Can someone post a pic of Bill Buckner's 1985 Fleer card; it has an interesting prediction. :)

Estil

I'm not able to post the pic myself but if someone else could I'd greatly appreciate it. I did happen to show it to my wife (who's from Boston and a Red Sox fan and remembers Buckner's infamous blunder) and she thought it was, well, "interesting".

Anyway, look at Bill Buckner's 1985 Fleer card and you'll see it accurately predicts what was to come for Mr. Buckner the very next year. I just hope the Red Sox fans here don't kill me for this...

skilow

Since you didn't post the pic, I think you willl be forgiven.


The card you mention shows a 3ft-4ft tube between Bill's legs!


He still is not the "only" reason the Sox lost that year, as that was only game 6. The whole NE area is entirely placing the blame on one man who dosent deserve it!

Where where tho BoSox in game 7?

Estil

Actually, it's the 1990 Upper Deck card that shows the "tube" around his legs. The 1985 Fleer card shows something even more, eh, interesting.

metrotheme

http://www.beckett.com/Images/PGItems/532960101.jpg

The card is in the link above.

fandango

a perfect example of why you need to field the ball with TWO hands...you need your throwing hand to "scoop" up the ball....

Bill was a One handed Fielder, and it sure came back to BITE him!

i can still picture him, leaning down WITH ONLY ONE HAND, as the ball went through his wickets....

mlbfan2

<< <i>a perfect example of why you need to field the ball with TWO hands...you need your throwing hand to "scoop" up the ball....

Bill was a One handed Fielder, and it sure came back to BITE him!

i can still picture him, leaning down WITH ONLY ONE HAND, as the ball went through his wickets.... >>



Why would it matter though, since the ball went under his glove? If he used two hands, the same thing would have happened.

RoarIn84

he never even should have SEEN that ground ball.......

Sox must have felt like saying "See what GOD just did to us, man??"

bking

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<< <i>a perfect example of why you need to field the ball with TWO hands...you need your throwing hand to "scoop" up the ball....

Bill was a One handed Fielder, and it sure came back to BITE him!

i can still picture him, leaning down WITH ONLY ONE HAND, as the ball went through his wickets.... >>



Why would it matter though, since the ball went under his glove? If he used two hands, the same thing would have happened. >>



Except that using two hands encourages you to stay down, whereas using the one hand 'swipe' allows you to stay higher.

bziddy

I must be remembering it wrong...I'd swear he had his throwing hand down, he just came up to throw before he actually had the ball. I mildly remember my friend's dad lecturing us about this. "You have to catch the ball before you throw it. He was throwing it before he caught it."

lsutigers1973

Buckner was an outstanding player and would probably be considered a borderline HOF'er if not for one play.

That one play can be attributed to the fact that he had horrible knees after numerous surgeries. He could barely bend over to field a ball at the time of the 86 WS. Have you seen him lately? He can barely walk.

SidePocket

It was a bad hop.

Allen

<< <i> Buckner was an outstanding player and would probably be considered a borderline HOF'er if not for one play.

That one play can be attributed to the fact that he had horrible knees after numerous surgeries. He could barely bend over to field a ball at the time of the 86 WS. Have you seen him lately? He can barely walk. >>



Surely you jest.

SDSportsFan

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<< <i> Buckner was an outstanding player and would probably be considered a borderline HOF'er if not for one play.

That one play can be attributed to the fact that he had horrible knees after numerous surgeries. He could barely bend over to field a ball at the time of the 86 WS. Have you seen him lately? He can barely walk. >>



Surely you jest. >>




Just to tell you how close it is, if Buckner had gotten 13 more hits per year during his career, he'd have 3,001 career hits. He was first eligible for the Hall of Fame in 1996. It would be very hard to keep him out if that had been the case.


Steve

Stone193

Buckner's blunder.

One of the saddest days in sports - especially for a sox fan. But, the reaction of the fans was inordinate - threatening his life? That's just too much.

The sportsworld is entertainment. There's far more pressing things in our reality.

I only made up a voodoo doll and stabbed him 100 times!


mike

bking

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<< <i>

<< <i> Buckner was an outstanding player and would probably be considered a borderline HOF'er if not for one play.

That one play can be attributed to the fact that he had horrible knees after numerous surgeries. He could barely bend over to field a ball at the time of the 86 WS. Have you seen him lately? He can barely walk. >>



Surely you jest. >>




Just to tell you how close it is, if Buckner had gotten 13 more hits per year during his career, he'd have 3,001 career hits. He was first eligible for the Hall of Fame in 1996. It would be very hard to keep him out if that had been the case.


Steve >>



You do realize 13 more hits per year is 30+ points in Batting Average??

SDSportsFan

<< <i>You do realize 13 more hits per year is 30+ points in Batting Average?? >>




I didn't realize that

13 hits a year seems close, considering great defensive plays, balls falling barely foul, errors by the fielder that could've been ruled a hit..........

Anyway, I've always thought of Buckner as one of those players who, if things had just been a little bit better for them, could've been a HOFer. He was one of the leading batsmen in the 1970s.

Kinda like Al Oliver and Vada Pinson.


Steve

Tabe

<< <i>He still is not the "only" reason the Sox lost that year, as that was only game 6. The whole NE area is entirely placing the blame on one man who dosent deserve it!

Where where tho BoSox in game 7? >>


Not to mention the game was already tied before the Buckner play. They were at least going to another extra inning anyway.

Here's a slightly different video of the play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GgbP9C9Zk

Tabe

Garabaldi

You can point to alot of different plays before Buckner's blunder, but it is always the last play you remember.

WinPitcher

<< <i>You do realize 13 more hits per year is 30+ points in Batting Average?? >>





How did you come up with that figure?

With all his at bats I'd have thought it would have meant 10 points, possibly a tad more.





Edited to add, I did the math and it is indeed 10 more points on his average.

I assume the original poster meant that he would have had those extra hits without extra at bats.

thus 10,033 at bats and 3001 hits = a .299 average, Billy ended his career with a .289 average.

I just woke up sp my math could be wrong.

Steve

bking

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<< <i>You do realize 13 more hits per year is 30+ points in Batting Average?? >>





How did you come up with that figure?

With all his at bats I'd have thought it would have meant 10 points, possibly a tad more.





Edited to add, I did the math and it is indeed 10 more points on his average.

I assume the original poster meant that he would have had those extra hits without extra at bats.

thus 10,033 at bats and 3001 hits = a .299 average, Billy ended his career with a .289 average.

I just woke up sp my math could be wrong.

Steve >>



I frankly never gave him credit for averaging 600 ABs a year.

Made up season of 500 ABs. My math was still a bit, as I get 26 points today.

150 Hits - .300
163 Hits - .326
193 Hits - .352