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RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I submitted the two coins below for the PCGS Secure Plus service. As expected, both coins came back at the same grades as before (62 and 55, respectively). The turnaround was fast--five days. The expedited new shipping means that PCGS gets your coins back to you much faster than before.

The holder looks and feels a little different to me. Overall, I think it is a very good concept and will support it with future submissions, when appropriate. image

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My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    That 1799 could nonplus at my house any day. --Jerry
  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice coinsimage

    Were you expected a + opn either?
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As others have pointed out in the past, PCGS doesn't reward originality.

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love the 1799.
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  • PQpeacePQpeace Posts: 4,799 ✭✭✭
    I like both of them !
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    What grades are the same grades?
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I understand it correctly
    to plus it has to be almost the next higher grade,
    is that what you thought?
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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    What are worried or perplexed about? (see definition)image
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    Sorry to hear of your non-plussed submission.

    I don't care what the slab says, those coins are way cool!
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And a little poorer...

    image I coulda had a V8

    Hey - Nice coins by the way.
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I am diggin' those coins.
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    + or no+ or no grade at all, those are some real beautie's in my book!! The 1799 is over the top!image
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,560 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That 1799 could nonplus at my house any day. --Jerry >>


    Mine too. Nice coins.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way cool coins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............I would not be plussed off at all. MJ
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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As l'Inspecteur Clousot would say, "Je suis non plus!"
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  • RogueRogue Posts: 12
    Ugh...the things I'd do for that little gold dollar!!!
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ugh...the things I'd do for that little gold dollar!!! >>



    I'm sure RYKs house needs painting occasionally as well as other chores that Mrs RYK has for him. I don't think he currently employs a personal valet. --jerry
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I will throw you two Longacre Plusses out of sympathy. image
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    WOW!
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No plusses?

    Does that mean they are now considered to be dr... Sorry, I can't bear to write it.image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No plusses?

    Does that mean they are now considered to be dr... Sorry, I can't bear to write it.image >>


    Yes, dreck. image (Unless I get them stickered, that is image )
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • fishteethfishteeth Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love that 1799
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I will throw you two Longacre Plusses out of sympathy. image >>



    I'd never say no to a Sympathy Plus!!! image

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  • coincollector2007coincollector2007 Posts: 109
    Pretty 1799. Keep us posted on your future submissions.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    beautiful dirty red gold both! Coingrats on the new frames for the coins. image

    sorry no plusses; Let me guess: next stop, CAC?

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the gold dollar is a work of art. How can that coin even be'graded'? how do you number, in point, and now half point degrees ofstunning eye appeal and perfection. and then mix ultra rarity, unrecognized ultra rarity and no doubt conditon census in it...and it dosent get a plus...

    and I have seen ugly tarnished washington quarters get the plus. yes sir. thats fair, yup. fair indeed.

    Geez if that were my coin and I had enough money, Id send that BAs^^^d in over and over and over and over and over again until they got sick of seeing it and recognized what great coin it is.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As others have pointed out in the past, PCGS doesn't reward originality. >>



    Not true from my experience, at least with Walking halves. On average, Walkers with "original skin" will get better grades than "blast white" onces with full luster, but may have been dipped (for a comparable number of hits/hairlines on the surfaces). Either that, or they are "peanalizing" the blast white coins.
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That 1799 could nonplus at my house any day. --Jerry >>



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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1799 = image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To answer the questions...

    I do not intend to send them to the CAC at this time. Maybe later. I have had multiple expert opinions on both coins and do not believe that I will further benefit from another one.

    I really did not expect a half upgrade on either coin. The gold dollar is the finest known of the issue (per DW's Dahlonega book), and the 1799 is properly graded (IMO).

    The gold dollar was titled in an annoying way in the previous holder, and the 1799 had a scratchy holder. I figured, wth, might as well Secure Plus them. This probably happens a lot--coins that just need to be reholdered get regraded for the heck of it.

    Lots of people liked the 1799 when I showed it around Baltimore.

    These two are currently my most valuable coins. Unless Ambro makes me an offer I cannot refuse, I plan to keep them for the long haul.

    I have one coin in for Secure Plus plus True View via the Collectors Club special (a special Norweb coin), and I will post the results when I get them. The coin was cracked from an NGC AU-58 holder, so there is Plus potential on that one.

    Thanks for the props.

    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ryk that is a stunning coin, far beyond my means and above my collecting grade. It was nice seeing in detail the flow lines in the lower reverse field off the dentils. I have seen that in my 56 D but was not sure if it was a result of die polishing at the mint or a polishing situation on my coin. Seeing yours, I can see now its a mint made situation.

    I know a lot of forum members cannot comprehend the rarity level that that coin is on. If it were any other series, maybe even a Morgan dollar, with like numbers of survivors....records would be shattered every auction appearance. Imagine, a morgan dollar of a given date and mintmark, with one hundred survivors...and six in mint state. Yeah your coin is beautiful thats one coin that I could see selling only as part of ....estate of etc etc.

    You might not got a plus but Im gonna give you nine thumbs up imageimageimageimageimageimageimageimageimage
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    I give a + to the 1799 and think both are great coins.

    I just mailed my coin for the CC Special today.
    I'm probably out about $55 in shipping just to get a new slab. image I guess I'll know in a few weeks.


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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMHO they both qualify for a Pig Pen sticker as they are pretty dirty! imageimage

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>IMHO they both qualify for a Pig Pen sticker as they are pretty dirty! imageimage

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    That's a great idea. I think in the same spirit of Longacre giving out stickers and pluses, I should award PigPens. image

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    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A Nice Pair!
  • rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭
    Those are beautiful. I saw that 1799 at Baltimore and my jaw dropped. It's absolutely, IMO, magnificent.

    Plus, sticker, etc... regardless those coins are incredible.
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  • beartracks42beartracks42 Posts: 2,834 ✭


    << <i>That 1799 could nonplus at my house any day. --Jerry >>




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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>IMHO they both qualify for a Pig Pen sticker as they are pretty dirty! imageimage

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    That's a great idea. I think in the same spirit of Longacre giving out stickers and pluses, I should award PigPens. image

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    Go for it and at the end of the year you could award a PigPen Bobblehead for the Dirtiest of Dirty? image

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  • ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭
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