I have never ever ever...

MULLINS5 · March 24, 2010 4:44AM

...bought a card with the objective to make money. I did, however, buy a large lot of cards recently in order to submit and get some 9's for my personal collection. Sure, I made money on the others, but this was not why I bought them.

When I was a kid my dad had no problem spoiling me with boxes of cards to open, but he would always walk by after all the packs were opened and say the exact thing, "Did you pull anything?" If I didn't he would reply, "Eh, well, waste of money." This instantly zapped any enjoyment I previously had and it got to the point where I lost this enjoyment of ripping packs altogether. Today I buy the cards I want and could care less about making money off of them.

So, I don't mean to be sour with anybody, and I apologize in advance if this next comment is taken the wrong way, but for a forum called "Collectors Universe" there sure are a lot of wanna-be investors, who treat a portfolio as a three-ring binder with sports cards, 10 percent of which are gold version variants.

Some of the nicest collections assembled seem to have been put together by collectors. I say seem because I don't know any of these people personally, but from reading articles in SMR it's clear they're in it for something more.

I think a prime example of someone buying cards for the pure thrill and enjoyment is someone we all know. fergie has ripped hundreds of high dollar material and he always seems to be happy, regardless of any lack of star power present.

Show of hands and opinions welcome. Collect or invest? Why? If collect, have you ever thought about investing in sports cards?

Patrick

burke23 · March 24, 2010 4:48AM

I don't have a lot of money to collect, so sometimes I buy to try and make money to support my hobby. No long term investments - just quick flips.

bobbybakeriv · March 24, 2010 4:52AM

I am a collector. I have sold stuff but I really don't expect to make any real money off of this hobby. I have spent FAR more than I have made.

artistlost · March 24, 2010 4:55AM

I am a collector. I love just sitting and flipping through my cards.

However, that being said, I also buy to sell too. Why both? Well, the cards I buy to sell generate the money I spend on the cards I collect. I will buy and 'flip' anything (comics, cards, toys, DVD/blu-rays) I can to make a buck or two. That way I have a buck or two to spend on a card I want for my collection.

mathew

dzolot · March 24, 2010 4:57AM

Good post. Unless you are flipping cards to make a profit (i.e. like it's a profession) I think you have to be foolish to treat cards as an investment. IBM stock is an investment. Interest paying bonds are an investment. AROD RC's are NOT! Yes, cards have the ability to appreciate in value over time and we all hope our cards at least retain their value, but I really think one is foolish if they take a buy and hold approach to cards as an investment. I always say a COLLECTOR has to buy what he/she likes. If you do that, it shouldn't matter if the value goes up or down.

Now with that being said, watch my videos (link below) and I think the fact that I am a collector first and foremost will come through clearly (p.s. hope you enjoy the videos!)...

itzagoner · March 24, 2010 5:04AM

if you collect knowledge, that is the best investment you can possibly hope to use for your own reward, be it money, cards or fame.

Hallco · March 24, 2010 5:05AM

The few things I have sold I have lost money on...so I do much better buying what I like and keeping!

72skywalker · March 24, 2010 5:08AM

I buy cards to collect and not for profit. I have sold cards on ebay so that I can weed out unwanted cards in my collection and so that i could buy more cards that i do want. I do enjoy seeing that a card that I have bought for cheap are now going for big bucks but i can never sell them because I bought it originally for a reason...I like to colect.

I do understand that dealers need to make a profit so that they can make a living and stay in business though.

mike22y2k · March 24, 2010 5:23AM

Collecting what I collect is a major money loser. I've dumped thousands this year for the pursuit of a better set. I could buy big value cards as investments and probably make a small return but I'm not into the hassle that it takes to make a measley return.

I collect 79 Topps hockey because it's the first year I started playing hockey as a kid and started collecting cards. I get more of a thrill finding and submitting cards for my set then I get from trading the stock market which I do during the day.

This is a great hobby if you can seperate the investment from the pleasure of collecting something that interests you.

This year I was able to get 4 more people collecting this set through sales on Ebay and have in the process developed a way to sell all my doubles which in return gives me more money to plow back into my set and make feebay shareholders happy.

Great Topic Patrick

MeteoriteGuy · March 24, 2010 5:25AM

The forum is called the "Collectors Universe" as that is the company name, and not a reference to the membership of the forum (like meaning, non-dealer).

