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With the new eBay fees coming, is an eBay store right for you?

I pretty much run 30 day fixed priced listings without a store for 35 cents each, so I was examining if a basic store would work for me when the new eBay fees are rolled out.

The main thing that made me look into it is that stores will now get full search exposure. The store fixed price listings will cost 20 cents each, but there is a monthly fee of $15.95 for the store.

I did the math, and for those that are curious, a store will become a better deal than just using fixed price listings without a store on your 107th listing. If you have only 106 items in your basic store it would have been 5 cents cheaper to just list them with fixed price listings and no store. For those that have 107 and more items to list, then a basic store makes sense.

Currently I only have about 50 items, so I will hold off on the store for now.

Edited to add: The fixed price listing for non store listings are going up to 50 cents (from 35 cents), so that 107 number now shrinks to 54.

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    Okay, so that is for initial listing fees. What about final value fees? Are they cheaper in a store front versus fixed price listings without the store? just curious because I sell 90% of my items via fixed price and never thought about doing a store.
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    nam812nam812 Posts: 10,541 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Okay, so that is for initial listing fees. What about final value fees? Are they cheaper in a store front versus fixed price listings without the store? just curious because I sell 90% of my items via fixed price and never thought about doing a store. >>



    I didnt get that far. image
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    nam812nam812 Posts: 10,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually, the fixed price listing for non store listings are going up to 50 cents, so that 107 number now shrinks to 54.
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    I could be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere if you were doing listings at .99 and lower, there is no insertion fee, but I think these were only for 7 day auctions. I have a store now that Im not sure if Im going to keep it open after this month.
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    nam812nam812 Posts: 10,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Edited to replace bad info: Upon further review, where fixed price listings are concerned, final value fees will be the same whether you do your fixed price listings with a store or without (and they are the higher one above starting with 12% of the first $50)
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    storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭



    There will prolly always be some value to having stores in the world's
    largest outlet mall.

    When "stores in search" was tried - off and on - in 2004/05, it made
    EBAY a goldmine for small sellers. During some of those times, there
    were only 8M to 11M listings on the entire site.

    As we approach 50M listings - on the way to 75M+ - the value of
    "stores in search" has to be calculated differently. Being on page-one
    of search results ALL DAY is substantially more valuable than being on
    page-one for a few seconds/minutes/hours.

    The refresh-rate in some categories will be mili-seconds. Happily, cards
    are, currently, likely to be among the least negatively impacted categories.
    IF a few mega-sellers step in, that will change.

    EBAY never gives away ANYTHING that has much value. In most categories,
    "stores in search" will now just be a selling point for EBAY that will likely have
    NO meaningful impact on sales.

    If you are only selling cards, EBAY is still the spot AND willl likely remain the spot
    for a long time.

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    Listing Counts:

    March 28, 2010 3:06 pm


    eBay 45,757,962 -68001

    eCrater 3,143,109 +4674

    Bonanzle 2,865,893 +6145


    ..........


    While ecrater is "free," sellers still have to buy click-ads/adwords
    to generate big traffic. Costs are a little cheaper than EBAY, but
    not by a bunch.

    The primary benefit of being away from EBAY is that the "quality"
    of buyers is MUCH better on the other sites. No fake INR/SNAD
    epidemics. The downside is that you have to do more work - and
    spend money - to set up your ads, if you want traffic.

    And, of course, PayPal is a much kinder/gentler beast away from
    EBAY. Also, any payment method is acceptable; about 70% of
    my ecrater payments currently come from google-checkout.

    I expect the Moon and the Ranch to get major pops in listing
    counts, by the end of April. Lots of EBAY sellers are not as much
    into experimenting/gambling as most of us here are. Any level
    of migration should hike traffic at the sites, in some categories.

    .......................

    I am going to watch EBAY for a few weeks, before I make any
    firm decisions about buying into the new system.

    If search-results for stores are favored - even a little - over
    ordinary BINs, I may buy in.

    No advantage to being an early adopter.

    ..........



    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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    hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    I went ahead and opened a basic store for the discount. I list auctions mostly, usually 50+ a month. By my calculation (I could be wrong), the monthly discount a store gives me in my selling range ($50-$200) will be greater than the cost of the store. Not by much, though.
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    nam812nam812 Posts: 10,541 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I went ahead and opened a basic store for the discount. I list auctions mostly, usually 50+ a month. By my calculation (I could be wrong), the monthly discount a store gives me in my selling range ($50-$200) will be greater than the cost of the store. Not by much, though. >>



    Do you mean in final value fees? If so you seem to be correct because a "non store" auction will have an FVF of 9% (capped at $50), and a store auction listing (not to be confused with fixed price listings) will have an FVF of 8.75% of the initial $50.00, plus 4.0%
    of the next $50.01–$1,000.00, plus 2.0% of the remaining closing value balance (anything over $1,000.01).

