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New Ebay Fee Structure Announced.

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That's a massive increase in final value fees for auctions ending well over $25. It used to be 3.5% after the first $25.

If people thought there were too many auctions before...just wait. Sellers are going to want to pass on these added expenses, and the only way to do that is through a fixed price.

Sellers of cheap stuff will be largely unaffected; they may actually benefit if they've been starting their listings at .99.

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  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    My bad - I just saw that the auction FVF after $25 are at their old rates if you're a store subscriber. So, basically, they're just forcing people to own a store if they want the lower selling fees. It's not as bad as I first thought.
  • I sell mostly low dollar items....amazingly, on the cover, this appears to be a good thing for me.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    that sucks.. my basic store fees are going way way up..
    it was .03-.10 per listing depending on the $

    now $.20 per listing?? are you kidding?
  • My bad...didn't see the different fee structures. Guess my fees go from 0.3 to 0.5 and store fees increase about $35....but I would get 100 free listings...at $0.99, instead of wasn't it 5...and things are found in normal ebay search. Not sure what to think. Guess that may kill like the postcard sellers and like on ebay? But help out some of the dealers...like say 4SQ?
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>link

    That's a massive increase in final value fees for auctions ending well over $25. It used to be 3.5% after the first $25.

    If people thought there were too many auctions before...just wait. Sellers are going to want to pass on these added expenses, and the only way to do that is through a fixed price.

    Sellers of cheap stuff will be largely unaffected; they may actually benefit if they've been starting their listings at .99. >>



    Unless I'm reading this wrong it looks like store subscribers and getting the big bone, while smaller sellers are making out great. It looks like FVF's for smaller sellers are 9% with a $50 cap, while for store subscribers it's 8.75% up to $50, and 4% after that.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭
    UGGGGG - are they kidding!?!?!?!
  • Using the eBay calculator...and using the numbers from my eBay store, averaging the last three months, my fees would go from ~$250 to $331. This is with 1600 listings of various price. Many small items like first day stamp covers ($3-4 with free shipping) and a lot of high dollar items, like meteorites. Average sale price I get is $20.00 between everything. But I am not sure if I can trust the calculator they provide as my average...is not my most common.

    It would likely balance, $250-331, with things coming up in regular search. Plus I can likely make some changes, to get the max out of the new system likely and balance out or come out ahead. This is all if I can trust their calculator.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark it down - if Ebay makes a change, it is always for the worse and never for the best (except for them).

    Shane

  • mexpo75mexpo75 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭
    I do not sell very many things on ebay. When I do, I usually sell with Buy it Now and make an offer option. Can someone tell me if my fees are going up a lot. I looked at the link, but I cannot tell. Thanks.
    PackManInNC
  • Could a few other people run their ebay numbers through the calculator and see how they compare with me?

    Your my ebay shows the last 90 days sold in numbers and price, so divide by a 1/3. I use auction in a slightly different format so I put what I thougt where my best numbers in both columns.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    I pay 10 per month for auctiva right now so with them doing 12 pics could be helpful.. so I can save there maybe?
  • Up to 12 photos is great....but not sure why everyone wasn't using photobucket. Photobucket isn't perfect...but it is close and free.

    For single or multiple photos where you want the photos stacked use this:

    <P align=center><center><img src= "photobucket http address here"></center><P align=center>

    Or to show like card scans next to each other...meaning no space between images.

    <P align=center><center><img src= "photobucket http address here"><img src= "photobucket http address here"></center><p align="center">





    Edited to removed the extra <P align=center>. Have typed these things too many times.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.


  • << <i>that sucks.. my basic store fees are going way way up..
    it was .03-.10 per listing depending on the $

    now $.20 per listing?? are you kidding? >>



    Wow,
    I am still in shock. .20 cents per listing! I have about 1000 items out of my 1400 that I am not paying that per month to list, 3-4 months I am giving it away for free.
    When does this go into affect....I feel an Auction listings to dump stock coming on!!!!!

