this seller has 2 carson city rolls on ebay... any chance they're legit?

joebb21

on ebay

TwoSides2aCoin

Let me ask a question:
If one had a roll of UNCs and an 1889 was at one end, and the possibility existed that a $30,000 + coin was there, would that person sell it on eBay this way ?

The rolls from the Carson City Bank are likely legit. The "go fish" for the unknown is also a legitimate way to win big, and/or learn fast what "Go Fish" is about.
~from one joe to another~
Let's not go fishing and say we did.

ambro51

The account seems to have been inactive for a year (unless Im misreading things).

No coin sales at all, only clothing.

"Too Good To Be True" factor is showing up here.

.........but "paypal protects" etc etc etc. BUT if you open them....then you are not able to return them in the condition as sold. A ''catch 22 " if ever there was one.

Seems difficult to accept that someone would buy these, especially NOT a coin person, and not tear into them. the lure of an unc 89CC seems to be very strong.

Hey, go on, buy them. pay with paypal and let us know how ya make out.

Mercury10c

Would you buy an expensive roll of coins from a guy with this feedback?
"Cute tops, thank you!"
"Great shirts!! Recommended Seller!"
"as described gr8 clothes!"
"Wow, Fast Shipping, good price, size was bit too long but as described !!!!!"
"Awesome hoodies. great products at a great price. thanks!!!! A++++++++++++++++++"
"loved the shoes very fast shipping A++++++++++++++++++"
"A++++ seller fast shipping loved the shoes"

DennisH

No... not a chance they're legit.

johnny9434

I wouldnt say legit. Like anything else its a crap shoot

joebb21

ha- yes I didnt plan on bidding- what I was looking more for- was someone who knows cc bank roles to say whether those were the type of roles cc's came in

HoledandCreative

He doesn't say it is a roll of CCs. One CC and the rest are 89 Phillies. He is going to do very well on the roll. Purely misleading rhetoric. Borderline fraud. Report it!

sf340flier

I actually have heard of short rolls, but have never seen one in hand.

Risk factor is very high on this one. Very unlikely to find the 89-cc. It bothers me that he has a cc on one end and the 89 on the other...very suspicious. Otoh, maybe he only knows about clothes and knows nothing about coins. Maybe this is an 1800's short roll from a Nevada bank and the seller has no clue what he has. Whoever wins this roll is really making a multi-thousand dollar bet that the seller knows nothing about coins and is legit.

If it were me, and I was interested, I would get a bunch more pictures of the roll from the seller.

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Steve27

I just couldn't help but notice, the seller talks about the "CC" end coin, but never shows a pic of that end of the roll. I wonder if that end shows the roll has already been opened?

CommemDude

WOW, 25 years after the advent of the TPGs, which I thought would put an end to misrepresented coins, there is always a new angle to work on the naive.

Has anyone gotten any information about all those sealed 1940s proof sets on ebay that sold recently for a huge premium, or does
anyone recall the guy on the forum here who was buying High Relief St Gaudens for $5000 from an "estate" and had convinced himself that it was all going to work out..what ever happened to that guy by the way?

Placid

Auction is over. I guess I missed out

ambro51

................in about three days, somebody will get a little box in the mail. Out will come a small paper roll, with 10 silver dollars in it.

He will open it, and find six 1889 CC coins, all brilliant uncirculated, and four uncirculated 1893 S coins.


Later that day, he will join the collectors universe forum...and post pictures of his brand new finds, and give that seller some amazing feedback.


**Cant Happen??**


...........it certainly COULD happen!


(but probably not)

pmac

<< <i>................in about three days, somebody will get a little box in the mail. Out will come a small paper roll, with 10 silver dollars in it.

He will open it, and find six 1889 CC coins, all brilliant uncirculated, and four uncirculated 1893 S coins.


Later that day, he will join the collectors universe forum...and post pictures of his brand new finds, and give that seller some amazing feedback.


**Cant Happen??**


...........it certainly COULD happen!