    What all that means is that on an auction listing that sells for $150:

    non store FVF = $13.50
    store FVF = $8.38
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    hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    My math was similar to that. Based on my type of selling activity, it looked like I had no choice but to open the basic store.
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    Morning,
    I upgraded to the $49.99 Store last month am waiting to see how it all shakes out in the next few weeks. I have also culled out about 600 listings that were getting close to or hitting the 6 mo.-1 year mark or were less then $5 dollars, am going into the new scheme with about 650 items listed. Most (95%) $10 or above (Not counting Auctions). As Storm says it's still the best game in town, my Sales this weekend were 4K, last 90 days 11K.

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
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    I will be listing around 150-200+ items this month on ebay this is anywhere from vintage knick-nac items to graded Psa /Bgs cards and raw single from the 50's-present and even coins both foreign and Us coins . I will at least show two or more clear up close photos of the back and front. I see that photos cost an additional .15 cents per photo without the store front feature... I have also heard of auctiva .... Can anyone here tell me the monthly costs of using auctiva and in this situation will it just be worth my while to buy a store front feature? Me personally feel like starting many of my items at .99 cents to give collectors a true auction format feature instead of the Bin's that flood ebay..image Any suggestions will be highly appreciated .

    Ryan image
    1938 Cartledge Boxing cards psa 7 - psa 10
    1951 Topps Red backs psa 8 only!
    1960 Golden Press Presidential set Psa 8 's - Psa 9's
    1961 Golden Press psa 9's
    1976 Topps baseball psa 9 Stars
    1980 Kelloggs baseball Psa 9's - Psa 10's
    1988-1989 Fleer Basketball psa 9's
    1988-1989 Fleer Stickers psa 9's
    1989-1990 Fleer Basketball psa 10's
    1992 Coca-Cola Donruss Nolan Ryan 1-26 Psa 10 only Gpa 9.80++ E-mail Newyork00007@aol.com
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    mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,342 ✭✭✭
    I think ebay is pricing out the smaller sellers where they make the biggest profit percentage per item sold. After many of the smaller sellers slowly disappear, I think they will have to increase profits by jamming it to those who are left. This is just my opinion.

    As for me, when April the 1st gets here, myself along with millions of others will be listing a lot of carp for the free listings. This will absolutely shred a lot of search features gained by the store. I think in the end ebay will discontinue the free 99 cent listings because of this, but until they do, be prepared to see millions of listings of garbage from all categories, including baseball cards.
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
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    storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    "...be prepared to see millions of listings of garbage from all categories, including baseball cards...."

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    Yup.

    This will render the "stores in search" scheme useless.

    Sellers can test the value of SIS by hitting the refresh
    button every few minutes. Items on page-one will be
    on page-100 within a few minutes in MANY categories.

    "Best Match" - favoring mega-sellers - will further disadvantage
    small sellers in many categories.



    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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    CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    I have 53.5 items. Which one should I choose?
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    richtreerichtree Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭
    not only that but don't you have to report everything from ebay sales on your taxes as income if you are "a store"

    if you do so for peronsal use, income is not neccessarily reportable.
    Buying:
    Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
    80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
    90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
    90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
    1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
    81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
    91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
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    storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>not only that but don't you have to report everything from ebay sales on your taxes as income if you are "a store"

    if you do so for peronsal use, income is not neccessarily reportable. >>



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    Income is reportable, regardless of its soucrce.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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    fmclaug11fmclaug11 Posts: 325 ✭✭✭
    Any know roughly how the costs for selling a $150 item today on Ebay compares to 5 years ago? 10 years ago?
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    sagardsagard Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭
    image

    This was their fee structure on Nov 9th, 2006. I'm unwilling to create todays chart, but I'd love to see it if someone was willing. image
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    ndleondleo Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do the new fees kick in for Fixed Priced listings that start before March 30th? I know that they don't for auctions, but I wasn't clear on Fixed Price. When I read the new fees it mentioned something about fixed price listings being converted.
    Mike
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    ndleondleo Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>not only that but don't you have to report everything from ebay sales on your taxes as income if you are "a store"

    if you do so for peronsal use, income is not neccessarily reportable. >>



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    Income is reportable, regardless of its soucrce. >>



    I list my profits (if any) as hobby income, which is supposed to be a net number from the year of sales. Is that correct?
    Mike
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