    Wow it's really convoluted and haven't figured it all out, but from a quick overview it looks like I may have to re-think the whole Store thing, or at the very least completely re-think my whole selling stratagy. Wow what a shame!

    Has somebody smarter than me figured out all the angles? Are the costs listing in Fixed Price for Stores different than what they used to call Fixed Price. Does that mean that a listing in my Store for a $4 dollar item, that I used to pay .03 cents per month is now going to cost me .20 cents per month? There is no way I could ever justify that.

    Wow and Wow again.

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • If you pay the $50 a month, instead of what $16.95 or $19.99...can't remember what my store fee is exactly now, you benifit from lower final sale fees, but you pay $0.05 instead of $0.03. That would be the best thing of the new system to me. On small sale items now the final fee is 10%....on the new 8%. Will that make up the extra $30 and $0.02 each item is the question for me...from what I can see.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.


  • I dont get it, dont own a store and get 100 free auction listings at under 99cents own a store and pay 10.00????

    I see this a way for ebay to boost sellers.....Your going to see many multiple stores from same sellers imo......

    For me its probably help me move 1.00 cards which is most my inventory......

    Neil if you can ever figure it out LMK please when I think i have a grasp HEY LETS CHANGE SOMETHING!!!!!


  • meteor

    Question is how much does your selling percentage have to go up to cover the other 35 bux for the store??


  • << <i>meteor

    Question is how much does your selling percentage have to go up to cover the other 35 bux for the store?? >>




    I guess about 4-5%, (closer to 3% but figure in some cost on those items) but the 2% less fees is much greater saving then the 2 cents extra a listing, I think. Will I save more then $33? (again, I will also change a little to get the most out of it...or at least try to some)?...and if I become a premium person....do I still get 100 free auctions are 0.99? Not sure there. I usually like about 10-12 auctions, so that would save me what $3-4 there, and I could list more that way...figure a couple more dollars savings. Auctions is not the way to go...but some items and some things it is.

    A 2% saving on say a $500 meteorite sale is a $10 savings.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
    higher fees in a depressed economy - thank you ebay you little bastiges. image
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>that sucks.. my basic store fees are going way way up..
    it was .03-.10 per listing depending on the $

    now $.20 per listing?? are you kidding? >>



    Wow,
    I am still in shock. .20 cents per listing! I have about 1000 items out of my 1400 that I am not paying that per month to list, 3-4 months I am giving it away for free.
    When does this go into affect....I feel an Auction listings to dump stock coming on!!!!!

    Wow it's really convoluted and haven't figured it all out, but from a quick overview it looks like I may have to re-think the whole Store thing, or at the very least completely re-think my whole selling stratagy. Wow what a shame!

    Has somebody smarter than me figured out all the angles? Are the costs listing in Fixed Price for Stores different than what they used to call Fixed Price. Does that mean that a listing in my Store for a $4 dollar item, that I used to pay .03 cents per month is now going to cost me .20 cents per month? There is no way I could ever justify that.

    Wow and Wow again.

    Neil >>



    I think that $.20 is only for fixed price listings in core, not for regular store inventory listings.

    Edit to add: I think I'm wrong, and it is $.20 for Ebay stores as well. Still, I'm 100% behind this change. If you upgrade to a premium store (whatever that means) your listing fee is $.05, which isn't much worse (in absolute terms) from the $.03 they were charging. Basically, Ebay is bumping fees by about $25 a month more for the store subscription, and $.02 a month for each listing. For the volume that I do I don't think these increases will hurt me very much- and if it clears out some of the riff-raff then so much the better.
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    Lol, I was considering reopening my ebay store, but 20 cents per listing compared to the ONE cent I had last time...no *&%!!* way.
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
  • onefasttalononefasttalon Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    Oh well... looks like I'll be shutting down my store soon. It was "good while it lasted," but not so much after the change.

    If I'm understanding things correctly, my costs would go up... like double. I keep approx 100 items in my store, and currently pay the $16/month.
    I'd guess at .03 and .05 currently listing fees, my approx 100 items average .035/ea... so roughly $3.50 per month to list my items???... add the $16 and I'm currently in the $20/month range less FVF when things sell.

