1914 D Lincoln.....This doesn't look right to me, possible fake

Tdec1000

link 1914 D...possible fake

tightbudget

Fake indeed

commoncents05

Yep.

-Paul

Tdec1000

I honestly almost put a hefty bid in haste... thank god I didn't and I took a closer look. The date does not look right at all. I almost made a huge mistake, and I am the guy at the local shows that everyone brings the keys for me to help authenticate for them. That would have been too funny if I would have pulled the trigger not paying attention.

This guy needs to be reported. What a joke!

pakasmom

Can someone post an authentic one for comparison?

What, besides "date doesn't look right," is the tell here?

AUandAG

<< <i>Can someone post an authentic one for comparison?

What, besides "date doesn't look right," is the tell here? >>



The shape of the D should be triangular not rounded. There should also be a die break going
from the shoulder to the rim. I think that's what they see.

bob

pakasmom

Thanks Bob! I couldn't seem to find a good picture to do the comparison for myself... I appreciate your kindness.

TexasNationals

fake a roo

GrumpyEd

I'm not sure, to me it looks like the D has the correct angular center.
They don't all have the die crack.
The date isn't a modified 44-D like many altered ones are.
I don't see a VDB on the shoulder.
It looks possibly cleaned.
What's making everyone say it's fake????


I'm not a gambler and there are many fakes so I'd still avoid a raw one


Here's the angular centered D and the die crack that some have:

morgansforever

The same punch was used for the 16D Merc, and the 14D cent.
Both have a triangular look, in the interior of the D.
Appears this one will get some strong bids.
The pics don't clearly define the MM.
One more thing why isn't it slabbed, it's a major key?

ambro51

Sterling Rare Coins had listed an 1858 gold dollar which I purchased...sent to ANACS where it was bagged for 'questionable authenticity'. I returned it to them, and was issued a refund. Three months later....Sterling Rare Coins listed the SAME coin on ebay once again, using the same photos. This really rubbed me the wrong way, I contacted Barry Stuppler, told him of the situation. Im not sure what happened next but the auction was taken down within an hour.

Id trust that dealer about as far as I can pick them up and toss them. Just my opinion.

(ps not all 14Ds have that die crack)

lcoopie

sometimes you can judge a coin by the company it keeps.

lkeigwin

<< <i>Can someone post an authentic one for comparison? What, besides "date doesn't look right," is the tell here? >>

Here's a real one (top) and then the one in question with a crop of a real date. If it's a fake is an exceptional one.

There aren't a lot of diagnostics. Look for even spacing of the date numerals (check), a boxy MM with a triangular center (check?), no VDB on shoulder (check?), color/texture is usually a bit different.

I wouldn't bid on it because it probably has issues (dipped, for one). But I'm not convinced it's counterfeit.
Lance.

ambro51

I dont like the lack of hair detail. AND especially how it seems to flow into the upper fields in areas. NOT at all like the 'real' coin posted (which I once owned).

Im very suspicious of any coin which shows weak detail, possibly from wear, but shows none of the minor nicks and ticks that a coin gets.

Looks hauntingly like the weak reverse detail on the 1858 GD (fake). Id not buy anything from that guy if he were selling bottled water in the middle of the desert.

cmerlo1

The serifs on the D look too long.

Edited to add:

I agree with Ambro- the hair detail is more reminiscent of a 50's Lincoln to me...

66Tbird

portrait detail is way off eveywhere

crypto79

<< <i>The serifs on the D look too long.

Edited to add:

I agree with Ambro- the hair detail is more reminiscent of a 50's Lincoln to me... >>



And agree with cmerlo1, The bottom serif on the D is too long, I.E. it has one when a real one doesn't

lkeigwin

It may very well be fake. A more detailed photo would help.

I would be very suspicious about any raw '14-D. This one feels wrong but I can't bring myself to report it.
Lance.

telephoto1

It's a genuine 1914 Plain with a bad mintmark. Date is right but MM is too small, with serifs that are too long. Subsequently cleaned to hide the work.

Tdec1000

And being passed off as the real thing.... Has anyone notified the seller?

ambro51

.......knock your socks off.

bolivarshagnasty

Sooo, lack of hair detail, lower serif to long on D, what about the distance of the D from the leg of the nine? Are there genuine examples out there where the D
is located so far from the date? Will need the 14-D for my set some day, and would like to know all of the markers. Shag

coinguy1

The seller didn't reply to my message, but he did end the listing.

ambro51

Now, keep a good eye because if he follows his pattern, it will be up again later this summer!

SamByrd

There is significant doubt about this coin with good reason, It looks like a post 1918 bust and edges way to clean as well. I wonder if this is simply a struck counterfeit. I too wonder why a coin dealer has such a coin raw, there must be a reason since the coin if the real deal will sell for more in a legitimate slab.

BuffaloIronTail

14-D had at least 7 different Mintmark positions.

Yeah, that bottom serif looks too long, but the mintmark is correct for the date. It is entirly possible that
the seller can't slab it because it was dipped.

Usually 14-D with an added mintmark has the incorrect style.

Could be cast, but don't think so.....doesn't have the telltale "bumps"

14-D in it's various as-made states is soft and mushy on the 19 of the date, but there is one die that was really sharp.

It is the one to look for.

I ain't no real expert like others here.......but I would not "can" this coin. I just need to see a better close-up of the
date area with the mintmark.

So I would say, if in doubt.........RUN AWAY!

Pete

ambro51

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CoinCrazyPA

<< <i>Now, keep a good eye because if he follows his pattern, it will be up again later this summer! >>



I am amazed at the gull this seller has. Based on the story posted hear about the gold coin, I would say the seller know's darn well the coin was a fake before listing it. It is a shame that he will probably pass it off to some unknowing smuck. Regards Mike

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