1989 Topps Errors

luker2324

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of 1989 Topps errors? I am sorting a few thousand and thought I would pull out what I can.
I have a list of the following four:

605 Bob Welch (missing stat line)
665 Tony Olivia (no copyright)
689 Stan Jefferson (pink dot)
697 Franklin Stubbs (Team in White)

Anyone have any more to look for?

richtree

hahah., there are many more....


I willl start to list them tomorrrow if no one does my then.

luker2324

I figured there were more. Just hoping the right person would be able to help me out. If no one else is able, I would appreciate your help tomorrow.



<< <i>hahah., there are many more....


I willl start to list them tomorrrow if no one does my then. >>

jacksoncoupage

All of the future star cards.

Dickie Thon and Jose Bautista

Jimmy Williams and Joe Morgan (Manager cards)

Orestes Destrade and Felix Fermin (Pirates)

Tony Oliva (3 different)

All insert (ad/offer) cards (different cardstock)

Pirates (some in away uniforms have green, red, yellow stripes on jerseys)

Kurt Stillwell

I'll keep adding as I remember them.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

I'm sure there's more.....

Some of these listed are not traditional errors, but printing flaws.


There are numerous 1989 Topps with Black vs. Gray. Red vs. Orange etc. I think this is just a case of too little Black ink being used/running low. I think all cards that have the Black , have a Gray variation. All team names in Red, have a Orange etc.

All Star Commemorative Glossy - Have * or ** on back and White or Gray stock
24 Larry Anderson A- Partial tan top border B- Solid orange top border
27 Orestes Destrade A- F* at back bottom B- E*F* at back bottom
167 Steve Searcy A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
212 Scott Sanderson A- Black dashes down right border (jagged/broken) B- Solid Black right border
233 Gregg Jefferies A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
264 Rob Dibble A- White area under team name B- Gray area under team name
268 Keith Miller A- Partial Green at bottom of banner B- Solid Blue at top of banner (unconfirmed)
303 Felix Fermin A- *F* at back bottom B- F* at back bottom
343 Gary Sheffield A- Necklace lined up with Y in Gary B- Necklace lined up with R in Gary, Topps logo higher C- Necklace lined up with R in Gary, Topps logo lower
348 Ed Hearn A- Blue ST across cheek and ear on front B- No Blue ST across cheek and ear on front
368 Brian Houlton A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
403 Kirby Puckett A- E in League on front printed over helmet B- E above helmet
426 Dan Gladden A- Partial Yellow Border B- Solid Red bottom border
456 Tim Belcher A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
469 Jose Bautista A- Top border has Yellow stripe B- Yellow strip missing from top border, filled with Orange
505 Pete Rose A- White area under S in Reds B- Solid Gray area around Reds
582 Mike Marshall A- Red shirt sleeve B- Blue shirt sleeve
588 Luis Alicea A- E*F* at back bottom B- F* at back bottom
594 Jimy Williams A- Inside the J in Jays on front, white spot B- All Blue
605 Bob Welch A- Missing stat headline B- Stat headline present
648 Sandy Alomar Jr. A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
663 Ron Blomberg A- Black line extends into white border by 1st base on front B- No line
665 Tony Olivia A- Missing copyright B- Copyright present C- Copyright blacked out
689 Stan Jefferson A- Pink triangle at bottom left B- Pink/Purple Triangle at bottom left C- Purple Traingle at bottom left
697 Franklin Stubbs A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
726 Dickie Thon A- Solid Orange top border B- Partially Yellow/incomplete on top border
729 Rangers A- Black shadow border left of Rangers B- No Black shadow border left of Rangers
732 Steve Beuchele A- Pink dot by Topps logo on front B- Pink dot airbrushed away.
736 Jeff Hamilton A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
742 Mike Harkey A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
750 Bret Saberhagen A- Pink scribble and Black blotch under right elbow B- No Pink scribble and Black blotch under right elbow
767 Jose Lind A- Topps shadowed in Yellow on front B- Topps shadowed in Blue on front C- Normal Topps on front. No shadowing,all Black
771 Ron Kittle A- Errant horizontal line across back B- No errant horizontal line across back

richtree

if anyone is interested i have 4 extra 605 Bob Welch (missing stat line) graded by PSA -- two PSA 9's -- two PSA 5's (don't ask) -- lol

luker2324

Wow, thanks for all the great info.



