Yes ouch, but what Boo is not telling you is that he won 2 grand in a bet by converting the 7-9 split lefthanded and backwards while lining himself up using 2 of the refractors taped to his sunglasses as mirrors. So the $1800 profit is a little misleading.
Yes ouch, but what Boo is not telling you is that he won 2 grand in a bet by converting the 7-9 split lefthanded and backwards while lining himself up using 2 of the refractors taped to his sunglasses as mirrors. So the $1800 profit is a little misleading. >>
I would like to take this moment to applaud Tom for this much-needed clarification. Also, how did Tom know I was left-handed? How utterly eerie..
Additionally, I'd like to clarify that my central point is as follows: In the world of sports cards, we have all-- and I fully include myself here-- have been burned, or otherwise taken, for literally 1000's of dollars by this point. If you've spent any significant amount of time in this hobby somebody, at some point, has either a) literally ripped you off, or b) bought something from you and flipped it for an obscene profit. This happens ALL THE TIME in this hobby. Hell, recently Schwartz (a board member) bought a couple of '69 MLB Photostamps of HOFers in PSA 10 from me in, and basically gloated in a post over the low price he paid (roughly $10 per).
Am I angry? No. Am I 'disenchanted'? No. You spend enough time buying and selling, and this stuff is going to happen. So what's the moral? I'm glad you asked! The moral is: "Quit bellyaching when you get bent over the rail for $20 or so, because the odds are heavy that someone has bent you over for a much more significant sum at some point in the last 60 days!' Such is life in the world of sport memorabilia. We get reamed, we apply some KY, and we move on.
All very possible, it's also possible the person that sold you the shiny cards for 400.00 and change might have gotten them for pennies and thus made a higher pct in profit, and made it in one sale while it took you 36 sales or whatever.
Did you have them graded at BCCG?
That's what I'd like to know.
I do have to agree with ya regarding mistakes, I have made my fair share of them too.
<< <i>All very possible, it's also possible the person that sold you the shiny cards for 400.00 and change might have gotten them for pennies and thus made a higher pct in profit, and made it in one sale while it took you 36 sales or whatever.
Did you have them graded at BCCG?
That's what I'd like to know.
I do have to agree with ya regarding mistakes, I have made my fair share of them too.
Steve >>
It was a lot of 37 graded cards, so I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether the seller had 'pennies' into the lot.
But that isn't the point. The point is that it's silly to complain over a few dollars here and there when you operate in a hobby where you're constantly getting bent for $1000's of dollars. For instance, I recently paid $500 for a '72 Topps and '74 Topps partial sets that would charitably grade out at VG. When the dust had settled I had lost $275 on the deal. Given that, how silly would I look if I made a public complaint about the guy who recently sent me a '96 Topps Finest refractor with $.34 postage due?
<< <i>Given that, how silly would I look if I made a public complaint about the guy who recently sent me a '96 Topps Finest refractor with $.34 postage due? >>
<< <i>Given that, how silly would I look if I made a public complaint about the guy who recently sent me a '96 Topps Finest refractor with $.34 postage due? >>
Now that's funny.
mike >>
You see, guys, Mike gets it. Mike (like I) lost literally $1000's playing the speculation game in the late '80's, early '90's, so to him (again, like myself) the idea of grousing over a $15 shipping charge or whatever just seems comical. This is the WRONG HOBBY for people who get bent out of shape over small losses/overcharges. If you're the type who just can't handle this, or who thinks these losses warrant posts on an Internet message board, then for God's sake get out of baseball cards and start collecting bottle caps.
<< <i>At the end of the day, a seller is either trying to profit off his shipping charges, or he is not.
And to me anyway, that fact says something about the seller's character. >>
Yea, those sellers that list and sell a $5 card for .99 and try "hiding" their $2.50 S&H charge where ebay requires sellers to put their shipping charges for all potential buyers to see are the scum of the earth and of low moral character. How dare they let the buyer decide how much they are willing to pay for an item by setting out all costs and charges for all potential buers to see beforehand. They probably kick dogs too.
I once bought a lot of 180 cards for $60 and paid $19.99 for shipping. I knew what the guy was charging for shipping and made my bid accordingly. I ended up getting a really good deal on the lot as it was worth easily over $100. The seller shipped quickly, packaged it well and I was extremely happy with the deal. He got 5 stars in all categories from me and great feedback.
To me, a person who knows what this seller's shipping charges are beforehand and bids on their cards and then complains about shipping, they are just trying to get even more money out of the seller, even though they already got a great deal and to me at least IMO are the ones who are being greedy.
You shouldn't have a problem with sellers like this but with the ones who charge $19.99 for shipping and put the cards loosely in a box so they can get dameged or the seller who charges $3 for a single card and ships in a PWE.
Or how about that great seller of high moral character who offers free shipping and they put about zero effort into packaging your cards and they come damaged? Give me the seller who charges $19.99 for a lot or $3 for a single card and takes care in packaging my items any day over these guys.
At the end of the day are you going to not order from the guy who took care in packaging and charged $3 to ship your $5 card that you paid .99 for or are you going to stop buying from the guy who sells the same card to you for $4 with free shipping and sends it in a PWE and it gets a bent corner on it and is now worth nothing?
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<< <i>Ouch.
Steve >>
Agreed, wow.
Ouch. >>
<< <i>Ouch.
Steve >>
Yes ouch, but what Boo is not telling you is that he won 2 grand in a bet by converting the 7-9 split lefthanded and backwards while lining himself up using 2 of the refractors taped to his sunglasses as mirrors. So the $1800 profit is a little misleading.