    Well... on the new scale, my $16/month stays the same, but now my .035/ea averages goes straight to .20/ea... so $20 instead of $3.50/month. Add the $16 and now I'm looking at roughly $36/month instead of $20. While that's not a tremendous amount, it's enough to make me wanna back out for now.

    Oh well... life goes on. Guess I'll have to do some research on other methods of sales. Card shows are great, but graded card buyers are few and far between in my area.... especially the lower-end to mid-end stuff.

    I still think Ebay is a GREAT source to buy, but selling looks to be going south. Just my opinion though....




    ALWAYS Looking for Chris Sabo cards!



  • << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>that sucks.. my basic store fees are going way way up..
    it was .03-.10 per listing depending on the $

    now $.20 per listing?? are you kidding? >>



    Wow,
    I am still in shock. .20 cents per listing! I have about 1000 items out of my 1400 that I am not paying that per month to list, 3-4 months I am giving it away for free.
    When does this go into affect....I feel an Auction listings to dump stock coming on!!!!!

    Wow it's really convoluted and haven't figured it all out, but from a quick overview it looks like I may have to re-think the whole Store thing, or at the very least completely re-think my whole selling stratagy. Wow what a shame!

    Has somebody smarter than me figured out all the angles? Are the costs listing in Fixed Price for Stores different than what they used to call Fixed Price. Does that mean that a listing in my Store for a $4 dollar item, that I used to pay .03 cents per month is now going to cost me .20 cents per month? There is no way I could ever justify that.

    Wow and Wow again.

    Neil >>



    I think that $.20 is only for fixed price listings in core, not for regular store inventory listings. >>



    Boo,
    What do you mean when you say Core as compared to Regular Store Inventory? What is a listing in Core? That's not the way I read it and I just used the E-Bay calculator to figure what made sense for my situation and they recommended I pay the $50 a month ( Imagine The F$^K That)image

    So even more confused in the Rocky Mountains!!!

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • Yeah, you have to have enough items listed and selling to justify being a premium member and make all your money back via the 2% savings. I don't think a small seller could do this. Their best option, on the new ebay, appears the 100 free 0.99 listing way....which I am not sure you get if you are a premium. Also on above, I guess I do pay $0.03 to $0.10 a listing right now, not sure why I like to think $0.03 across the board.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To ebay..."thank you sir, may i have another."
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>that sucks.. my basic store fees are going way way up..
    it was .03-.10 per listing depending on the $

    now $.20 per listing?? are you kidding? >>



    Wow,
    I am still in shock. .20 cents per listing! I have about 1000 items out of my 1400 that I am not paying that per month to list, 3-4 months I am giving it away for free.
    When does this go into affect....I feel an Auction listings to dump stock coming on!!!!!

    Wow it's really convoluted and haven't figured it all out, but from a quick overview it looks like I may have to re-think the whole Store thing, or at the very least completely re-think my whole selling stratagy. Wow what a shame!

    Has somebody smarter than me figured out all the angles? Are the costs listing in Fixed Price for Stores different than what they used to call Fixed Price. Does that mean that a listing in my Store for a $4 dollar item, that I used to pay .03 cents per month is now going to cost me .20 cents per month? There is no way I could ever justify that.

    Wow and Wow again.

    Neil >>



    I think that $.20 is only for fixed price listings in core, not for regular store inventory listings. >>



    Boo,
    What do you mean when you say Core as compared to Regular Store Inventory? What is a listing in Core? That's not the way I read it and I just used the E-Bay calculator to figure what made sense for my situation and they recommended I pay the $50 a month ( Imagine The F$^K That)image

    So even more confused in the Rocky Mountains!!!

    Neil >>



    No, you're right and I'm wrong. I didn't see that there was only going to be 'one' fixed price listing option available starting in March, and that Ebay is doing away with the distinction between fixed price listings and store inventory listings.

