"Wrinkle" vs. Crease
bziddy
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I'm sorting thru some Red Backs that I am going to send in. I have several that have very noticeable creases, while I have one or two that have a very faint crease, almost not enough to be called a crease, but more a 'wrinkle.'
Does severity of crease matter, or do they degrade equally? What if it's on back, but the front of the card is nice?
Does severity of crease matter, or do they degrade equally? What if it's on back, but the front of the card is nice?
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Wrinkle = visible on front OR back
my opinion anyway
<< <i>Crease = visible on front and back
Wrinkle = visible on front OR back
my opinion anyway >>
Agreed, that is what I have always heard for definitions as well.
Snorto~
<< <i>I'm sorting thru some Red Backs that I am going to send in. I have several that have very noticeable creases, while I have one or two that have a very faint crease, almost not enough to be called a crease, but more a 'wrinkle.'
Does severity of crease matter, or do they degrade equally? What if it's on back, but the front of the card is nice? >>
A crease by definition should be on the front and back since it was bent.
A wrinkle is only seen on ONE side.
I'm not the best on grading but - a crease can have severity - i.e. - does the crease break the paper veneer or not - a wrinkle to me is something that may have happened during the production of the card.
A wrinkle will lower the grade to a 4 (I've seen it on 5s also - on the back of the card) if on front I believe whereas a crease - especially if breaking the surface - a "crack" in the card - will drop it way lower.
It's obvious I don't spend time grading my cards.
mike
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A wrinkle will lower the grade to a 4 (I've seen it on 5s also - on the back of the card) if on front I believe whereas a crease - especially if breaking the surface - a "crack" in the card - will drop it way lower.
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That's what I was looking for -- Wrinkle is a 4 (5 on a good day?)
That's a bummer, 4 of my better Red Backs (Feller, Kiner, Snider, Spahn) have wrinkles (maybe 1 has a crease).
A wrinkle can occur with very slight abuse, or even during the manufacturing process as the printed cardboard is cut, and perhaps mishandled ever so slightly and the cardboard bends and wrinkles. i've always suspected also that wrinkles could occur actually in the same manner before printing or possibly in the paper manufacturing process, IE - the unprinted paper came to Topps already with a wrinkle.
A wrinkle to my knowledge gives a card an automatic PSA 5 at best regardless of the condition, which frankly considering the above statement, I've always felt was a bit harsh. but card grading evolved out of coin grading whereby a scratch significantly reduces the value of a coin.
In my opinion, I don't think a beautiful potential PSA 9 or 10 card should be given an automatic 5 just because of a small wrinkle...but that's the way it is. But I can't complain too much because from a collector standpoint you can sometimes get some beautiful PSA 5 cards at bargain prices if willing to accept a small wrinkle.
Crease is another matter - a creased card deserves a maximum PSA 5 grade in my view.
Shane
Wrinkle is what you see AFTER a card has been graded by PSA.
Anyway, I'll take Wrinkle +7
PSA should take into account the severity of the wrinkle. ANY wrinkle, regardless of severity, currently costs a card 3 steps in the grade.
I, too have had otherwise mint or gem mint cards come back PSA 6 due to a small surface wrinkle that can only be seen in the card it tilted just right and catches the light just so.
Too harsh.
It can be on either side or both.
A wrinkle (again IMO) was a factory defect while a crease was after factory.
Although a machine jam could in fact cause a crease at the factory too.
A crease will generally lower a card to a 2, possibly a 3, while a wrinkle depending on severity, and other attributes the card may have
will lower it to a 4 or 5.
Scott also gave a good assessment.
With this I better get off the comp and get some work done.
See ya's all later, play nice and be nice.
Steve
Does severity of crease matter, or do they degrade equally? What if it's on back, but the front of the card is nice?
Imo I would keep them raw if they have even a slight wrinkle. I have bought many raw and graded red backs over the years and have bought many mid grade graded red backs that were in appearance mint but on the back had a slight 1/4 inch wrinkle that dropped the grade from a 9 to a psa 5. Many red back cards if deemed psa 5 or lower are not even worth the grading fees(*commons and semi-stars) and would display just as nice if they were in a binder that takes up less space. If you are selling the cards al most always better to sell midgrade psa 4 to psa 5 quality raw. Jmho , Post some pics for us ! Ryan
1951 Topps Red backs psa 8 only!
1960 Golden Press Presidential set Psa 8 's - Psa 9's
1961 Golden Press psa 9's
1976 Topps baseball psa 9 Stars
1980 Kelloggs baseball Psa 9's - Psa 10's
1988-1989 Fleer Basketball psa 9's
1988-1989 Fleer Stickers psa 9's
1989-1990 Fleer Basketball psa 10's
1992 Coca-Cola Donruss Nolan Ryan 1-26 Psa 10 only Gpa 9.80++ E-mail Newyork00007@aol.com
Here is a 5 with a wrinkle: Bauer Here is a 8 (no wrinkle) Pollet
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<< <i>Crease is what you see when you avoid sending a card to PSA.
Wrinkle is what you see AFTER a card has been graded by PSA.
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Too funny! That's the story of my life!