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Update back from JSA... Steve Young Foundation TTM does not pass PSA/DNA
leathtech
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Just a warning to anyone sending to Steve Young's Foundation... Before you send a $100 card you may want to think twice.
N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1984 TOPPS USFL 52 STEVE YOUNG PSA/DNA CERTIFIED
N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1984 TOPPS USFL 52 STEVE YOUNG PSA/DNA CERTIFIED
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<< <i>Maybe PSA/DNA dropped the ball on that one??? >>
It's possible but it was very clean looking sig of Steve Young - not sure how or why they'd mess that one up...
<< <i>I never sent in autos. Do you send your thank you letter with the card? >>
No, I did not send the letter in... I might try JSA and see if they'll athenticate the auto.
<< <i>If your not looking to sell it I wouldn't worry about it, but I would like piece of mind myself. I like PSA/DNA because they slab the card. Does JSA do anything like that? Does Beckett use JSA for autos? >>
I think they just put a big red "AUTHENTIC" stamp on back of the card.
<< <i>Oh, man that sucks. What a jerk for cashing people’s checks and having someone else sign. In my opinion that is fraud. I don't have a problem with athletes doing that when they are signing for free. As soon as they except payment they are obligated to provide you with a legit graph. There has been allot of talk on SCN over the past month whether his auto's were ghost signed. >>
Maybe it's time to call his foundation? You would think these PROs would know better.
Steve Young you better watch out, all it takes is a forum to ruin you.
<< <i>Looks like that was more of a $20 donation than $100 >>
No it wasn't ... it cost him $95.00 for the card!!!!! It was a crackout from a PSA "8" holder.
IMO, if it's a fake auto the card is ruined.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>Just because PSA/DNA says it isn't real, doesn't make it so. >>
I agree but 95% of the autograph communitee (and potential buyers) do not.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
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<< <i>Looks like that was more of a $20 donation than $100 >>
No it wasn't ... it cost him $95.00 for the card!!!!! It was a crackout from a PSA "8" holder.
IMO, if it's a fake auto the card is ruined. >>
ooooooooooo! care to throw up a pic? you would think he would do autopen if this a regular stunt they pulled, I would be contacting them...
Here is the one I received back from The Foundation if you want to compare to see if it's autopen.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Sorry to hear this Jasen...
IMF
I’m really not that upset about losing the $100 – there is always a risk when you send via TTM. But when you send money to support a foundation you’d think you were getting the real deal!
When the card comes back I'm going to send it to JSA and see what they think. I'll also try and find an e-mail address for the foundation and see if I can get answer if the autograph was signed by Steve.
So my money says it's a real signature, and PSA / DNA has it wrong.
<< <i>I'd be really surprised if the sig from the foundation is not real. I'd be 10 times more likely to believe that PSA / DNA aired (erred) on the conservative side by not grading it, then to think that a foundation is asking for a $20 donation for an autograph which is not real.
So my money says it's a real signature, and PSA / DNA has it wrong. >>
I would tend to agree... just not sure why PSA/DNA would reject it - it's to bad PSA does not say why they felt it was not a good autograph.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>I agree that most likely PSA got it wrong. Jasen ... save yourself some time and money ... call PSA today ... tell them what happened ... send them the letter ... and ask Joe if he can have someone look at it again. Let us know what happens. >>
I would but they already shipped it back... for some reason I did not get the e-mail saying the grades poped - I just got an e-mail with the FEDEX tracking number. I will e-mail Joe and see if I can send it back for a review.
http://www.foreveryoung.org/
<< <i>can anyone get the following website to come up...
http://www.foreveryoung.org/ >>
YUP ... no problem
Michelle Knox, Director of Media and Public Relations
michelle@foreveryoung.org
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
It would be super stupid of the foundation to be sending
out fake sigs. The chances of it happening are ultra slim.
I would send the card back to PSA/DNA for another looksee.
Here are a few samples that I got back from him last year (one index card, one custom index card and a Fleer card) that match up to the Foundation exemplar posted previously:
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<< <i>can anyone get the following website to come up...
http://www.foreveryoung.org/ >>
YUP ... no problem
Michelle Knox, Director of Media and Public Relations
michelle@foreveryoung.org >>
thanks Doug... not sure why the site is blocked at my work???? anyway an e-mail has been sent, hopefully I can get to the bottom of this and be able to contact PSA after I get confirmation from the foundation.
Here is a couple 2008 Press Pass (released late 2008), my latest certifeid autos., and a RC from his Foundation this last year. Note the loops on the free autos. are a lot bigger, but Young is kind of signing in a box in the Press Pass autos, and if you see 8x10 or like signatures, they compare better with the bigger loops. It also appears the big loop Youngs have a sharper "Y" point on bottom them the others, but it is really hard to say.
The signatures from his foundation in my opinion, appear to be authentic. I feel like I can almost date a Young signature. It would really surprize me if they have tricked me and Scott. If I remember from previous Scott comments on these boards, when he wrote private returns above, he meant not through the Foundation.
I believe PSA DNA thinks they are autopens. Which they do not appear to be...but maybe some are?
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Didnt you get a EOT on a Jordan rookie pulled from a group break?
<< <i>Jasen,
Didnt you get a EOT on a Jordan rookie pulled from a group break? >>
Yep, thats me! PSA does not like me... I'm their vocal sky is falling customer!
Way to not display the flag properly, Fleer.
Could these be autopen'ed???
John
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
<< <i>I wouldn't be happy untill it was in a psa 8 holder again. >>
I screwed this one up... I put a small crease in the bottom of the card when I attempted to free the card from its PSA shackles... (I've taken out over 50 cheaper cards without a problem, go figure I screw this one up!)
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<< <i>I wouldn't be happy untill it was in a psa 8 holder again. >>
I screwed this one up... I put a small crease in the bottom of the card when I attempted to free the card from its PSA shackles... (I've taken out over 50 cheaper cards without a problem, go figure I screw this one up!) >>
You did WHAT to that card????????????? lol
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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<< <i>
<< <i>I wouldn't be happy untill it was in a psa 8 holder again. >>
I screwed this one up... I put a small crease in the bottom of the card when I attempted to free the card from its PSA shackles... (I've taken out over 50 cheaper cards without a problem, go figure I screw this one up!) >>
You did WHAT to that card????????????? lol >>
I know I suck... your PSA 8 would now be a PSA 5 but now has an auto on it