    It looks like I'm better off paying the $50 a month as well, but if it clears out some of the yahoos I'll be fine with that price increase.
  • Morning,
    On the surface this once again feels like an attempt by E-bay to get rid of the 1st tier (Bottom) Sellers.
    Anybody else feel that thousands and thousands of Part time/Garage Sale (And a lot of board members here) type Store Sellers are going to say Frick-It and just Close their barely getting by Stores!!
    I'd like to see a Store count total today and then the day this takes affect.

    Huh

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Morning,
    On the surface this once again feels like an attempt by E-bay to get rid of the 1st tier (Bottom) Sellers.
    Anybody else feel that thousands and thousands of Part time/Garage Sale (And a lot of board members here) type Store Sellers are going to say Frick-It and just Close their barely getting by Stores!!
    I'd like to see a Store count total today and then the day this takes affect.

    Huh

    Neil >>



    I think that's exactly what's going to happen, but as far as I'm concerned that's great. Clear 'em out, and reduce supply.

    My guess is that Ebay has run the numbers, and they've figured out that all these stores that have <150 listing and just insane BIN/BO prices aren't making them any money, so they're in effect shutting them down. And why not? Right now you can pay $15 a month to hang merchandise with ridiculous price points, and sit back and pray that a sucker comes along and hits it. To this, Ebay is saying 'no mas'. They're going to increase exposure for everything, but you're going to pay for that increased exposure. If your stuff is priced reasonably, then your sales should increase. If your stuff isn't priced reasonably, then you'll have to pull down all the '87D Greg Maddux PSA 8's that you have in your store for $22 each and find another way to make beer money.

    New Ebay rules= good for sellers who want to move merchandise.
    New Ebay rules= bad for people like Bud Obermeyer.
  • It looks like if you have more then 222 listing in your store today you would want to goto the Premium Package and not the basis. Anything below that, the Basic is the "cheaper" route.

    What I get a kick out of, is if you own a store, you pay auction listing fees, if not, you don't... Looks like I might have to use two ID's for selling... One for Auctions and one for Store..
    Cory
    ----------------------
    Working on:
    Football
    1973 Topps PSA 8+ (99.81%)
    1976 Topps PSA 9+ (36.36%)
    1977 Topps PSA 9+ (100%)

    Baseball
    1938 Goudey (56.25%)
    1951 Topps Redbacks PSA 8 (100%)
    1952 Bowman PSA 7+ (63.10%)
    1953 Topps PSA 5+ (91.24%)
    1973 Topps PSA 8+ (70.76%)
    1985 Fleer PSA 10 (54.85%)


  • << <i>What I get a kick out of, is if you own a store, you pay auction listing fees, if not, you don't... Looks like I might have to use two ID's for selling... One for Auctions and one for Store.. >>



    It does look that way.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • Boo,
    Ok one other question (Of many), here what you are saying and for the most part sort of agree, although don't really understand what difference it makes to Fee-bay if you have a Store (And multiply this by thousands) with 50-100 items in it, and charge a rediculous price for an 87 Maddux and sell like one item per month. They are getting $16 a month for providing nothing. What does it take for them other than some server space? Seems like they are dumping easy income.

    And why are they pushing us to sign up before Feb. 16th. What is the benefit between now and March 23'rd when the changes go into affect? What difference does it make whan we sign on?

    Just Two of endless questions!!!!

    YeeHahimage

    Neilimage
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!

  • What I get a kick out of, is if you own a store, you pay auction listing fees, if not, you don't... Looks like I might have to use two ID's for selling... One for Auctions and one for Store.. >>



    Yeah I noticed that as well, how do you set up two Seller ID's, is that OK with Fee-Bay?

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • The sooner someone like me signs up the sooner I save 2% and don't get hit with the $50 till the end of March. Not saying we all should right now, I am going to wait and see what for a few days, but that appears to be our benifit. eBay I imagine would like for its members to switch over themselves...rathern then force them come March.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Boo,
    Ok one other question (Of many), here what you are saying and for the most part sort of agree, although don't really understand what difference it makes to Fee-bay if you have a Store (And multiply this by thousands) with 50-100 items in it, and charge a rediculous price for an 87 Maddux and sell like one item per month. They are getting $16 a month for providing nothing. What does it take for them other than some server space? Seems like they are dumping easy income.

