What do you think of these PCGS eye appeal examples?

lkeigwin

Interesting.
Lance.

Placid

Surprised they went one step past negative to ugly

BigE

That bottom one looks like the Hawaiian I posted about Just sold at Heritage-----------BigE

PCcoins

So rainbow is in and brown is out?

StubbyMcNumbthumbs

I don't necessarily agree with some of their examples. First, "Eye appeal" is subjective. Their first example they call "amazing", is only amazing if you don't mind some rainbow colors on a silver coin. Not everyone drools over such coloration.

Once again, it's all just their opinion.

AnkurJ

So PCGS does not like splotchy toning.

StubbyMcNumbthumbs

Rainbow toning is "amazing" on a Morgan, "Fake" on a Peace dollar.

So, "Eye appeal" all depends on the series?

TomB

It appears that they forgot to consult ricko before setting up the criteria for eye appeal.

MidLifeCrisis

Doesn't matter what I think...only what PCGS thinks.

Seriously though, it would be nice if they add more examples of other types of coins.

TwoSides2aCoin

I think anything which teaches us about coins and what to look for with them, is pertinent to increasing our wealth. Because knowledge is king. So even if the examples aren't the greatest, the lessons are.

Joe

COALPORTER

Discover your perfect oatmeal? what the heck ?

MidLifeCrisis

<< <i>I think anything which teaches us about coins and what to look for with them, is pertinent to increasing our wealth. Because knowledge is king. So even if the examples aren't the greatest, the lessons are.

Joe >>


Can't argue with that.

Barberian

I'm very disappointed that PCGS imposes their subjective opinion in assigning a grade. Bright neon rainbow toning is now rewarded with an extra point? No wonder so many coins have been destroyed by coin doctors applying outrageous toning. PCGS should just stick to technical grading and stay out of coin esthetics assessment.

BAJJERFAN

So rate the EA of these based upon the PCGS criteria.

TomB

<< <i>I'm very disappointed that PCGS imposes their subjective opinion in assigning a grade. Bright neon rainbow toning is now rewarded with an extra point? No wonder so many coins have been destroyed by coin doctors applying outrageous toning. PCGS should just stick to technical grading and stay out of coin esthetics assessment. >>


I've got news for you; not only do PCGS and NGC weigh eye appeal when assigning a grade, but the ANA defines eye appeal as a major component of the grade, too.

Barberian

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<< <i>I'm very disappointed that PCGS imposes their subjective opinion in assigning a grade. Bright neon rainbow toning is now rewarded with an extra point? No wonder so many coins have been destroyed by coin doctors applying outrageous toning. PCGS should just stick to technical grading and stay out of coin esthetics assessment. >>


I've got news for you; not only do PCGS and NGC weigh eye appeal when assigning a grade, but the ANA defines eye appeal as a major component of the grade, too. >>



But as far as toning goes, eye appeal depends upon the beholder. Who are they to define beauty? Sure, there are many coins that will be widely regarded as attractive, but there will always be some who disagree. I don't find most vividly colored Morgans to be all that attractive. Most end toners look ugly to me. It's amazing to me that nice, subtle toning is pretty much unrewarded while intense toning from higher concentrations of leached airborne acids is rewarded.

I'll just collect what I like rather than try to conform to someone else's notion of beauty.

Somebody somewhere has a bag of blast silver dollars sitting in a room of sulphur. Right next to them is a 100 3-coin rolls made out of taco bell napkins. The final product will be deemed beautiful by the TPG beauty gods, I'm sure.

Coin collecting depresses me sometimes.

TomB

I agree with you completely regarding toning and eye appeal and their possible impact on a grade. However, what I was pointing out is that both NGC and PCGS as well as the ANA define the grade of a coin (at least in the MS and PR ranges) as having a major component of eye appeal. Is this objective? No. It's just reality.

StubbyMcNumbthumbs

But, "Eye Appeal" IS subjective. Also, if they are going to show examples of what they consider to have "Amazing" Eye Appeal, they should really specifiy that it is for that example only and elaborate a bit more as to what makes it amazing.

If anyone new to collecting were to read that, submit their beautifully, very similarly rainbow-toned Peace dollar, I'm afraid they would be terribly disappointed with the results.

BECOKA

I did not see any examples with dripping luster and little to no toning. Something like a nice SLQ or Walking Lib come to mind.

Raybo

<< <i>Interesting.
Lance. >>



What do you think?

Steve27

I would have thrown this one in the ugly category:

StubbyMcNumbthumbs

I know a few who Love that look - original and crusty!

It's all about opinion.

Connecticoin

I like that display, and generally agree with their assessments.

Barndog

nice to see subjectivity objectified.

ajman

I think I see a fingerprint at the bottom of the reverse of the 1888 Morgan.

mommam17

I want the ugly Boone!!

InternetJunky

I think the first Morgan reverse under the Positive category should be up with the Amazing category. JMO....

Justacommeman

I'm actually ok with their examples and it reflects the market IMHO. MJ

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>I think I see a fingerprint at the bottom of the reverse of the 1888 Morgan. >>



Yeah. That was a Legend coin I got from a board member. The print is more visible in the pic than it is in hand. PCGS gave it a 66.

lkeigwin

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<< <i>Interesting.
Lance. >>

What do you think? >>

I am disappointed by the "amazing" and "positive" examples. My taste doesn't run to vivid colors...I like the OR commem look.

Barberian said, "Bright neon rainbow toning is now rewarded with an extra point? No wonder so many coins have been destroyed by coin doctors applying outrageous toning." I agree.

I'd like to see more examples and not just Morgans, Peace dollars and commemoratives. Let's see some copper and gold, early silver.

Maybe there's less education to displaying untoned, eye appealing coins so that is why they are absent. Some samples would be nice to balance things out.
Lance.

drddm

Lance,

I agree with you.

I am also dissapointed that PCGS has to DEFINE eye appeal at all, as everyone knows it is, has always been, and will always be SUBJECTIVE!!!!

So, I guess if a coin does not fit into PCGS' idea of what is attractive, then it won't receive the coveted + grade, huh?

Not a happy camper

BAJJERFAN

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<< <i>Interesting.
Lance. >>

What do you think? >>

I am disappointed by the "amazing" and "positive" examples. My taste doesn't run to vivid colors...I like the OR commem look.

Barberian said, "Bright neon rainbow toning is now rewarded with an extra point? No wonder so many coins have been destroyed by coin doctors applying outrageous toning." I agree.

I'd like to see more examples and not just Morgans, Peace dollars and commemoratives. Let's see some copper and gold, early silver.

Maybe there's less education to displaying untoned, eye appealing coins so that is why they are absent. Some samples would be nice to balance things out.
Lance. >>



They must have a chitload of TruView pics to pick from.

ajman

Lance I also agree with you on liking the look of the Oregon commem, and I also like the look of the Raleigh Half dollar as well.

lkeigwin

<< <i>Lance I also agree with you on liking the look of the Oregon commem, and I also like the look of the Raleigh Half dollar as well. >>

Yes! That's the look I enjoy too, Anthony.
Lance.