1959-1964 jeffersons with super color.

djdilliodon

Does anyone have any 1959-1964 jeffersons with exceptional color they would like to share? I personally have only seen a handful of them and owned only one. I wanna build a set soon so wanna see some examples. Thanks.

Type2

Here is a proof I found in a proof set. Hard to get all the colors.

keets

i have individual pictures of the coins in the group, i just have to find them. i also have other pictures of some nicely toned coins for most dates through the early 1970's but i have to find them, also.

TomB

Severaly years ago PCGS slabbed what I consider an enormous bucket of AT proofs of this era.

keets

thanks for the input and subtle slam, Tom.

i have this 1962 in a PCGS holder, another 1962 in an ANACS holder and a third still in the intact Mint cello which all have strikingly similar color. along with the well known FACT that the Mint did quite a bit of experimenting with planchet rinses during this era and the other well documented toned coins of this nature(1959-1964 and particularly 1962) it is with utter confidence that i say the toning on the pictured coins is legitimate.

the color coins you may be referring to are essentially mono-colored with a high degree of shine/reflectivity and there seems little doubt that they are AT. both PCGS and NGC initially slabbed them, then stopped and called them AT and then sometimes slabbed them. i have seen a large number of toned coins from this era still in the intact cello, but i have never seen a mono-toned coin such as the AT'd examples in the Mint cello.

TomB

<< <i>thanks for the input and subtle slam, Tom.

i have this 1962 in a PCGS holder, another 1962 in an ANACS holder and a third still in the intact Mint cello which all have strikingly similar color. along with the well known FACT that the Mint did quite a bit of experimenting with planchet rinses during this era and the other well documented toned coins of this nature(1959-1964 and particularly 1962) it is with utter confidence that i say the toning on the pictured coins is legitimate.

the color coins you may be referring to are essentially mono-colored with a high degree of shine/reflectivity and there seems little doubt that they are AT. both PCGS and NGC initially slabbed them, then stopped and called them AT and then sometimes slabbed them. i have seen a large number of toned coins from this era still in the intact cello, but i have never seen a mono-toned coin such as the AT'd examples in the Mint cello. >>


Keets, I was truly not writing about the coins you shared and I hadn't thought that you would think I was, either. I'm writing about the deep, entirely blue or violet pieces that received enormous grades from PCGS and were then blown out on the bourse floor for a few months before the supply that was certified by PCGS dried up. I believe this would be the monochromatic coins that you are writing about, too. I'm certain they still trade when available and are no doubt sold for very aggressive prices, but they are 100% AT in my opinion. However, I like your coins very much.

SUMORADA

DRUNNER

Gentlemen . . .

As has been said before, this (answer) is useless without pix, but I know Tom and Keets are aware of the coins to which I refer.

Several years ago (2006?) I traveled to a Las Vegas show (one of the legitimate ANA or similar, not one of the mass-produced $20 admission things they have going), and shopped for a couple days. On Sunday, I passed a dealer (still remember the last name---Tchor) who had 4 of the most brilliant monochromatic Jeffs in blues/purples I had ever seen. I love Jeffs, and even at the steep $150 price per, I bought 2 of them. I don't pretend to have the knowledge necessary to tell if they are AT or not, but wow, I have never since seen anything like them. They obviously draw attention whenever I show them.

A local shop here broke a massive deal of proof sets around 1998. Literally thousands of 1960-1964s. Guys here devoured 'em for the cameos, but there were MANY of the pastel Jeffs like Keets has posted above. Some vivid, some not so much, but they sold them in the Mint cello for $2-$5 each out of a bowl for maybe 8 months before they were all gone. However, they were waaaaaaay different from the two PCGS toners I got from Tchor in Vegas. Those are so electric they actually have a 'plastic' look to them. I am sure they are several of the ones mentioned above.

I now and then run into 1959-1964 sets with the toned Jeffs. Onviously there was something going on with planchets, planchet prep, or whatever. I'd be interested to find out actually what it was.

Someday I'll learn to post pix and I'll catch up.

Have fun with the Jeffies . .