    And why are they pushing us to sign up before Feb. 16th. What is the benefit between now and March 23'rd when the changes go into affect? What difference does it make whan we sign on?

    Just Two of endless questions!!!!

    YeeHahimage

    Neilimage >>




    I'm not sure why they have such a hard-on for Feb. 16, but as for the store issue I suspect that Ebay has determined that there is just far, far too much clutter in these stores, and it's preventing people from finding what they want. Now, this might not apply to something like sportscards, since if you're looking for a particular card it's usually going to be easy to find. But I imagine that in other categories it's a real concern.

    Also, look at it from this perspective. You are Ebay, and you have 10000 store subscribers who've attached stupid prices to their products. Would you rather a) keep things as-is, or b) bump up listing fees to the point where these sellers are going to have to price this stuff competitively and move it? All other things being equal, Ebay would much, much rather have you list something for $50 and sell it within two months, then list the same item for $125 and have it sit in your Ebay store for three years.

    By far the biggest complaint I've heard about Ebay stores is that the merchandise is priced way too high. How many people just click 'auctions only' when they do a search? I know I do, because I have zero interest in wading through the idiots who are looking for $35 for a PSA 9 Fleer Griffey RC or whatever. Everyone expects to pay a small premium in order to be able to BIN, but not a 50% premium (or more). Ebay has essentially decided to drop the hammer on that nonsense- if you're going to list something they want it priced to move. They want a lot of listings that will generate interest and that will move, and they're willing to increase a seller's exposure if they'll commit to that. If they won't, then they're going to pay through the nose.
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    It's almost as if Congress is running E-Bay. Instead of cutting costs, let's raise taxes (er....fees). Nice! I remember when the monthly listing was 2 cents per item...now within a couple of years the cost will increase 10 fold.

    Personally, I buy most of my low dollar cards through www.sportlots.com. Not as many bells and whistles but I can buy commons for 5 to 25 cents per.

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
    Collecting vintage auto'd fb cards and Dan Marino cards!!

    References:
    Onlychild, Ahmanfan, fabfrank, wufdude, jradke, Reese, Jasp, thenavarro
    E-Bay id: greg_n_meg
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    Example: Look at this guy's lots
    Now: Look at completed sales of these lots

    This guy has over 700 lots for sale, and about 9 of them moved in the past two weeks. Ebay is saying 'uh uh'- that kind of sell-through rate is not acceptable. So, they're going to force this guy to either pay $300 a month for an anchor store, or take a big hit in listing fees. This is the kind of thing Ebay is trying to move away from (I think)- stupid BIN/BO prices, weak sell through rates, lazy listings with almost no description, etc.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    Here's another one:

    17000 listings

    Averaging a hair over two sales a day


    There are hundreds upon hundreds of scores with similar performance issues. Ebay is not telling you you have to sell more (or sell more quickly), but they're saying we're going to really charge you if you don't.
  • Boo,
    Yeah that definitly makes the point. I see Sellers like that will have to totally re-think their selling strategy. I will do that with some of mine, Pay the $50 per month, and move on...As always with the E-Bay changes.

    Recently I have moved away from Auctions, have only like 10 right now out of 1400 listings, for low dollar stuff this looks a little more attractive again, can you/are you allowed to have a seperate E-Bay Seller ID for getting these 100 free auction listings?

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!


  • << <i>It looks like if you have more then 222 listing in your store today you would want to goto the Premium Package and not the basis. >>





    I also noticed that unless you expect a realized price under $40 or over $571, then the auction format under the store subscriber option should be better.
  • Just did some quick math... (Assuming you are going to start the auction at 0.99). You would be better off if you expect the final sellling price to be above $40 to sell in a Store, as your FVF will be lower (even with the .10 insert fee).

    $40 is where I see the fees being equal.