(but probably not) >>


In the same tone as this post, he'll sell them and reinvest in rare gold dollars.

PerryHall

If it's legit (and that's a big if), expect a lot of cleaned sliders or worse in the rolls.

ziggy29

There's a chance that there are ten silver dollars in here, yes.

Tdec1000

Wouldn't it be funny if there were a bunch of ike's in the middle.

19Lyds

I don't know but I would question the authenticity of an "original roll" that had a bright white coin on one end. I would have expected at least some toning near the edges.

tmcsr69

It appears to me that this auction was won by a shill bidder. We may see this auction again soon.

devious

these same rolls were being sold before by a lady and it was brought up on these forums. the carson city trust bank or whatever. she stopped selling them after she received news here. maybe the person here selling them is the guy who she was selling them for and she no longer wanted to participate in the foolry so she gave him back his coins?

coinguy1

<< <i>It appears to me that this auction was won by a shill bidder. We may see this auction again soon. >>

Based on what? I don't see anything to indicate a shill.

BigE

I agree with 19lyds. after 120 years the end roll coin would have a little toning going on-------BigE

ambro51

Its too bad ebay went with the 'hidden bidder' way of auctions...it would be fun to contact the buyer in a week and say "hey buddy what'cha find in there anyway?"

someone should keep an eye on the sellers feedback and see if anything materializes. It looks like from the one roll there were end papers, perhaps this prevented tarnish?

tmcsr69

<< <i>

<< <i>It appears to me that this auction was won by a shill bidder. We may see this auction again soon. >>

Based on what? I don't see anything to indicate a shill. >>



Nothing is definitive, but when I see a variety of bidders with a high percentage of activity with a seller, I become suspicious. IMHO, 3 bidders with over 25% bid activity with this seller points towards shill bidders.

magikbilly

Hi there,

Devious has a good memory - I recall seeing these in the threads here with the last 4 months or so. Someone tried to look the bank up. Same things I believe.

Best,
Eric

relicsncoins

<< <i>Its too bad ebay went with the 'hidden bidder' way of auctions...it would be fun to contact the buyer in a week and say "hey buddy what'cha find in there anyway?"

someone should keep an eye on the sellers feedback and see if anything materializes. It looks like from the one roll there were end papers, perhaps this prevented tarnish? >>



Once the buyer leaves feedback, you can see who won the auction.

joshieboi

The legitimacy of these rolls are somewhat in question. But the legitimacy of the bank actually exists. I have done adequate research in reference to the Carson City Trust State Bank. Most of the rolls contain filler coins, but very rich DMPL surfaces in the 10-stack short rolls. 4-5 of the 10 coins are actually from CC the rest are other coins who's top date is 1897. In all the rolls, no coin will go above 1897. These rolls may have common dates but most of the dates are VAM's and pretty decent ones at that. Most will range from PL-MS63 to a DMPL-MS65. But as it has been stated, it's a risky venture due to the "placebo" factor that you will be getting all CC's.

Here's the link to the bank if you're interested
Carson City State Trust Bank

segoja

There is NO chance anyhting valuable is i that roll. Someone paid $380/coin for coins taht will likely be worth a total of $380...not per coin.

Another fraud

segoja

To add, you couldn't line up a better fruad date wise. 1889 on one end, likely a "P" mint, and one $120 low end "CC". It does not make an 1889-CC, although it implies that.

Lewy

I actually don't see why it could not be legitimate. I had inherited a few rolls of dollars a few years ago before I knew the first thing about coins (they were not 1889 CC, but dates and mm that showed on all rolls were the same, and they appeared to be UNC in my opinion).

