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For those of you who want a playoff in college football

edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
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Perhaps you could have Butler playing the Florida Gators for the national championship. image

Leave college football alone. At least the regular season counts in college football. Now they want to
expand the NCAA tournament. How much watered down do they want that thing. Oh yeah, that's right, it's not
about finding a true national champion, it's all about how the NCAA can make more money.

And the only reason there's no playoff in college football is because they can't figure out how to divide the money up
evenly amongst all the bowls.

So for all you idealistic sports fans, it's not about finding a true champion. It's really about finding the true almighty dollar.

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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    I disagree with you. The fact is that in college basketball there will be ONE true national champion Tuesday morning. It does not mean they were "the best" team that year. It means they made it through the playoffs just as the "champion" is determined in most every other sport starting at age 6 or 7. To only have two schools, as in DI football, compete for the "championship" creates a false championship. It's not a true champion if other teams can not compete for that game. It's really simple. You can create whatever false logic you like but it starts at age 6 that the winner goes to the PLAYOFFS and then has to WIN the playoffs.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree with Larryallen...otherwise why bother even staging the playoffs in the first place...just award the trophy to the "regular season" champ...


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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Butler won their first 2 or 3 playoff games, depending on 8 or 16 teams involved (I prefer 8) why should they not play for the championship?
    BTW should Butler be allowed to play Duke for the championship? Why not just have the 2 best teams play, say Kentucky and Kansas? How about doing away with wild card teams in MLB and the NFL?
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  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    In college football, you have 12 weeks of playoff games because winning and rankings are so important.

    In college basketball, you have a meaningless regular season, and a watered down playoff system (which is about to get even larger),
    to determine the national champion.

  • MajorDanbyMajorDanby Posts: 1,343
    you're right that the tournament shoulndt expand. it is a bit watered down as is with 65. And i agree that the NCAA is expanding the tournament largely for money reasons.

    but i dont agree that college football doesnt need a playoff system. remember when baseball had two teams play in the world series...the best in the NL and the best in the AL? That was appropriate because teams played a 154 game season...and played games against each other (within each respective league). Here you have a very large sample size of games...where the games pit teams within their two respective divisions. The Yankees win 96 games against AL teams. That's clear evidence they are the best team in the AL. College football teams only play 12 games...and there is hardly ever any cross over in games against other teams from BCS conferences (or even other prominent conferences like the WAC or MWC) that are supposedly in the mix for a national championship. Small sample size against only a very small set of teams in the nation are obvious, statistical arguments against claiming that there should be only two teams in the nation playing for a championship. Remember when Ohio State made it to the championship game against LSU when they clearly "backed into" it because they so happen to lose their one game early on in the season? That was a fun game to watch, wasnt it? Utah played an undefeated season two years ago yet they didnt even have the opportunity to play for a championship. If the national championship is the end goal of every college football team, then Utah's regular season was essentially rendered useless by the BCS system. I've read many posts on this board railing over top teams like Alabama and Penn State playing patsy teams in their non conference schedule. The reality of it is that because of the nature of the game and because of the time and travel limitations of the players because they are "scholar athletes," you cant make reasonable statistical assertions about how good one team is against another across the nation...even worse is stating that there are only two teams deserving to have a shot at winning a national championship. Hence, the playoff system, more than in any sport, makes sense in college football. The regular season means only so much as proving that certain teams are good enough to compete for a national championship. At that point, since statistical conclusions about which of these teams are the best (i.e. only two can play for a championship) cant be made on such faulty data (despite what the fairly biased BCS statistics say), let it be played out on the field. The funny thing about all of this is how many coaches, analysts and ill informed fans rail against the use of statistics in sports and violently request teams to simply play it out on the field (e.g. in baseball..."yeah, i know that his UZR is low, but LOOK at how he plays right field. He's got to be a gold glove winner"). Yet, we see a contradiction whenever the whole playoff vs BCS debate comes up with college football. These same individuals say the current system is fine. Yet, this current system depends on a largely faulty statistical process (on the one hand im opposing the use of statistics...on the other im actually supporting the use of data to determine who the best teams are) such that only 2 teams are allowed to actually "play it out on the field" to see who is the better team.
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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now that made a lot of sense. image
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  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    NCAA tournament = NHL playoffs

    Both are watered down money seekers
  • illinifan912illinifan912 Posts: 1,462 ✭
    the bcs is corruption. The only problem of the nhl playoffs are the channels it is on.
  • dirtmonkeydirtmonkey Posts: 3,048 ✭✭


    << <i>NCAA tournament = NHL playoffs

    Both are watered down money seekers >>




    LOL, the NHL has the same amount of teams in the playoffs as the NBA & only 2 more teams per division than the NFL. I love the NFL playoffs, but getting a bye in them is lame and that will likely be corrected one day so that they'll also have 16 teams making the PO's.
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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    LOL, the NHL has the same amount of teams in the playoffs as the NBA & only 2 more teams per division than the NFL. I love the NFL playoffs, but getting a bye in them is lame and that will likely be corrected one day so that they'll also have 16 teams making the PO's.

    Very true.
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Let's not have playoffs in any sport, it seems so unfair
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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wouldn't it be funny if pro and college and high school sports decided that they are placing too much emphasis on "winning" and change thus change their philosphy to that of T-ball and other sports for 4-6 year olds.

    Participation is the key. Everyone gets a ribbon and trophy commemorating that they "participated". No one keeps score. No one keeps statistics of team and player performance. After every game the two teams and their coachs share juice boxes and granola bars.

    Everyone feels good about themselves [well the parents do and so do the kids who are not very good] and as a result everyone has great "self esteem".

    Funny thing though is that if you ask the players on the team, they will tell you which team won, which team lost, which players are great, good and lousy image Interesting that 4-6 year olds have a better grasp of human nature than do their parents.
  • BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033


    << <i>In college football, you have 12 weeks of playoff games because winning and rankings are so important.

    >>



    BS!!! Tell that to Boise State.

    If Butler wins tonight, then they will prove THEY are the best team in country.
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    If Butler wins six tournament games in a row, which would include knocking off #1 Syracuse, Michigan State and #1 Duke, who am I not to call them the best team in the country?
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  • dirtmonkeydirtmonkey Posts: 3,048 ✭✭
    In the end, Butler helped provide college basketball fans with one of the best championship games ever seen. It was close all night. They went on to show that they are one of the elite teams in college basketball this season. They can obviously beat anyone in the country and deserve plenty of recognition for all of their accomplishments this year. So again... Thanks for putting your wisdom on display here, EF.

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  • BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033
    If only college football had march madness. Or i guess i should say January madness image
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