1893-S Morgan Will it grade ? Big Pics (results in)

Smittys

Big pics at the bottom show the light scratch on front. also a rim ding.
Will it grade ?
And while there what would you grade it?

It Graded !!!!!!
F15

DennisH

I'd say no because of the old X on the cheek that looks like it was intentionally put there. (The rim dinglet is no big deal IMO.)
And that's a shame, because it's a nice looking Fine otherwise.

relicsncoins

I would say yes, as the marks on a large silver coin are cosistent with the level of wear. yes, the X could've been graffiti, but it coul've just as easily been two random marks. I think they give it a pass as a key date, and maybe ding it a grade.

coinguy1

My guess is no, due to the obverse mark and/or what looks as if it might be environmental damage on portions of the left side of the reverse.

robkool

F15...

Billet7

I think it will grade.

ocon4008

What do you have to lose? If it grades great; if it is put in a genuine holder for graffitti it still takes the concern away from a potential buyer that it is fake. JMHO.

doh

It'll grade at F12 if there is no environmental damage. The scratch and ding will probably be overlooked because it's a key...or knock it down to VG10 I guess.

DoubleEagle59

I will say it will grade.

The 'X' doesn't look that bad.

rld14

I'd say 70% shot, put ti this way, send it in 3 times, it WILL grade.

That being said, I absolutely LOVE the look of that coin, I'm working on a Dansco set of Morgans with pretty much that exact same look.

PTVETTER

I think it is worth a shot.

The rim ding is no big deal the mark on the cheek may or may not be the problem.

Go for it!

ziggy29

I think it has a better chance as a '93-S than as a more common date. Though in reality, getting it authenticated as genuine is 90% of the battle here.

Artist

I vote yes - perhaps that X was made intentionally... either way it happened a long time ago, and has subsequently garnered enough patina to become consistent with over all original look of the coin, which alone makes this 93-S more market desirable than all the other washed out examples I typically see holdered in this grade range.

I am not seeing the environmental damage Mark is referring to...

tightbudget

I say it'll grade at around F12. Sure it's got a few imperfections such as a corrosion spot on the nose and a couple marks on the cheek, but it's also got some real nice original skin to it which I think helps a bit.

Ahrensdad

Maybe some reason for it to come back in a genuine holder, but for that coin, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
Andrew

123cents

I think it would probably grade.

MarkInDavis

I believe it will grade.

lkenefic

F15 detail, the "X's" are fading (one more prevalent than the other). I'd give her an acetone bath to take care of the green spot on her nose and not be too surprised if it came back "Genuine"... L

coindeuce

FINE-11.65

sweetwilliet

My guess is no, it won't get in a problem free holder at PCGS, as the x looks intentional. Otherwise, a very nice looking 93-s.

JJM

<< <i>It'll grade at F12 if there is no environmental damage. The scratch and ding will probably be overlooked because it's a key...or knock it down to VG10 I guess. >>



im in this camp as well

telephoto1

a) I call it VG10.

b) Take another look at the larger obverse pic- there are 2 (two) X's on the obverse- the obvious one on the cheek and a thinner but much larger one in the hair design.

c) It also has active corrosion at the nose.

d) Thus it will not grade and will slab Genuine only.

pakasmom

I would hope it wouldn't grade. There shouldn't be one set of standards for key dates and a different set for common dates.

icsoccer

I believe it will.

291fifth

Genuine ... if it is. Possible corrosion in the fields and scratches on the cheek.

It is much too valuable a coin to be holdered without noting defects, especially in the charged grading environment we see today.

lkeigwin

The TPG's are more forgiving with keys but I think this will "genuine". The scratches and environmental damage are too much.

Still, as others have said, this is a coin that will benefit from a genuine holder. I'd definitely submit it.

I like its look!
Lance.

TennesseeDave

It may grade because its a key date,but I would hope they put it in a genuine holder,if it is genuine!

anablep

Damn shame about the X on the cheek.

I say submit it so it resides in a Genuine holder & can be sold later on.

You probably have a 25% chance of getting that holdered with a F grade, maybe "net" graded...

Cameonut

A couple of years ago I had a 27s Stading Liberty Quarter with an x in the field. It bodybagged at the time, I guess that means that it would land in a Genuine holder today.

So I am in the Genuine camp.

buffalohunter

VG08

Nocerino18

Genuine

Smittys

It graded F15

Wolf359

Oh wow!

DieClash

<< <i>It graded F15 >>



Congrats!

cmerlo1

Congratulations on the grade!

BUT in my OPINION:

If you're going to say you have standards and your grading is consistent, they should be applied evenly to all coins of a given type. If that coin was 1880-S, it would be in a genuine holder for graffiti or ED. I have seen more common Morgans dinged for FAR less. I would pay the same for an 1880-S to be certified, and I would expect the same treatment for it.

I would pass on that coin if I were considering buying it, especially at F-15 money, because to me it is a problem coin.

coindeuce

<< <i>It graded F15 >>



See my unedited GTG. DANG! Only 1.35 of a grade off the mark.

DennisH

Which company graded it?

Smittys

<< <i>Which company graded it? >>


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Halfhunter06

i think it will being a 93-s