<< <i>
<< <i>Ouch.
Steve >>
Yes ouch, but what Boo is not telling you is that he won 2 grand in a bet by converting the 7-9 split lefthanded and backwards while lining himself up using 2 of the refractors taped to his sunglasses as mirrors. So the $1800 profit is a little misleading. >>
I would like to take this moment to applaud Tom for this much-needed clarification. Also, how did Tom know I was left-handed? How utterly eerie..
Additionally, I'd like to clarify that my central point is as follows: In the world of sports cards, we have all-- and I fully include myself here-- have been burned, or otherwise taken, for literally 1000's of dollars by this point. If you've spent any significant amount of time in this hobby somebody, at some point, has either a) literally ripped you off, or b) bought something from you and flipped it for an obscene profit. This happens ALL THE TIME in this hobby. Hell, recently Schwartz (a board member) bought a couple of '69 MLB Photostamps of HOFers in PSA 10 from me in, and basically gloated in a post over the low price he paid (roughly $10 per).
Am I angry? No. Am I 'disenchanted'? No. You spend enough time buying and selling, and this stuff is going to happen. So what's the moral? I'm glad you asked! The moral is: "Quit bellyaching when you get bent over the rail for $20 or so, because the odds are heavy that someone has bent you over for a much more significant sum at some point in the last 60 days!' Such is life in the world of sport memorabilia. We get reamed, we apply some KY, and we move on.
have gotten them for pennies and thus made a higher pct in profit, and made it in one sale while it took you 36 sales or whatever.
Did you have them graded at BCCG?
That's what I'd like to know.
I do have to agree with ya regarding mistakes, I have made my fair share of them too.
Steve
<< <i>All very possible, it's also possible the person that sold you the shiny cards for 400.00 and change might
have gotten them for pennies and thus made a higher pct in profit, and made it in one sale while it took you 36 sales or whatever.
Did you have them graded at BCCG?
That's what I'd like to know.
I do have to agree with ya regarding mistakes, I have made my fair share of them too.
Steve >>
It was a lot of 37 graded cards, so I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether the seller had 'pennies' into the lot.
But that isn't the point. The point is that it's silly to complain over a few dollars here and there when you operate in a hobby where you're constantly getting bent for $1000's of dollars. For instance, I recently paid $500 for a '72 Topps and '74 Topps partial sets that would charitably grade out at VG. When the dust had settled I had lost $275 on the deal. Given that, how silly would I look if I made a public complaint about the guy who recently sent me a '96 Topps Finest refractor with $.34 postage due?
Are you implying Mr. Vintage is constantly getting bent for thousands of dollars?
Steve
<< <i>Given that, how silly would I look if I made a public complaint about the guy who recently sent me a '96 Topps Finest refractor with $.34 postage due? >>
Now that's funny.
mike
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<< <i>Given that, how silly would I look if I made a public complaint about the guy who recently sent me a '96 Topps Finest refractor with $.34 postage due? >>
Now that's funny.
mike >>
You see, guys, Mike gets it. Mike (like I) lost literally $1000's playing the speculation game in the late '80's, early '90's, so to him (again, like myself) the idea of grousing over a $15 shipping charge or whatever just seems comical. This is the WRONG HOBBY for people who get bent out of shape over small losses/overcharges. If you're the type who just can't handle this, or who thinks these losses warrant posts on an Internet message board, then for God's sake get out of baseball cards and start collecting bottle caps.
<< <i>Boo
Are you implying Mr. Vintage is constantly getting bent for thousands of dollars?
Steve >>
I'm implying that we've all been bent for thousands, so don't complain about $15 here or there.
Boo IMO it would be silly even without knowing you just got bent for 275.00 To me that is irrelevant.
However, one could say that if people want to complain about mundane things here no one is forcing you or anyone for that matter
to read it or reply to it either.
Steve
<< <i>At the end of the day, a seller is either trying to profit off his shipping charges, or he is not.
And to me anyway, that fact says something about the seller's character. >>
Yea, those sellers that list and sell a $5 card for .99 and try "hiding" their $2.50 S&H charge where ebay requires sellers to put their shipping charges for all potential buyers to see are the scum of the earth and of low moral character. How dare they let the buyer decide how much they are willing to pay for an item by setting out all costs and charges for all potential buers to see beforehand. They probably kick dogs too.
I once bought a lot of 180 cards for $60 and paid $19.99 for shipping. I knew what the guy was charging for shipping and made my bid accordingly. I ended up getting a really good deal on the lot as it was worth easily over $100. The seller shipped quickly, packaged it well and I was extremely happy with the deal. He got 5 stars in all categories from me and great feedback.
To me, a person who knows what this seller's shipping charges are beforehand and bids on their cards and then complains about shipping, they are just trying to get even more money out of the seller, even though they already got a great deal and to me at least IMO are the ones who are being greedy.
You shouldn't have a problem with sellers like this but with the ones who charge $19.99 for shipping and put the cards loosely in a box so they can get dameged or the seller who charges $3 for a single card and ships in a PWE.
Or how about that great seller of high moral character who offers free shipping and they put about zero effort into packaging your cards and they come damaged?
Give me the seller who charges $19.99 for a lot or $3 for a single card and takes care in packaging my items any day over these guys.
At the end of the day are you going to not order from the guy who took care in packaging and charged $3 to ship your $5 card that you paid .99 for or are you going to stop buying from the guy who sells the same card to you for $4 with free shipping and sends it in a PWE and it gets a bent corner on it and is now worth nothing?