I buy about half to my collection and half for resale. I am always looking for cards, and other things I can flip. Mostly counting the "other things" this is how I bought my house and how I have made a living the last 10 years. I have been trying to move my sale inventory more towards a what I like and can sale, compared to a what I can resale for the most or fastest turn around. Depends on the card, depends on the deal.

It takes all types to collectors, investors, dealers, "historians" or the like to make our shrinking market what it is. From the refractor/game used collector to the guy trying to upgrade a common "9" to a "10" to the guy collecting his favorite childhood relief pitcher (...if relief pitchers had fans..:^)

One of my favorite parts of the hobby/ebay, is buying something for x and instantly turning it into x+.

Clear Skies,
Mark

Hallco · March 24, 2010 5:34AM

<< ... to the guy collecting his favorite childhood relief pitcher (...if relief pitchers had fans..:^) >>

2 words for you...Dan Quisenberry!!!

SDSportsFan · March 24, 2010 5:36AM

I have always bought cards for the enjoyment, and not for investment, with the exception of one time. That was when I bought 100 1983 Topps Tony Gwynn rookies for between 75 cents and a dollar a piece. I turned around and sold them a few years later for $20 each

Steve

hammered · March 24, 2010 5:38AM

<< I have never ever ever...bought a card with the objective to make money. >>

This statement is usually made by those who don't know how.

captainthreeputt · March 24, 2010 5:50AM

I love to collect. I only sell when I have upgraded! Then I am selling to use that money to buy something else. I see a lot of guys flipping when they find a deal to good to pass, and I think that is just fine for them.

As someone else on the board has said, it is definitely my therapy. This hobby is also great like wine and sushi, it is meant to be enjoyed and shared with friends. I have been inspired in the past by the generosity of some who have given cards away to others on the board. I just did that the other day and it felt great, and then a couple weeks went by, and someone on the board sent me some cards for my new collection, 1966 Get Smart cards. My nine year old son thinks that is, "Awesome!"

Once again I would like to thank "Mintstate" for his generosity

Brian

RonBurgundy · March 24, 2010 6:04AM

My singular goal is to have as little money invested in my personal collection as possible. That way, I can enjoy it without having to worry about the money aspect.

To accomplish this, I buy and sell cards and make no apologies for it. I also buy and sell cards to buy Baxter dog biscuits and steak/waffles for myself.

mexpo75 · March 24, 2010 6:10AM

I buy cards to collect and look through, mostly of my team, Green Bay. If I ever buy a card to "invest" it is to buy because I can sell it quick to buy something I want for myself.

Nathaniel1960 · March 24, 2010 6:12AM

1989 Rolando Roomes. Although, I don't think it is so cut and dry as collect vs. invest. Inherent in all my "collecting" decisions is the thought of future value. So it may more be a ranking of priorties. It is safe to say I have never purchased an item I loathed simply because I felt it was a good investment.

Hallco · March 24, 2010 6:17AM

<< I also buy and sell cards to buy Baxter dog biscuits and steak/waffles for myself.

>>

"You pooped in the refrigerator? And you ate a whole wheel of cheese? How'd you do that? I'm not even mad... that's amazing."

krobinson98 · March 24, 2010 6:56AM

I am new to these boards and vintage material, learning about card sets and players of the past has drawn me in. Here is my thoughts on your question.

I believe the value and rarity of cards makes the collecting hobby what it is. Though a lot of collectors, including myself, don't purchase cards to make money or flip, a higher priced/rarer card can become a centerpiece of a collection and something you can be proud. Most people wouldn't buy a 500 card they enjoyed or wanted for their set if they knew in 1 year it would be worth nothing. Though you collect that card, Just like anything in life your collection goals/vision can change or in some cases people simply loose the desire to collect. In these cases it's nice to know you can sell your cards for hopefully what you paid for them. If you have a PSA 5 Willie Mays and suddenly a PSA 7 appears that you want, it's nice to know you can sell that PSA 5 to help finance the PSA 7. Though I might not expect to make money it's always nice to see cards you added to your collection go up in value, I sure enjoyed checking the value of my Beckett when I was a kid.