Mine did not have end caps though, and I did notice that the end caps on these auction rolls had been completely removed, and then replaced for whatever reason. I may be a bit naive, but I would not doubt that they were all of the same date and mm until they were in hand, although I think that I would have 'asked' if all coins showing were 1889 and CC, and maybe for more pictures without the end caps.

devious

link to old thread regarding another seller selling these very same rolls...

click here for old thread link

MsMorrisine

<< <i>The legitimacy of these rolls are somewhat in question. But the legitimacy of the bank actually exists. I have done adequate research in reference to the Carson City Trust State Bank. Most of the rolls contain filler coins, but very rich DMPL surfaces in the 10-stack short rolls. 4-5 of the 10 coins are actually from CC the rest are other coins who's top date is 1897. In all the rolls, no coin will go above 1897. These rolls may have common dates but most of the dates are VAM's and pretty decent ones at that. Most will range from PL-MS63 to a DMPL-MS65. But as it has been stated, it's a risky venture due to the "placebo" factor that you will be getting all CC's.

Here's the link to the bank if you're interested
Carson City State Trust Bank >>




I still don't see any history for this bank.

There are results, but none show "Carson City Trust Bank"


And, as was mentioned, the font on Nevada is a modern font.

Lakesammman

A couple short rolls on ebay this week too, nearly a year later.

howards

Auction removed by eBay - now I can't go look at it.

clackamas

Poof

ebaytrader

<< <i>Poof >>



They tend to do that after nearly a year.

morgansforever

I started one not to long ago, same guy same I assume.
They're legit, it's a roll of Morgans, and one or two may be CC's,
but what is the rest of the contents? Googled Carson City State Trust Bank,
and all I get is links to the CU forums about these. The roll in the link sold for $7125,
plus $16 shipping for a roll of 20, $357 per coin, ouchy.


CC roll link

morgansforever

<<Auction is over. I guess I missed out >>

You didn't miss out, he still has two listings going.
Wish I had a never ending supply of CC Morgan rolls.
Some guys have all the luck. I see "grey sheets" under the rolls,
but he's not really into coins, just sells them on consignment.

cc roll 1

cc roll 2


EDIT: Both listings contain the same pic of an obverse.

ArriJacob

At it again and eBay won't take them down!

See eBay item: 260773899075

Casman

linkified


Either the seller is a super fast shipper or the buyers a phoney, leaves + feedback the day after listing ends?

MsMorrisine

ridiculous money and still not yanked.

MadMarty

I like that all the roll sales were to this buyer!!

Smooth & Uneventful Transaction, Quick Delivery, Asset to Ebay. AAA+++ Member id jimd3478 ( Feedback Score Of 126) Apr-19-11 09:31
Super RARE Morgan Dollar Carson City Bank Roll Nevada (#250804720048) US $4,601.00 View Item Super RARE Morgan Dollar Carson City Bank Roll Nevada


There is 4 or 5 of them, sure wish I had $20,000+ to spend on rolls!!!

Res

<< <i>I like that all the roll sales were to this buyer!!

Smooth & Uneventful Transaction, Quick Delivery, Asset to Ebay. AAA+++ Member id jimd3478 ( Feedback Score Of 126) Apr-19-11 09:31
Super RARE Morgan Dollar Carson City Bank Roll Nevada (#250804720048) US $4,601.00 View Item Super RARE Morgan Dollar Carson City Bank Roll Nevada


There is 4 or 5 of them, sure wish I had $20,000+ to spend on rolls!!! >>



Both from Arkansas also.

partagas

Look at feedback from this buyer , coincidently from a different seller then the op's. Look further in the feedback. Good ol jimd is a buyer of a two rolls with glowing feedback. Scam run to the hills.


NGC ruled 2 end coins improperly cleaned, no ms64, all ms 60-63, worth $1100 dartcap ( 692) Apr-20-11 15:01
ULTRA RARE SEALED Morgan Dollar CC State Bank Roll (#250775491901) US $3,251.00 View Item
Smooth & Uneventful Transaction, Quick Delivery, Asset to Ebay AAAA++++ jimd3478 ( 126) Apr-19-11 09:35
ULTRA RARE SEALED Morgan Dollar CC State Bank Roll (#250803010084) US $4,558.90 View Item



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