.

FilthyBroke

ormandh

WOW! Although, I cannot even think about pursuing this sector of collecting, I think that the ones that you have posted are very remarkable!

FilthyBroke

<< <i>WOW! Although, I cannot even think about pursuing this sector of collecting, I think that the ones that you have posted are very remarkable! >>





Thanks, it's actually gone from a side project to my main interest right now. There are a TON of different designs available,of course many are very hard to find in higher grades. It's an interesting area to me because of the artistry.

MacCrimmon

Let me guess!!!! You like "ship" jetons, right?

Very nice examples. Thanks for sharing.

determined

I am infatuated with jetons. They have such wonderful designs. But that's all I need, one more collecting focus. So I don't collect them. But I completely understand why they have become a main interest for you.

BTW, I really like your third one with the two mermaids and ship. What a cool design. What's the story on that one?

Blackhawk

Beautiful!

laurentyvan

It's an interesting area to me because of the artistry.

Your images just blew me away.

There's more character and better design in those jetons than 95% of the coins I've seen! Very nice.

FilthyBroke

<< <i>I am infatuated with jetons. They have such wonderful designs. But that's all I need, one more collecting focus. So I don't collect them. But I completely understand why they have become a main interest for you.

BTW, I really like your third one with the two mermaids and ship. What a cool design. What's the story on that one? >>




Here's what I have on the mermaid jeton-



Obverse description: Weapons of François Libault, lord of Beaulieu (mayor of Nantes from 1766-1770).

Reverse description: Weapons of the town of Nantes.

These specific jetons seem to have been used as a form of payment to aldermen. In 1787, the mayor received 140 jetons and each alderman received 70 from them, a total of about 700 annual tokens. It is thought that at least 100 different jetons were designed for Nantes.


Specific information can be hard to come by for many of these, in fact a good deal of jetons aren't even dated. You have to research the available information and estimate in many cases. I'm still looking for certain books that are said to be comprehensive guides to jetons, but they seem to be published only in French which could make research even harder.

FilthyBroke

<< <i> It's an interesting area to me because of the artistry.

Your images just blew me away.

There's more character and better design in those jetons than 95% of the coins I've seen! Very nice. >>





Thanks!

The designs of the French jetons quickly became intriguing to me, and the fact that they were minted for hundreds of years helps to give a collector a wide range to choose from. You can almost see the evolution of coin artistry, through the Rennaisance and into more modern times. As I understand it, most of these were minted at the same places that minted coins for circulation, and were designed by many of the same people who designed coinage.

OchoReales

I cannot echo the above sentiments enough! Mini wirks of art are what they are. I especially appreciate pieces 1,3 and 4 for thier designs. Nice eye for originality as well!

Lynch

Very attractive and interesting jeton collection you have.

Does the weight of these correspond to any of the silver coin denominations struck in France at the time?

laurentyvan

OK!
Revelation
Foundation
Participation
Elucidation
Enumeration
Admiration
Celebration
Decoration
Fascination
Lovin' the Jeton

Definitely a new collecting direction for me!

Sometimes all it takes are images...

FilthyBroke

<< <i>Very attractive and interesting jeton collection you have.

Does the weight of these correspond to any of the silver coin denominations struck in France at the time? >>





Hmmm...this is an interesting question. The 1625 is listed as Wt - 620gr. and 27.5mm, and the 1755 at wt - 8.1 gr. and 30mm.


I'd have to look into the specs on the others. I would have no way to compare these numbers with minted coinage of the time, but it would be interesting to find out if they were made on the same planchets as regular coinage.

FilthyBroke

Ok, here are a couple more -







(updated for a better picture)









This one is a restrike, dating around the 1850's-

laurentyvan

You scoundrel FilthyBroke!

You forced me into this realm of collecting by showing images from my native country
of small coin-like objects with art work and design that are irresistable! Thank God

This one is on the way from CGB. I've got to get them elsewhere though; 8 euros for
shipping is a bit expensive, unless its 2 day international.

It's not as old as yours but at any rate, I couldn't pass up the subject matter.

FilthyBroke

<< <i>You scoundrel FilthyBroke!

You forced me into this realm of collecting by showing images from my native country
of small coin-like objects with art work and design that are irresistable! Thank God

This one is on the way from CGB. I've got to get them elsewhere though; 8 euros for
shipping is a bit expensive, unless its 2 day international.