Now if every card was worthless and common, a big part of the enjoyment of the hobby would disappear. So my answer is I collect the cards I enjoy and not to make money. But I also enjoy collecting rarer and higher graded cards of the players and sets I enjoy. I also enjoy seeing my cards increase in value and take less enjoyment when they become worthless. I also would like to be able to sell my cards for hopefully something similar to what I paid for a card if my collecting vision/goals ever change. But I never expect to make money and currently have no plans to ever sell my personal collection but I will sell the cards I don't care for to finance cards I do.

So what does that make me, I'm a collector but because I want my cards to maintain value and have nothing against them increasing I guess I'm also an investor. I also believe the majority of collectors would be the same way.

.

MeteoriteGuy · March 24, 2010 6:58AM

<< 

<< ... to the guy collecting his favorite childhood relief pitcher (...if relief pitchers had fans..:^) >>

2 words for you...Dan Quisenberry!!! >>

Who happens to be my favorite childhood relief pitcher.

Give me Saberhagen, Quisenbery, Gubicza and Gordon...and you can have Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery....as long as it is an odd number year (Saberhagen factor).

diamondman · March 24, 2010 7:54AM

Day 1: (I was 9) collecting was fun and cheap: example 1919, 1939, 1940 world series tickets 1.00 each programs 2 to 4 dollars each, sportscards were bought by the box (not a wax box) a empty case of beer box filled with cards wrapped with rubber bands usually 2 to 20 dollars.

Day 2: I turn 15 and learn that cars and women cost more than sportscards. I quit collecting and start selling ( what I can).

Day 3: I get married (ouch) this really costs: house + kids + wife = I sell off my coin collection, as nobody pays any real money for cards.

Day 4: Open my first business (makes money and then fails after 3+ years), in between this time sold 1st house bought 2nd house.

Day 5: admit failure rent house, move back home with Mom & Dad. (8 months later move into car).

Day 6: quit job, open up 2nd business (full line hobby shop), quickly learn that people pay real money for sportscards. So now I buy sportscards just to sell and make money.

Day 7: Open up 2nd business (beanie babies) , a year later open up 3rd business (pokemon cards) , 2 months later open up 4th business (another beanie baby store). stretching myself thin.

Day 8: D-Day: divorce , close down all 4 businesses lose half of everything + some.

Day 9: worst days of my life: Dad & Mom die within 3 years of each other.

Day 10: Learn that I am getting old and now have to fight just to keep what I have left.

Day 11: kids are now 32 and 25, Bob Segar's Against the wind is my favorite song. Ebay has become a habit/necessary evil.

Day 11 1/2 : Happy that : prozac,Pain Pills & liquor were invented.

Day 12: (Bored, depressed and in pain see day 11 1/2) and replying to this thread:
answer to original question: when I buy , I plan to sell and hopefully make money. I still enjoy collecting (but collecting is short term for me) because there is more important things in life to enjoy or worry about. everything I have is for sale (at the right price).
Learned that Ebay is a necessary evil, so are the people that collect/invest/buy just to sell/ dealers /collectors/ and everything in between.

Day 12 1/100. I will quit rambling and go listen to (against the wind) and some Led for the head.

Day ????: I die the kids sell off everything at auction take pennies on the dollar and so goes Life.

bziddy · March 24, 2010 8:08AM

Rollie Fingers > Dan Quisenberry

...who happen to be two of my favorite players from when I was a kid collecting...

ElToroLoco · March 24, 2010 8:09AM

I collect what I enjoy, however, I understand that what I purchase will have value to my family once I die. Whether it's sentimental or monetary. The card with the most value is of my X-wife as a soccer player. The one with the most monetary value is my 1984 Topps John Elway Proof rookie card. John Elway is one of my favorite QB's, so I have an emotional and monetary investment in it. So, I collect for the fun of it and for the investment potential(that's why I grade). It's a good combination for a collector/investor, not so much for a business.

bvc · March 24, 2010 8:17AM

<< 
Now with that being said, watch my videos (link below) and I think the fact that I am a collector first and foremost will come through clearly (p.s. hope you enjoy the videos!)... >>

Hey dzolot! Stop pimping your lame youtube collection videos, your cards suck!

Haha..just kidding man. I go by a different name there. You and I have spoken before.

thehallmark · March 24, 2010 8:23AM

I'm not saying that the OP argued the other side of this...