Drunner

Graphicview

Link to 1961 Jefferson With Irridescent Colors

Please Excuse the Blantant Self-Promotion but could not pass up the opportunity to show this coin I currently have on EBay....

braddick

<< <i>Severaly years ago PCGS slabbed what I consider an enormous bucket of AT proofs of this era. >>



I think Tom was referring to Jeffersons like this one:




Notice it's been recently graded by NGC. I picked it up from an auction with a poor scan that didn't show the color very well.

djdilliodon

I found and still have a couple nicely toned jefferson proofs but what i want to do is go for the MS ones. I have went through a TON of mint sets from 48-58 and while those are easier to find coins with color it seems the jeffs are still even hard to find with monster color. Now 59-64 i would imagine are even harder and is why i wanna do it even more (love a challenge). So far i only have 2 which 1 is a 56 and the other a 57 and are the nicest ive seen so far for those years. Keep them coming guys lets see some MS coins!

beartracks42

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<< <i>Severaly years ago PCGS slabbed what I consider an enormous bucket of AT proofs of this era. >>



I think Tom was referring to Jeffersons like this one:




Notice it's been recently graded by NGC. I picked it up from an auction with a poor scan that didn't show the color very well. >>



I am sure that this coin has the look that TomB referred to, and I have one very similar to it and also one that is a very "HOT PINK" color all over. These coins and several more I got from Frank the pug at FUN in the early 2000's. I think that Frank and everyone who saw them thought that they were 100% AT.

keets

Tom, i understand about the type of coins that Pat showed and stated as much in my reply. please accept my apology for misinterpreting your reply, i guess i inferred what i did because it was immediately following the pictures i posted.

-----------these blatant AT'd Jeffersons first made their appearance prior to the 2003 ANA Convention and were all over the floor at that show. a forum member(s) who will go unnamed is the probable source of origin and another member(s) who shal go unnamed was the primary pipeline to everyone else. it was sort of discouraging, but the coins were snapped up south of $200/coin based on a grade of PR65 and rising with the grade. it seemed to me that they first went through PCGS and then through NGC but the game ended sometime that summer. as usual, there was a good story along with the coins which seemed plausible but everything is understood a little better today.

fcloud

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<< <i>Severaly years ago PCGS slabbed what I consider an enormous bucket of AT proofs of this era. >>



I think Tom was referring to Jeffersons like this one:




Notice it's been recently graded by NGC. I picked it up from an auction with a poor scan that didn't show the color very well. >>



I am sure that this coin has the look that TomB referred to, and I have one very similar to it and also one that is a very "HOT PINK" color all over. These coins and several more I got from Frank the pug at FUN in the early 2000's. I think that Frank and everyone who saw them thought that they were 100% AT. >>



These coins with this type of color came right out of mint and proof sets that way. The fact that some thought they were AT when it was the mint's packaging that caused it to me is just wrong.

keets

fc, i hate to break the news to you but the coins which have the mono-color like the blue one are AT. certainly they come out of the packaging toned and certainly Nickel or Clad coinage(the same composition as Nickels) will tone blue, just not blue that looks like that. it's hard to explain, but without overstating anything i know i'll just say this----you'd need to look at enough coins to know the difference in the two.

ElmerFusterpuck

So how were these mono-toned coins made? Were they gassed or something else? I do remember a rash of these coming out a few years ago. I did find them very attractive, but something inside me said those just don't look right, especially with those lofty price tags.

braddick

Here is one that didn't fool anyone:

Graphicview

I think FC Just has the saturation jacked way up on that picture... I'd bet that is original toning

bushmaster8

<< <i>I think FC Just has the saturation jacked way up on that picture... I'd bet that is original toning >>



No. They really do look just like that; the pic is accurate.

keets

I think FC Just has the saturation jacked way up on that picture... I'd bet that is original toning
No. They really do look just like that; the pic is accurate.

exactly.....................the coins which came out of the "hoard" like the one above looked so electrically vibrant and brilliant that they are unmistakable and easily distinguished from NT coins which come out of the Mint cello. sadly, many were transfixed by the coins and "bet" to the tune of $200++ simply because the coins were in PCGS and NGC holders.

seanq

Here's a blue/violet Jefferson which I took out of the Mint cello personally and submitted to PCGS several years ago. It sorta looks like the NGC coin except not nearly as bright. If the NGC coin were electric, my coin would be the unplugged version.




Sean Reynolds

19Lyds

keets

Sean, your coin demonstrates what i tried to explain.

i have a set of Proof Jeffersons from 1955-1964 which all have the typical blue/violet/pink tone which is normal on CuNi coinage and particularly accentuated on Jeffersons during this timeframe. as your pictures clearly show, color is evident with proper lighting but in a standard straight-on shot the coins look normal. the AT'd versions that fooled everyone look as though they have been "painted" with Dykem layout dye which is available in a variety of colors.