It's not as old as yours but at any rate, I couldn't pass up the subject matter.

>>




That's a nice design, I love the coin theme. It will be be nice to have company in this area of collecting.

BTW, their shipping is free with orders over 80 euros.

IloiloKano

The sixteenth century was from 1501 to 1600. Did you mean the mid-seventeenth century?

FilthyBroke

<< <i>The sixteenth century was from 1501 to 1600. Did you mean the mid-seventeenth century? >>




Well, I was just reading about the earliest French jetons which began being minted for other reasons besides counting, which should date date back to the mid to late 1500's. Of course, under Louis XIV the practice seemed to really take off, making the jeton's purpose primarily for gifting instead of accounting.

I'm reading Mitchiner's book Jetons, Medalets, and Tokens of the Low Countries and France and passing on some info that I found interesting.

IloiloKano

Sorry, I misunderstood your title. I thought you were saying the earliest jeton (1625) was mid-sixteenth century.

spoon

Awesome stuff!

Maybe this'll be a good place to ask: Does anyone have any idea how cgb.fr's archives work?! Is there any logic to them? They're a great resource for French stuff, but half the time you have to use a google string like "site:cgb.fr keyword" to actually find what you're looking for and then you still have no clue as to when anything sold. I guess that's what I'm really looking for, date of sale for their stuff...

laurentyvan

Does anyone have any idea how cgb.fr's archives work

They are tough!

Not as bad as a few years ago though.

I'm going to explore their archives and if I have trouble I'll make some parlez-vous
with their customer service and try to get you an answer.

spoon

Thanks
What I'm curious about is when the auctions were held.. they have titles like Jetons IX or whatever, but no indication of date (and even the denomination of FF vs EUR doesn't really help give a clue since they used both for so long before and after 2002)

SwK

Thanks all for positing, amazing quality and ART, as I wrote the Forum is a "den of information" held in the hands f its members who share it

Thanks
SwK

coinsarefun

<< <i>You scoundrel FilthyBroke!

You forced me into this realm of collecting by showing images from my native country
of small coin-like objects with art work and design that are irresistable! Thank God

This one is on the way from CGB. I've got to get them elsewhere though; 8 euros for
shipping is a bit expensive, unless its 2 day international.

It's not as old as yours but at any rate, I couldn't pass up the subject matter.

>>







Hey....I have had one for years
Still not sure its worth nor what it is

FilthyBroke

I thought I had seen that design before somewhere, nice one Stefanie!

This one just came in today-

coinsarefun

Nice one!

You keep coming up with the greatest ones

FilthyBroke

<< <i>Nice one!

You keep coming up with the greatest ones >>





Thanks, Stefanie!

I picked up a few more this week -







This one is a recarved date, 1784 over 1768-









I just liked the design on this one -

Zohar

What great designs. Excellent pickups.

FilthyBroke

<< <i>What great designs. Excellent pickups. >>



Thanks!

Here are two more that just came in -

FilthyBroke

Here's a little more info that I gathered from Mitchiner's book -




Here is a basic list of the recipients of officially manufactured jetons, although there are numerous subcategories to each department listed.


1. Central Administration (includes the following) -

King's Administration (Includes the king's council, justice, secretaries, etc.)

Royal Finances (Includes the king's treasurers, accounting, etc.)

Military

The Royal Estate

The Royal Family

Department of the City of Paris

Institutions of Paris (Includes finances, civic officials, churches and clergy, academies, and corporations)

French Colonies


2. Provincials (Includes private bodies/parties)

3. Municipalities of Paris

SwK

Hi. great pictures and very interesting

SwK
www.petitioncrown.com

FilthyBroke

<< <i>Hi. great pictures and very interesting

SwK
www.petitioncrown.com >>




Thanks!


This one just came in -

Bjorn

<< <i>Awesome stuff!

Maybe this'll be a good place to ask: Does anyone have any idea how cgb.fr's archives work?! Is there any logic to them? They're a great resource for French stuff, but half the time you have to use a google string like "site:cgb.fr keyword" to actually find what you're looking for and then you still have no clue as to when anything sold. I guess that's what I'm really looking for, date of sale for their stuff... >>



I don't know, but you need to be careful when ordering as well, as items are often sold that are still listed on the site. They have some great coins and jetons though!