But there is no reason that someone can't be a legit hard-core collector and also be an expert flipper/salesman of cards. When your collecting brain evolves, it is only natural that your buying/selling skills evolve with it.

fiveniner · March 24, 2010 8:32AM

Collect for pleasure only.

Last message for the next few weeks.

handyman · March 24, 2010 8:35AM

Didnt you buy those gretzky stickers to make a profit? Didnt you sell several to make 2000.00?
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=767764&highlight_key=y
you edited it but I thought in this tread you told how you bought 50+ of these and the guy didnt know the value but you did or something like that. And that you made quite a bit of money off of them. And you have one in your store for 1000.00

I think its the same thing even if you did buy them for your own collection is all.

divecchia · March 24, 2010 8:47AM

I collect. If I were trying to buy cards for investment purposes, it would be to much like work and that would take the enjoyment right out of it.

I work for a living, I buy cards for fun...Donato

Mac53 · March 24, 2010 10:47AM

Well, what little collecting I do these days is for fun. Seeing the value of what I've collected is a different thrill, I suppose. But not too much.

That said, don't be so hard on your dad.

WalterSobchak · March 24, 2010 11:43AM

Much like many people did, I tried my hand at collecting for profit during the Ben McDonald/Gregg Jefferies era. It didn't go so well.

Nowadays I buy only what I want to keep. When I sell it is only because of A) a shift in my collecting focus, or

I upgraded a card and now have no need for the lower-grade one.

If I happen to make money on a purchase when I sell, that's a nice bonus.

MCMLVTopps · March 24, 2010 12:00PM

I primarily collect Red Sox sets and some of my favorite players who once wore Red Sox uniforms, like Bill Lee, Rico Petrocelli and Luis Tiant. I remember well that summer when the radio announced the sudden death of Harry Agganis. Jimmy Piersall going wacky and yelling at Mickey Mantle in the deepest part of Fenway as he hustled for a ball hit by Jackie Jensen...an once Jim Pagliaroni waved to me from the bullpen. Red Sox memories, gotta love 'em. My cards keep me well connected to wonderful memories of going to Fenway with my dad.

I have a bunch of very nice raw Red Sox sets with some hard to find cards within, and several Registered sets under Teddy Ballgame. I have a couple of #1 sets in the Registry and generally I'm in the top 5 across the board, I've enjoyed the chase and the accomplishment. Having some PSA 10 1 of 1s is a nice feeling...not a selfish feeling, just a big appreciation for the card in your hand.

It is obvious that within our collections there is of course a value. If you hang on to what you have, generally things will go up in value. There is a certain thrill in getting that last card that you've waited or searched for for a long time. I don't collect to sell, but at some point I know I will sell everything I have...simple reason, I don't have anyone to leave my stuff to when I move on to the big Fenway in the sky.

About 14 feet behind where I'm typing this is my 1955 Topps set. I built a display case which is about 5'+ x 7'. The entire set just screams at you when displayed in this fashion, the colors, the players, the history, it's all there...it's a beautiful thing to see. point is, if you can, display your cards and enjoy the visual experience, your collection will have more of an impact (I think) instead of all piled in a Roop or some other box out of sight. With just 206 cards to collect, even a lower graded set of 55 Topps hanging on a wall in your tv/man cave is a thing of beauty!!

Above all, I collect what makes me happy. If I have dupes I do sell them though.

GL with whatever you collect!!

MULLINS5 · March 24, 2010 12:44PM

<< Didnt you buy those gretzky stickers to make a profit? Didnt you sell several to make 2000.00?
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=767764&highlight_key=y
you edited it but I thought in this tread you told how you bought 50+ of these and the guy didnt know the value but you did or something like that. And that you made quite a bit of money off of them. And you have one in your store for 1000.00

I think its the same thing even if you did buy them for your own collection is all. >>

As said in my original post: "I did, however, buy a large lot of cards recently in order to submit and get some 9's for my personal collection. Sure, I made money on the others, but this was not why I bought them."

I edited the post from that thread because I currently have those items in my eBay listings.