<< <i>I'm sure there's more.....

Some of these listed are not traditional errors, but printing flaws.


There are numerous 1989 Topps with Black vs. Gray. Red vs. Orange etc. I think this is just a case of too little Black ink being used/running low. I think all cards that have the Black , have a Gray variation. All team names in Red, have a Orange etc.

All Star Commemorative Glossy - Have * or ** on back and White or Gray stock
24 Larry Anderson A- Partial tan top border B- Solid orange top border
27 Orestes Destrade A- F* at back bottom B- E*F* at back bottom
167 Steve Searcy A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
212 Scott Sanderson A- Black dashes down right border (jagged/broken) B- Solid Black right border
233 Gregg Jefferies A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
264 Rob Dibble A- White area under team name B- Gray area under team name
268 Keith Miller A- Partial Green at bottom of banner B- Solid Blue at top of banner (unconfirmed)
303 Felix Fermin A- *F* at back bottom B- F* at back bottom
343 Gary Sheffield A- Necklace lined up with Y in Gary B- Necklace lined up with R in Gary, Topps logo higher C- Necklace lined up with R in Gary, Topps logo lower
348 Ed Hearn A- Blue ST across cheek and ear on front B- No Blue ST across cheek and ear on front
368 Brian Houlton A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
403 Kirby Puckett A- E in League on front printed over helmet B- E above helmet
426 Dan Gladden A- Partial Yellow Border B- Solid Red bottom border
456 Tim Belcher A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
469 Jose Bautista A- Top border has Yellow stripe B- Yellow strip missing from top border, filled with Orange
505 Pete Rose A- White area under S in Reds B- Solid Gray area around Reds
582 Mike Marshall A- Red shirt sleeve B- Blue shirt sleeve
588 Luis Alicea A- E*F* at back bottom B- F* at back bottom
594 Jimy Williams A- Inside the J in Jays on front, white spot B- All Blue
605 Bob Welch A- Missing stat headline B- Stat headline present
648 Sandy Alomar Jr. A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
663 Ron Blomberg A- Black line extends into white border by 1st base on front B- No line
665 Tony Olivia A- Missing copyright B- Copyright present C- Copyright blacked out
689 Stan Jefferson A- Pink triangle at bottom left B- Pink/Purple Triangle at bottom left C- Purple Traingle at bottom left
697 Franklin Stubbs A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
726 Dickie Thon A- Solid Orange top border B- Partially Yellow/incomplete on top border
729 Rangers A- Black shadow border left of Rangers B- No Black shadow border left of Rangers
732 Steve Beuchele A- Pink dot by Topps logo on front B- Pink dot airbrushed away.
736 Jeff Hamilton A- Dodgers in White B- Dodgers in Gray
742 Mike Harkey A- Larger gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front B- Smaller gap between top of hat and Future Stars on front
750 Bret Saberhagen A- Pink scribble and Black blotch under right elbow B- No Pink scribble and Black blotch under right elbow
767 Jose Lind A- Topps shadowed in Yellow on front B- Topps shadowed in Blue on front C- Normal Topps on front. No shadowing,all Black
771 Ron Kittle A- Errant horizontal line across back B- No errant horizontal line across back >>

luker2324

Thank You, Do you remember the Error on the Stillwell?



<< <i>All of the future star cards.