Bjorn

BTW, FilthyBroke, how do you store your jetons - particularly the octagonal ones?

FilthyBroke

<< <i>BTW, FilthyBroke, how do you store your jetons - particularly the octagonal ones? >>




I use CoinWorld holders (slabs), and just custom-cut the inserts to fit the octagonal ones.

Bjorn

Thanks! I would like to eventually get into Jeton collecting - I already collect pre-WWI French coins - but I think I need to finish this degree I am working on first! I particularly like your ship-related pieces (especially the golden fleece one) and octagonal jetons!

FilthyBroke

<< <i>Thanks! I would like to eventually get into Jeton collecting - I already collect pre-WWI French coins - but I think I need to finish this degree I am working on first! I particularly like your ship-related pieces (especially the golden fleece one) and octagonal jetons! >>




Thanks! As I don't really know anyone else collecting these, I'd love some company. There a literally thousands of different designs, but don't let that be intimidating. I just look for the ones that appeal to my eye for art, such that it is.

Here's one that just came in, not such a great picture but my usual light source (the sun) wasn't cooperating today -


1754 chambre aux deniers

theboz11

That is a Gorgeous selection

farthing

You are building a KILLER collection!

FilthyBroke

<< <i>

You are building a KILLER collection!

>>




Thanks, I appreciate the complement! I'm really just having fun, building a collection of neat designs and stuff that catches my eye. I'm at least trying to keep it focused on silver, as they are usually lower mintages and often less circulated (at least for the earlier years), but that makes them harder to find. I have a couple coming in next week that you all may like, I'll post them when they arrive.

TokenTinker

All around gorgeous!

FilthyBroke

<< <i>All around gorgeous! >>




Thanks! I got a couple of new ones to add to the collection -

determined

Ho hum... more gorgeous jetons.



I'm kidding!

Keep posting them. I don't collect them but I really enjoy seeing them!

You seem to have the knack of finding interesting eye appealing examples.

TokenTinker

I don't collect them either but seeing them - even so vicariously - is an education! Lovely!

FilthyBroke

1766 Corporations Graveurs/Ciseleurs -


*added info - Minted for the coin and medal engravers, goldsmiths, seal engravers, etc.. Mitchiner lists the obverse as Saint James facing with staff and book, reverse is the city of Paris.

FilthyBroke

Well, my monthly fix arrived this morning.


1749 Lyon -


1821 Nantes -


...unfortunately the guy who stamped that one kinda missed the mark, and left a rim bump -


1845 Orphan token, Musique et Concertes -


1764 Payeurs de Rentes -

FilthyBroke

One more, but I just can't get the picture quite right. This'll have to do for now -

FilthyBroke

A little bit of collecting info that I've picked up on from collecting jetons - It's very hard to find higher grade jetons from the 1750's and earlier, not sure why unless they circulated rather heavily back then. That would be my guess, anyway. In fact, I don't recall seeing uncirculated silver jetons from before the 1750's, and even ef-xf are often very tough to come by. Makes me wonder if these were treated as money or trade tokens during hard times. Any thoughts?

FilthyBroke

Well, my other order arrived early, so I'll post them up here too.

First, another mermaid themed jeton, 1738 Galeres Royales- Marine



And several religion themed jetons-

1684 Ville de Rouen



1712 Clerge et Eglises de Rouen



1710 Ile de France - Villes et Noblesse

FilthyBroke

Semi-interesting story -

So I'm showing my new pickups to the Mrs. the other day, and she asks - "Just how many of these have half-naked ladies on them?"
I guess there are quite a few "naked ladies" that have graced my collection, but I didn't really have a solid tally of them, you know?
She followed that one up of course by asking - "Where are the naked men?" Well, I had to tell her that I don't want to see that when
looking through my collection! She was just kidding around of course, but it is fun to have a little constructive input of your collection. Mostly.

It's funny how others can perceive your collection differently and you would never have given it a second thought without their input.


Ok guys, let's see some more jetons poted here. Please?

LimaPeru

Looks like a very interesting area of collecting. Worth putting a bit of leg work into I'd say.

Nice examples too - keep those beauties coming.