Patrick.

melvin289 · March 24, 2010 12:45PM

<< 

<< ... to the guy collecting his favorite childhood relief pitcher (...if relief pitchers had fans..:^) >>

2 words for you...Dan Quisenberry!!! >>

Rollie Fingers. ( and that was my 500th post )

Ron

pdub1819 · March 24, 2010 2:22PM

Nice thread. When I got back into collecting a few years ago, (I hardly knew a thing and I still feel like I have so so much to learn about collecting and graded cards), I bought cards that I liked and wanted to keep for my personal collection. I still follow that, but like so many other people have already voiced, I also have bought cards that I liked but then decided that I wanted another card more and so the previous card helped finance the new one. I also believe that many of us ask questions to the board, use VCP, check recent sale prices on Ebay, etc. in order to get the best deal on a card so that if there ever was a time in the future that we needed to sell a card, we have the best possible chance in making a profit. IMO.

DrLou · March 24, 2010 2:34PM

"I have never ever" is a junior high game played by teenage boys and girls--why Mullins is choosing to use this in the title of his thread is beyond me

fkw · March 24, 2010 3:38PM

I agree with alot of what you said.

I do collect what I like .... but I wont pass up a deal to buy something for pennies on the dollar especially if I know the track history of the item for last 20-30 years (low low risk).

Be as much of an expert as you can in what you collect, it makes it much easier.

Plus I live in a very rural place (basically the most isolated land mass in the world) with no jobs at all, my other hobby is surfing and raising palms and other exotic plants to sell at farmers markets (cant make a ton at these hobbies to pay bills), so Im in the bottom 5% of collectors as far as how thick my wallet is. But I still have fun looking for the next addition to my collection or great find I can flip.

Garabaldi · March 24, 2010 9:48PM

I have no problem selling items that I do not want anymore or that I pull that i don't collect. The objective is to build my collection bigger of cards/memorabilia that I do want.

MeteoriteGuy · March 24, 2010 11:55PM

<< I have no problem selling items that I do not want anymore or that I pull that i don't collect. The objective is to build my collection bigger of cards/memorabilia that I do want. >>

What do you think these are.....trading cards?

handyman · March 25, 2010 7:56PM

SXSW Anywone???

thedutymon · March 25, 2010 11:52PM

Morning,
I have Never Ever had anything to do with a Collectible that wasn't somewhere in the process about turing a profit. Sure I collect, until the right price comes along, and then I sell. And then I collect some more until the right price comes along....And you get it!!!!

I make no apologies, I am 53, have been involved in Coins, Stamps, Comics, Rare Science Fiction Paperbacks, 1st Edition Science Fiction Hardbacks, Tobacco cards. Non Sport cards, Sports cards, and on and on and on. And have made literally Hundreds and Hundreds of Thousands of dollars in Profits and they have contributed to allowing me to enjoy the life that I have (And Line the pockets of at least one Greedy, Shrew of an Ex-Wife) and all the things I do.

So yeah I collect.......................Wanna Buy A Rare Bridge?????????????

Neil

minnesotahusker · March 26, 2010 12:45AM

<< 

<< 

<< ... to the guy collecting his favorite childhood relief pitcher (...if relief pitchers had fans..:^) >>

2 words for you...Dan Quisenberry!!! >>

Who happens to be my favorite childhood relief pitcher.

Give me Saberhagen, Quisenbery, Gubicza and Gordon...and you can have Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery....as long as it is an odd number year (Saberhagen factor). >>

Aha, a Royals fan like myself!! I "was related" (sort of) to Bret Saberhagen before his divorce. I am 4th cousin to his former wife, Janeane. Not that I've ever met her or anything. But it did work to get me into the stadium for KC batting practice a couple of times, while the gates weren't open to the general public. Due to that, my buddy and I were two of only four people in the stadium not on the field this one time. Those other two people were down by the Royals dugout talking to my childhood idol, George Brett. We quickly ran down to the dugout, waited for them to finish their chat, then met George!! Good times, good times.

dzolot · March 26, 2010 2:25AM

<< 

<< 
Now with that being said, watch my videos (link below) and I think the fact that I am a collector first and foremost will come through clearly (p.s. hope you enjoy the videos!)... >>

Hey dzolot! Stop pimping your lame youtube collection videos, your cards suck!

Haha..just kidding man. I go by a different name there. You and I have spoken before.

