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MesquiteMesquite Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭
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Murder, mayhem, fraud (gold plated tungsten bars at the Federal Reserve) and pretty Irish women - must have been their St. Patty's Day show. Watching the show reminded me of the tungsten/gold stories I read here a few weeks ago. Good show.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,333 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Murder, mayhem, fraud (gold plated tungsten bars at the Federal Reserve) and pretty Irish women - must have been their St. Patty's Day show. Watching the show reminded me of the tungsten/gold stories I read here a few weeks ago. Good show. >>




    Well, that'll make the gold-plated tungsten bar myth official......it's on TV!!!!!!!!

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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Murder, mayhem, fraud (gold plated tungsten bars at the Federal Reserve) and pretty Irish women - must have been their St. Patty's Day show. Watching the show reminded me of the tungsten/gold stories I read here a few weeks ago. Good show. >>




    Well, that'll make the gold-plated tungsten bar myth official......it's on TV!!!!!!!!

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    So this is a myth? Captain, I understand you're a man of facts, not conspiracies, but you don't believe a renowned refiner (Heraeus, in this case)? I find it hard to comprehend your point of view.

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  • AboutAgAboutAg Posts: 201 ✭✭


    << <i>So this is a myth? >>



    Gold bars with tungsten certainly do exist, and have for many years (there are reports at least as far back as 1982). The one in the refinery, if you watch the video, was discovered by an employee who thought something was wrong with the gold bar. That means that it isn't a good counterfeit, and can be discovered easily.

    The story about the 400oz tungsten bars from October/November of last year is almost certainly a hoax. If true, 98% of the United States gold reserves are fake bars. And somehow within hours of discovery the Chinese government managed to have most of the perpetrators in custody -- yet the people who did this were apparently almost exclusively in the United States (and did this 15 years ago, and are willing to discuss how many fake bars they made). And when they did this, they were able to successfully flood the market with 6.5 years worth of gold production with nobody testing a single bar.

    Like all great hoaxes, there is a grain of truth behind it -- but a mountain of made-up stuff.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The myth is that the central banks of several major countries contain vast quantities of gold-plated tungsten bars.
    The fact is that one 16+ ounce bar has been found to be drilled out.
    Quite a difference, don't you think?
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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The myth is that the central banks of several major countries contain vast quantities of gold-plated tungsten bars.
    The fact is that one 16+ ounce bar has been found to be drilled out.
    Quite a difference, don't you think? >>



    Does however make for a cool CSI plot ! ! ! image

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe all the holders of the phony bars don't want to know they're phony until afterthey pass them on to the next guy. Only way they'll get outed is if a buyer exposes them before purchase.

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nobody can keep a secret anymore.
    If vast quantities of gold-plated tungsten bars were out there, somebody would have claimed his 15 minutes of fame by breaking the story.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The myth is that the central banks of several major countries contain vast quantities of gold-plated tungsten bars.
    The fact is that one 16+ ounce bar has been found to be drilled out.
    Quite a difference, don't you think? >>



    Absolutely, that is a big difference. But just as prior to the outing of that half kilo tungsten-laden bar there had been "no evidence" of tungsten tampering, today there is "no evidence" of the gold-plated tungsten LGD bars. It's only my opinion, of course, but I don't necessarily believe that just because we haven't seen the evidence of further or more wide-spread tungsten fakery, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The jury is still out on this, in my opinion. I don't believe it or disbelieve it, but I do feel it's a distinct possibility. Just as I feel it's more than slightly likely that Fort Knox doesn't have the amount of gold in it that it's supposed to.

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    "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5

    "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    i saw the show last evening after recording it. i was watching with my wife and b4 they 'dipped' the bar i said "watch, the bar will be fake..."

    to say why haven't any of these bars been proved to exist? IMHO it would cause world wide currency and market chaos. either they do or they don't exist and we will probably never know. unless a 'gold bar' is seen being used as a door stop at the White House.

    enjoyed the wee possibility of a romance between "39 and 40", too.
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