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PCGS + Grading for Gap Grades

earlyAurumearlyAurum Posts: 750 ✭✭✭✭✭
For example, when determining whether an AU55 deserves a +, does PCGS take the say top ten/fifteen percent for the grade as those that grade 558 to 559 given the 700 point system or does it take those that grade 575 to 579? If the latter is the case, then is it safe to say that obtaining a + for those grades with gaps is more difficult that non-gap grades?
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earlyAurum

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    If the graders agree it's a 557, 558, or 559 then it gets a 55+ (just because there are in theory 3 points between a 55 and the next higher grade, I don't believe they're used or considered).
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,921 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If the graders agree it's a 557, 558, or 559 then it gets a 55+ (just because there are in theory 3 points between a 55 and the next higher grade, I don't believe they're used or considered). >>



    No. It would have to be a 57.7 to 57.9 to get the 55+ grade.

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>If the graders agree it's a 557, 558, or 559 then it gets a 55+ (just because there are in theory 3 points between a 55 and the next higher grade, I don't believe they're used or considered). >>



    No. It would have to be a 57.7 to 57.9 to get the 55+ grade. >>

    Do they even use the "57x" grades when formulating their opinions? Or do they go straight from 559 to 580?
  • lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>If the graders agree it's a 557, 558, or 559 then it gets a 55+ (just because there are in theory 3 points between a 55 and the next higher grade, I don't believe they're used or considered). >>



    No. It would have to be a 57.7 to 57.9 to get the 55+ grade. >>

    Do they even use the "57x" grades when formulating their opinions? Or do they go straight from 559 to 580? >>



    If the "+" means the top 10-15% for the grade, then doesn't that mean the coin (to use the 55 example) would have to be a 55.85 - 55.99. There should be no 55.7 - 55.84s with a plus. Am I missing something?
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,921 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>If the graders agree it's a 557, 558, or 559 then it gets a 55+ (just because there are in theory 3 points between a 55 and the next higher grade, I don't believe they're used or considered). >>



    No. It would have to be a 57.7 to 57.9 to get the 55+ grade. >>

    Do they even use the "57x" grades when formulating their opinions? Or do they go straight from 559 to 580? >>



    If the "+" means the top 10-15% for the grade, then doesn't that mean the coin (to use the 55 example) would have to be a 55.85 - 55.99. There should be no 55.7 - 55.84s with a plus. Am I missing something? >>



    The 55 grade goes from 55.0 to 57.9 since the next grade above 55 is 58 and not 56 which isn't currently being used.



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  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭
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  • lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭✭
    OK, maybe my 55 example wasn't a good one. Let's use a gem 65 instead. If the plus is for the top 10-15% of the grade range, in this case if plussed you'd be referring to a 65.85-65.99. Correct?!
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    "In the March 25 news release, David Hall goes on to say "The reality of the market place is that coins considered high end for the grade are recognized by sophisticated dealers and collectors and such coins are worth a premium in the marketplace. The term "plus" has been part of the everyday trading and grading lingo for years. The high end for any particular grade represents the top 30 percent of the scale within a grade and I estimate that the plus designation would apply to approximately 15 percent to 20 percent of the coins within any individual grade.".

    Seems its the top 30% of the grading scale(.7.8.9 for ms) Lusterlover with a estimate of 15-20% of the coins in any grade will get the plus. Confusing.

    The estimate probably factors in the eye appeal guidelines (no splotchy toning and/or deeply embedded toning) also required to get a plus.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    The numbers being tossed around in this thread do not work for the Plus grade. They assume there are an equal number of coins throughout the grade range, not the case. For example, there may be twice as many 57.8s as 57.9s, maybe a hundred times more 56.5s (middle of the AU 55 grade) than 57.9s (the very top of the AU 55 grade). Only the PCGS graders can decide on the Plus coins, and I think their standards will change, as the Plus grading progresses. There is no way the PCGS graders can pick out the top 15% of the coins in any given coin series. The PCGS individual graders, each, certainly have not seen all the coins, within a series, already graded by PCGS.

    I still say we already have too many coin grades. My collection's value has already been somewhat decreased, because none of my coins have the Plus, nor will they even be submitted for the Plus. When old-time collections of PCGS coins come to market, I sure don't see the collection being resubmitted for SecurePlus first, before they are auctioned off.

    The winner I see in this Plus grading is PCGS, because of all the resubmission fees. PCGS really does have a "Big One" here. Their marketing strategy looks to bring in lots of money for regrades. Someone sure had a great moneymaking idea, especially considering the short supply of raw coins out there worth holdering.

    We have not heard exactly how NGC will try to match the PCGS Plus, but I doubt NGC Plus will make much difference in the marketplace.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.

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