>>

Thanks for the shout out BVC. I know it kind of seems like im pimping my videos. I don't mean to be obnoxious about it, I'm just really "passionate" about the hobby and my collection!! I feel like people on this board get that -- my wife sure doesn't!! haha...

My real motivation however is for people with better collections than mine (and i know there's plenty, especially on these boards) to make videos of their collections for ME TO EMJOY!!

I'm guessing you're a NYer based on the big yankees logo in your profile. Where do you live??

DeutscherGeist · March 26, 2010 5:56AM

I have found that buying what you like is the best way to avoid regrets later on.

I do not have the time to invest in making sportscards a lucrative business endeavor, although I know it can be done.

Right now, I patiently wait until I see the best graded Jim Abbott USA Olympic card I can find. I doubt it will go up in value (maybe just keep pace with the rate of inflation), but it brings back childhood memories of a pitcher I really admired. Sure, I have dozens of his cards raw, but I want one slabbed and I find its easier just to buy one in a PSA holder than submit one myself (its not like I can do a bulk submission). A PSA 10 recently sold for under $15 shipped. By the time I cherry pick my collection, submit to PSA and wait for the return, I have already spent so much in postage and grading fees, which I doubt will have much difference with $15. You guys know what I mean.

I also liked David Cone. Perhaps he will never be in the HOF, but the Yankee memories he left behind makes me want to have a slabbed card to display (I have many of his slabbed cards already). Very cheap to purchase GEM MINT of his rookies.

I agree with one of the other posts that if one really likes, say 1950s cards, its OK to get the whole collection in low grade (affordable), because they are still very interesting to look at. Getting low grade cards of Mantle, Ruth, Ryan, Seaver or Mays is cool. One still gets the enjoyment of owning these iconic pieces without breaking the bank.

If I ever wanted my hands on an all time great, I would opt for low grade because that is all I can afford, but I would enjoy it just as much as if GEM MINT. Enjoyment is the key word here. A mint Mantle rookie is nice, but its also an investment and if one feels comfortable just to have an authentic Mantle rookie, then the high grade really is not essential. Of course, the low grade stuff needs to be priced fairly too, otherwise forget it.

Nathaniel1960 · March 26, 2010 6:01AM

<< Give me Saberhagen, Quisenbery, Gubicza and Gordon...and you can have Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery....as long as it is an odd number year (Saberhagen factor). >>

Thanks, I'll gladly take the three HOF locks and the very reputable 4th starter (but for injuries), and their 14

consecutive division titles.

akuracy503 · March 26, 2010 6:13AM

<< I am new to these boards and vintage material, learning about card sets and players of the past has drawn me in. Here is my thoughts on your question.

I believe the value and rarity of cards makes the collecting hobby what it is. Though a lot of collectors, including myself, don't purchase cards to make money or flip, a higher priced/rarer card can become a centerpiece of a collection and something you can be proud. Most people wouldn't buy a 500 card they enjoyed or wanted for their set if they knew in 1 year it would be worth nothing. Though you collect that card, Just like anything in life your collection goals/vision can change or in some cases people simply loose the desire to collect. In these cases it's nice to know you can sell your cards for hopefully what you paid for them. If you have a PSA 5 Willie Mays and suddenly a PSA 7 appears that you want, it's nice to know you can sell that PSA 5 to help finance the PSA 7. Though I might not expect to make money it's always nice to see cards you added to your collection go up in value, I sure enjoyed checking the value of my Beckett when I was a kid.

Now if every card was worthless and common, a big part of the enjoyment of the hobby would disappear. So my answer is I collect the cards I enjoy and not to make money. But I also enjoy collecting rarer and higher graded cards of the players and sets I enjoy. I also enjoy seeing my cards increase in value and take less enjoyment when they become worthless. I also would like to be able to sell my cards for hopefully something similar to what I paid for a card if my collecting vision/goals ever change. But I never expect to make money and currently have no plans to ever sell my personal collection but I will sell the cards I don't care for to finance cards I do.

So what does that make me, I'm a collector but because I want my cards to maintain value and have nothing against them increasing I guess I'm also an investor. I also believe the majority of collectors would be the same way.

. >>

This statement pretty much sums it up for me, If I am going to spend thousands on my collection I DO need it to maintain it's value.

If I did not worry about value id either be a moron or filthy rich with no worry about $.

I have never ever ever...

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