Dickie Thon and Jose Bautista

Jimmy Williams and Joe Morgan (Manager cards)

Orestes Destrade and Felix Fermin (Pirates)

Tony Oliva (3 different)

All insert (ad/offer) cards (different cardstock)

Pirates (some in away uniforms have green, red, yellow stripes on jerseys)

Kurt Stillwell

I'll keep adding as I remember them. >>

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jacksoncoupage

<< <i>Thank You, Do you remember the Error on the Stillwell?



<< <i>All of the future star cards.

Dickie Thon and Jose Bautista

Jimmy Williams and Joe Morgan (Manager cards)

Orestes Destrade and Felix Fermin (Pirates)

Tony Oliva (3 different)

All insert (ad/offer) cards (different cardstock)

Pirates (some in away uniforms have green, red, yellow stripes on jerseys)

Kurt Stillwell

I'll keep adding as I remember them. >>

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His name is printed in black or in black with yellow overprint - a very noticeable and odd variation when compared.

bobbybakeriv

I am completely clueless when it comes to "errors" and "variations" so bear with my possibly stupid question....But, do you guys draw the line between bonafied errors (e.g., wrong name on front) versus quality control issues (e.g., slight color imperfection or something)? Honestly, I am just curious as I think I would go nuts trying to keep it all straight. Bobby

Dboneesq

<< <i>I am completely clueless when it comes to "errors" and "variations" so bear with my possibly stupid question....But, do you guys draw the line between bonafied errors (e.g., wrong name on front) versus quality control issues (e.g., slight color imperfection or something)? Honestly, I am just curious as I think I would go nuts trying to keep it all straight. Bobby >>



Bobby ... Donovan (Board member 1989FleerBillRipkenCollector) has put together a GREAT booklet on the error cards for MANY manufacturers going back to the 1895 Mayo cards! It is a GREAT resource and he sells it for a VERY REASONABLE price. I bought one and HIGHLY recommend it!

richtree

<< <i>Bobby ... Donovan (Board member 1989FleerBillRipkenCollector) has put together a GREAT booklet on the error cards for MANY manufacturers going back to the 1895 Mayo cards! It is a GREAT resource and he sells it for a VERY REASONABLE price. I bought one and HIGHLY recommend it! >>




I agree with that , for sure !!!

luker2324

That is great to know. I will look into getting one. Thanks!



<< <i>

<< <i>I am completely clueless when it comes to "errors" and "variations" so bear with my possibly stupid question....But, do you guys draw the line between bonafied errors (e.g., wrong name on front) versus quality control issues (e.g., slight color imperfection or something)? Honestly, I am just curious as I think I would go nuts trying to keep it all straight. Bobby >>



Bobby ... Donovan (Board member 1989FleerBillRipkenCollector) has put together a GREAT booklet on the error cards for MANY manufacturers going back to the 1895 Mayo cards! It is a GREAT resource and he sells it for a VERY REASONABLE price. I bought one and HIGHLY recommend it! >>

MVPJoe1015

Does anyone know if this is anything special? Orestes Destrade front and Scott Terry back.

Just a printing error?

brendanb438

<< <i>Does anyone know if this is anything special? Orestes Destrade front and Scott Terry back.

Just a printing error?





>>




Yeah I believe that is just a printing error, a big printing error at that.

MVPJoe1015

Hahaha thanks

GooshA

CBT people are board and getting alts here. Go back Go Back ! Your mommies still love you.

EchoCanyon

I seem to remember something with 89 topps traded that had an error. The front was a position players, but the back had games, IP, W, L , ERA, etc.

Anyone else remember?

GooshA

ohh, was hoping for a CBT person reply on how 'board' is spelled incorrectly, then seeing a reply with a giggy giggle.

jacksoncoupage

<< <i>I seem to remember something with 89 topps traded that had an error. The front was a position players, but the back had games, IP, W, L , ERA, etc.

Anyone else remember? >>



Darrel Evans. Not corrected, despite what old issues of SCD magazine claim.

saucywombat

Its raining, I'm bored and I recently picked up board member Donavan Ryan's "Baseball Card Variations"

E/V not really my thing but I found the hunt entertaining.