    Cory
    ----------------------
    Working on:
    Football
    1973 Topps PSA 8+ (99.81%)
    1976 Topps PSA 9+ (36.36%)
    1977 Topps PSA 9+ (100%)

    Baseball
    1938 Goudey (56.25%)
    1951 Topps Redbacks PSA 8 (100%)
    1952 Bowman PSA 7+ (63.10%)
    1953 Topps PSA 5+ (91.24%)
    1973 Topps PSA 8+ (70.76%)
    1985 Fleer PSA 10 (54.85%)
  • I have about 400 items in my store. Right now, that's about $36.00/month. If I go the $.05/$49.95 deal, then I'm paying $69.00 a month !! That's insane ... where the he*l does eBay come up with the idea that the $49.95 store is ideal for sellers having 250 items a month.

    My fees would double ! Good lord. Goodbye store.

  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    I could see ebay running the lower sellers out if that was their strategy. But as long as major retailers like best buy, etc. are putting thousands of listings an hour on the site and their sell through rate, from what I have read here is under 1%, then why attack the little guy?

    Honestly, a seller as described in an earlier post has 10k listings in a basic store. As of now at 3 cents a pop, thats $300 a month + store fee + any FVF that come in. Going up to 20 cents a listing, this guys is either going to drop his listings by a large amount or quit altogether.

    From a business standpoint, $315.95 + Fees is better than ZERO. And ebay does not care about clutter, its all about the buck. The problem is, with less listings, I feel ebay is eventually going to bring in less traffic and in the long run, the sellers that remain will see their sales drop as well. All around, it is a terrible idea, brought to you by the people at ebay who feel that ruining a good thing is better than doing nothing at all
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    Boopots. I think you're missing the point a little. Buyers love Ebay because it seems that whatever you're looking for you punch in and lots of choices come up. Ebay is already making a ton of money from all those choices being listed, whether they sell or not. The buyer picks one to purchase and Ebay makes more money. Ebay isn't trying to take away all those choices because if buyers seach for stuff and nothing comes up, they make nothing from the listings or sales. The increase in fees will be negligible and just part of doing business as Ebay will continue to deliver people wanting to buy stuff.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>I have about 400 items in my store. Right now, that's about $36.00/month. If I go the $.05/$49.95 deal, then I'm paying $69.00 a month !! That's insane ... where the he*l does eBay come up with the idea that the $49.95 store is ideal for sellers having 250 items a month.

    My fees would double ! Good lord. Goodbye store. >>




    Seriously-- what are people like you selling, and how much (or little) of it are you actually moving, that a $25 a month increase is enough to get you to bail out? For this $25 increase to be enough to convince someone to shut down shop they must be netting less than $300 a month as it is. And if you're already netting less than $300 then why have you made it this far?

    For people who screw around with their Ebay store and treat it as some kind of hobby, then yes- I imagine these fee increases are a deal breaker. For everyone else, the increased exposure to fixed price listings is a fair reward for the increased fees.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>I could see ebay running the lower sellers out if that was their strategy. But as long as major retailers like best buy, etc. are putting thousands of listings an hour on the site and their sell through rate, from what I have read here is under 1%, then why attack the little guy?

    Honestly, a seller as described in an earlier post has 10k listings in a basic store. As of now at 3 cents a pop, thats $300 a month + store fee + any FVF that come in. Going up to 20 cents a listing, this guys is either going to drop his listings by a large amount or quit altogether.

    From a business standpoint, $315.95 + Fees is better than ZERO. And ebay does not care about clutter, its all about the buck. The problem is, with less listings, I feel ebay is eventually going to bring in less traffic and in the long run, the sellers that remain will see their sales drop as well. All around, it is a terrible idea, brought to you by the people at ebay who feel that ruining a good thing is better than doing nothing at all >>



    Fine-- let him quit. Ebay has decided that either a) he's not going to quit, despite however much screaming and crying he does, or b) that he will now price his stuff to move, since he can't afford to carry so much inventory.

