending day..
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That's all I'm saying...
You guys crack me up I'm aware of every of problem Beckett has but you know what.. I will continue to use them for certain stuff cause I'm not gonna leave money on the table I guess that makes me dumb...
Sorry for upsetting anybody I didn't realize this is a life and death situation for some of you..
I'll quit replying and let yall be right cause that's all you want anyway.. I have better things to do than back up VALID points to people who don't understand or even wanna hear..
Have a splending day.. >>
dont take them seriously. Of course people here is going to bash Beckett. This is a psa forum. In reality its like asking what is better? a ford or a chevy?
HOLDERS- BGS /BVG most protective but color,gloss and clarity of card becomes muted by slab thickness and cloudy inner sleave (not sure why they don't use clear mylar?) PSA/SGC allow for the best image but card can be dameged if dropped just right.
<< <i>CONSISTENCY in high grade material- A BGS/BVG 9 ALWAYS looks like a 9 and is well centered. PSA and SGC are great but many times low grade 9's can be very dissapointing- too many tilts and single corner wear/chipping and off centered (occurs too frequently- we all own a few). In gem mint condition I like PSA 10's the best though- cards have the best surface characteristics (color, gloss and focus).
HOLDERS- BGS /BVG most protective but color,gloss and clarity of card becomes muted by slab thickness and cloudy inner sleave (not sure why they don't use clear mylar?) PSA/SGC allow for the best image but card can be dameged if dropped just right. >>
<< <i>Please dont cry, dizzle. >>
seriously, go back to counting your Pujols cards.
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<< <i>Please dont cry, dizzle. >>
seriously, go back to counting your Pujols cards. >>
Seriously though.
If its working out for him and he's happy more power to him. If Money is the main focus of the hobby (As it tends to be with the modern card collectors) Then I don't blame him for playing the Beckett card. If the Modern collectors want to pay each other for cards they obviously feel are worth it, so be it. But make no mistake, there is a Reason their not trading in any serious vintage stuff.
I collect cards first and foremost. I don't collect them as an investment or ever to expect any money in return on them.
I collect them for the reason most older collectors do. To be able to recapture those childhood memories of card collecting for
no other reason than the FUN we got from collecting our chilhood heroes and to chew gobs of that ever tasty gum! And to flip and trade
them on the sidewalk outside. To sort them into teams and then into players and back again. To carry stack in your back pocket.
Ahh, Those were the days. Not a care in the world. A shoebox full of beat up cards and rubberbands.
Unfortunately Younger modern collectors will never be able to experience collecting in its purest form as we did when we were kids. It was all about the CARDS! There were no card savers, no price guides, No Card Graders(What the hell is that?) IT was the CARDS, and while I spend lots of money on them now days it still about obtaing the CARDS. If I never get one red dime back from them It was money well spent for the pure joy I got from just having those cards.
Like Dizzy I choose the TPGer that best works for my hobby needs. I need accurate and consistant grading. I need knowledgable and honest customer service from people who put their customers needs first and foremost. And last but not least I need a fantastic end product that is second to none to display my cherished CARDS. This is why I choose SGC for my Personel Collection. I maintain many PSA cards as well.
Its your hobby
1969 Topps Reggie RC
<< <i>Beckett hands down. They are the best or at least just as strict as psa when it comes to post war cards. >>
that is the worst advice i have seen in a long time...
you put a vintage card in Beckett holder and POW,it gets the stigma that "something is wrong with it, otherwise why is it in there"
i should have known the Beckett Defender would be in this thread DIZZLE
Guy will not take any negative talk about Beckett, he will post and POst and Post until you agree with him that beckett is the best!
simple example of BGS not as good as PSA in modern:
Pujols 2001 Upper deck Rookie BGS 9.5 ..average price on ebay $124
in PSA 10 its $145 average....big percent difference
DIZZLE PLEASE GO BACK TO THE KIDDIES ON THE BECKETT BOARDS
IF THEY ARE SO GREAT, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS AT THE PSA BOARDS?
<< <i>1969 Topps Reggie RC >>
Here is your chance to get a rare card at a discount price.
So says the seller, oh reserve not met.
lol
Steve