Some finds in 1989 Topps:

#726 Dickie Thon

A - (Left) Yellow in top border variation

B - (Right) Corrected

saucywombat

#469 Jose Bautista

A - (left) Yellow in top border variation

B - (right) corrected

#648 Sandy Alomar

A - (left) Gap between hat and "Future Star"

B - (right) standard version

saucywombat

#689 Stan Jefferson

B - Pink/Purple triangle at bottom left

#594 Jimy Williams

A - White inside of 'J' in Blue Jays

#588 Luis Alicea

A - E*F* On bottom copyright line

richtree

good finds...

saucywombat

#327 Orestes Destrade

A - F* on copyright line

B - E*F* on copyright line

#303 Felix Fermin

A - *F* on copyright line

B - F* on copyright line

jacksoncoupage

Find the Ed Hearn with streak across his face. I'd love to finally see a copy.

milbroco

OK Guys Stop it.....Now I am going to have to rip my rack case while watching the Flyers on TV tonight. Darn You!
Bob

ThoseBackPages

i love this thread. ive got three rack cases to rip someday

richtree

saucy -- save me doubles of each !

AUPT

Saucy . . .

Interesting post on the #594 Jimy Williams. I don't recall ever hearing about that one.

Unlike most of the cards mentioned, which are mechanical printing errors, the Williams would seem to aualify as a true variation.

saucywombat

<< <i>Saucy . . .

Interesting post on the #594 Jimy Williams. I don't recall ever hearing about that one.

Unlike most of the cards mentioned, which are mechanical printing errors, the Williams would seem to aualify as a true variation. >>



All 4 of the Williams I had were like that -btw

jacksoncoupage

<< <i>Saucy . . .

Interesting post on the #594 Jimy Williams. I don't recall ever hearing about that one.

Unlike most of the cards mentioned, which are mechanical printing errors, the Williams would seem to aualify as a true variation. >>



I can confirm 20 white space versions and 11 blue space versions.

The guides list Franklin Stubbs' card as a variation though it is affected by the same "low level of ink" that several other Dodgers in the set are, creating what appears to be a white banner. This would seem to not qualify as a "true variation."



Also, just so I have an idea where the powers that be stand on this, do you consider the cards he posted showing E*F* *F* etc, print code varieties as mechanical printing errors? Or are they true variations?

AUPT

The various letter sheet codes on the backs of 1989s and other modern cards are true variations, rather than printing errors.

jacksoncoupage

Stan Jefferson "near rainbow"



Only missing the blue triangle version. The true pink triangle is pretty hard to find these days.

Here's one of my favorite 1989 Topps variations, if only for the pointlessness in such a design choice.

Kurt Stillwell #596 with yellow lettering overprint and without:



Here are 2 of the 3 Garyy Sheffield variations. Notice the white line along the bottom and the "ghost" 343 in the corner.
The last variety, not pictured, has the line removed and the Topps logo printed further away from Sheffield's neck.



This trio is a very recent discovery I made. Brock's TBC card #663 was first printed with a red streak down his sleeve.
The first attempt at editing/airbrushing it didn't completely cover it up. The last version has it fully whited-out.



And a comparison pic of the Jimmy Williams #594:



Next up: Tony Oliva #665

jacksoncoupage

<< <i>The various letter sheet codes on the backs of 1989s and other modern cards are true variations, rather than printing errors. >>



Is there any reason why they are generally not listed in the guide? I think only the Destrade is noted. But the backs of 1990 and 1991 Topps traded wax (gray), 1988-1990 Topps BIG, 1991 Topps E*F* and F* and A*B* variations are not currently recognized officially, though well-known in the Topps/error collecting community.

jacksoncoupage

One of my favorite Topps variations period. A truly impossible to pull card. I went through a serious
1989 Topps box breaking frenzy from 2003-2005 and never pulled one. Then or any other time.
These guys sell for very little now and I try to scoop them up whenever they show up.