    Also, let's make sure we're talking about the right numbers. As I understand it, listing fees will go up from three cents to five cents for most items, but store fees will go up from $15 to $50. That's a $35 increase in fixed costs, and $.02 increase per listing. If this increases seem absolutely unbearable to a retailer than it was only a matter of time before they shut down anyway. Seriously-- for people who move merchandise these are not prohibitive increases, and with the increased exposure for most listings it will probably be close to a wash.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Boopots. I think you're missing the point a little. Buyers love Ebay because it seems that whatever you're looking for you punch in and lots of choices come up. Ebay is already making a ton of money from all those choices being listed, whether they sell or not. The buyer picks one to purchase and Ebay makes more money. Ebay isn't trying to take away all those choices because if buyers seach for stuff and nothing comes up, they make nothing from the listings or sales. The increase in fees will be negligible and just part of doing business as Ebay will continue to deliver people wanting to buy stuff. >>



    We may be talking over each other heads. WRT to the points made here, however, it doesn't matter if Ebay is making a ton of money right now-- what matter is if they could make MORE money by putting these changes into effect. And nobody likes 'lots of choices' if 80% of those choices have stupid price tags attached to them, or come with some seller who wants you waste half your morning playing cat and mouse with this 'make me an offer' crap.


    Edit to add: I agree completely KB that the fee increases will ultimately have very little effect on the bottom line for sellers who do significant volume.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    anyone that has a card listed for more than 10% over VCP average should lose their selling privaledge. image

    Ebay is great but I just hate having to wade through all of the ridiculous BIN's. It started as America's online auction place and now it's America's largest clusterf@#$.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Just a few early - and random - comments. There will be more as I digest
    the thing and chat up a few of the EBAY creatures.

    .............................

    It is all pretty complex and requires lots of study before anybody makes
    any radical changes to their biz-models.

    A major caution is that today's announcements are just the start - NOT
    the end - of EBAY's "rebalancing" act. MANY new policy-changes are on
    their way in 2010.

    Ridiculous changes to the FB-scheme will radically cull the herd; changes
    to S+H policies will force sellers to alter item-pricing; refund/return policy
    changes will turn the place into an "approval service" and open the gates
    to MORE buyer fraud.

    ...........................

    It appears that EBAY is tired of losing MILLIONS in fees from sellers who
    have been using the "social sites" to bring referrals to their EBAY stores
    and thereby receiving the 75% FVF-discount.

    If you have been making/saving money on that front, the ride ends on
    April 1, 2010.

    .......................................................................

    My first suggestion is that folks consider using the ecrater grabber-tool
    to build an inactive mirror of their current EBAY stores. There is no charge
    and you can decide later how/whether to use the ecrater mirror.

    .........................

    For a few weeks in 2006 - and some earlier test periods between 02 and
    05 - SIF items were returned in CORE searches. Sales for beleaguered store
    keepers SOARED; sales for CORE listings tanked, CORE sellers complained,
    and the search-scheme was abandoned. Stores were again made "invisible,"
    and have remained so to this day.

    Now, EBAY proposes to charge higher fees to "show everything to everybody."
    The crowded search-returns will stagger the average buyer. Your items - in many
    cats - will be on page-one for ONLY a matter of SECONDS. (This FACT does not
    even address the question as to whether or NOT the antiquated servers are
    capable of handling the exponentially hiked load.)

    Folks anticipating that a drop in sellers will help free-up the search returns are
    going to be disapointed. EBAY has an unlimited supply of NEW suckers that should
    keep the competition for favorable search-returns at SUPER-high levels for MANY
    years. (Some internal estimates note that for every experienced seller that leaves
    the site in a 12-month period, as many as NINE amateurs/scamsters are ready to
    jump in.)

    "Stores In CORE" has long been the battle-demand of store owners. Now, those
    owners are going to pay for what they demanded, BUT its value is NOT going to
    be what they thought it would be.

    Clearly, in collectibles, it is better to be at the bottom of page-one as a store item
    than it is to be on page-7 - or seventy - as a "CORE" item.