#665A Tony Oliva missing copyright line:



There's also a rumored version with the copyright line blacked out. I'd love to see a copy.

Here is an odd airbrushing/editing variety, card #714 Joe Morgan. Topps covered up the strange blotch
on his jersey:



I am a huge fan and collector of Topps' offer/game/advertisement inserts of the 80's and early 90's.
Here is an example of the various backs of their 'Company Store' inserts; regular gray stock, vanilla bean stock
and blank (found in Topps Big):



That's it for my contribution. For now, at least.

richtree

that is excellent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks again !!

ThoseBackPages

man, this thread has gotten GOOD!

RookieWax

Anyone else have a copy of this John Morris with "mystery clouds" along the right border?

bronnerea

I can't confirm the Morris card, but this is an interesting new variation.

Regarding the Alicea, card, can anybody confirm that the card was printed in anything other than an E*F*? That seems like far-and-away the most common version.

Also, to repeat a prior post, does anyone know if there is a third version of the Oliva card with the copyright info blacked out?

richtree

<< <i>I can't confirm the Morris card, but this is an interesting new variation.

Regarding the Alicea, card, can anybody confirm that the card was printed in anything other than an E*F*? That seems like far-and-away the most common version.

Also, to repeat a prior post, does anyone know if there is a third version of the Oliva card with the copyright info blacked out? >>




They blacked out one seems to be a rumor --- unconfirmed, and I don't think it exists.


I have 10 with and without copyright --- but never seen anything close to blackout.

AUPT

I recently had dragged up from the basement a cello case of 1989 Topps (along with a 1987 and 1988 case). I was going to offer them on Craig's List, but for the $100 or so apiece I might get, I don't want somebody I don't know coming to the house and knowing I've got cards there.

I've been thinking of busting the cases to pull any superstars-on-front, errors, etc. packs. If you want me to look for a specific player, card or team, drop me a PM. I'll see what's in there and make you a good offer. I'll open any left-over packs to see what '89 E&V cards might be in there.

saucywombat

bump

saucywombat

Thought I'd share this highly unusual variation of card 618, Rance Mulliniks I found weeding out a box of commons I picked up recently.

Seems like a similar sort of issue that caused the Frank Thomas NNOF in 1990, but this is a lack of all colors except black.

RookieWax

Yep...and very similar to this one I pulled from a pack from BBCE a few months ago.

saucywombat

<< <i>Yep...and very similar to this one I pulled from a pack from BBCE a few months ago. >>



Looks like the card is missing the yellow and red.

saucywombat

Nolan Ryan Variation - partial Cyan-less

miwlvrn

<< <i>I am completely clueless when it comes to "errors" and "variations" so bear with my possibly stupid question....But, do you guys draw the line between bonafied errors (e.g., wrong name on front) versus quality control issues (e.g., slight color imperfection or something)? Honestly, I am just curious as I think I would go nuts trying to keep it all straight. Bobby >>




Always a great question. This portion of the error/variation topic was addressed not too long ago in a thread that touched on things like the 1962 Ron Fairly - Green in Baseball and similar items. Not sure where that thread went but I'm sure someone here could bump a link

LarkinCollector

I have a batch of these with ink smudges and likely a Topps employees fingerprints embedded in the ink. Has anyone else seen any of those? I'm not sure if I should post pics of them or what the legalities may be. They were from 4 wax boxes that also contained some horrible miscuts that I can make out portions of the sheet layout with parts of two cards on one.

bishop

The Fairly discussion involved his 1961 card. The green smudge in the bottom of the baseball on the back is a common print defect in several cards in the 1961 set, but for some reason PSA has elected to grade it as a variation and list it in their mastery registry checklist as such

miwlvrn

Yup, that's right. Any idea where that thread is on here? It had some good scanned examples of lots of error, variation, and just low quality control cards that would fall into those different categories, not just the 1961's, but lots of other years too.