    ................................................

    Fees.........

    First thing: FORGET about how much more EBAY is going to make. That is NOT
    relevant to your sales. Look ONLY at how much YOU are going to make under
    the new scheme.

    Hating the money-grubbing-fee-grabbers is fun, but there is not a cent in it.

    ...............................................

    IMV, anybody that falls for the 99-cent start price SCAM is just begging to
    give their items away; and to pay for the privilege.

    Once that message/lesson is learned by enough folks, EBAY will be a step
    closer to its goal: World's Largest BIN-Only Outlet Mall.

    For our purposes here - as collectors - the silver-lining is that 99-cent
    auctions will let us buy some BARGAINS, for a short while.

    ............................

    My first impressions are that the changes announced today are workable,
    on the fee front.

    The challenge will be that folks expecting to get "more traffic for higher
    fees" are almost certain to be let down by reality.

    NO fee-hike will EVER add even ONE new buyer to the pie.

    Since buyers pay ALL fees that EBAY charges sellers, item prices will
    rise. That means flat to negative growth in active buyers.

    MANY sellers that get run-off will no longer be buyers.

    ..................


    .......................

    January 26, 2010

    eBay Sellers to Cope with More Changes, This Time to Fees and Stores

    By Ina Steiner

    AuctionBytes.com

    eBay sellers will have to get used to a new way of selling on the U.S. site in March when eBay eliminates Store inventory format and institutes new fees. The changes to eBay Stores don't come as a surprise to most sellers, especially after eBay's fourth-quarter earnings call with Wall Street analysts last week where CEO John Donahoe gave broad hints about what was to come.

    With the new eBay Stores pricing, it's much more expensive to list in fixed-price format for low-volume Stores sellers - sellers pay the same $15.95/month subscription fee, but rather than paying as low as 3 cents to list, they must pay a 20-cent insertion fee. However, all listings appear in Core search results. Sellers may pay a higher monthly subscription fee - almost $50, and get insertion fees of 5 cents, but according to eBay this works best for sellers who list over 250 items per month.

    It will also cost non-Stores sellers more to list in Fixed-Price format: 50 cents instead of 35 cents; Final Value fees vary by category, it appears for most categories the FVF increases from 8% to 12%. More information and tables are found on the AuctionBytes Blog.

    eBay is scheduled to hold a Town Hall meeting on January 27 and will host a webinar on January 28th at 11:00 AM.

    30

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    Excellent Background Info For Collectible Sellers.

    Note the readers' comments.

    auctionbytes Nov 2009


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    MORE changes that WILL rock your world.

    auctionbytes 2010 scorecard


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  • ga5150ga5150 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭
    Ok folks, I'm a "small guy" occasional seller based on the slow and busy season of my employment. I do it for more of a hobby than anything. Since I can only sell for a few months out of the year (Winter)and I have no Ebay store, then I've always used auction format. I have "junk" items that rarely get above $20-$30. Lets' see if I got this right:

    Current Structure-
    Insertion Fee for .99 item=.15
    FVF for sale price less than $25=8.75%
    Let's say my item sold for $10.00. My ebay fees would be .875+.15=$1.02 for that sale.

    New Fee Structure-
    Insertion Fee for .99 item=.00
    FVF for sale price less than $25=9.00%
    My $10 item fees would now be .00+.90=$.90cents for that sale.


    This logic would work for the first 100 auctions with free listings. I see that once you use the first 100 free ones up, that the price goes to .10 listing fee after that for the .99 item.


    Do I have it right?

    Rodney
  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭

    I tend to think half these BIN sellers don't want to get rid of their stuff, anyway. If their cards sell, great. If not, they get to hang onto them, and that's OK too.
    This isn't what Ebay wants and I don't blame them. Don't clutter up the site with items that have no chance of selling. It frustrates buyers, and IMO removes legitimacy from the site.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Ok folks, I'm a "small guy" occasional seller based on the slow and busy season of my employment. I do it for more of a hobby than anything. Since I can only sell for a few months out of the year (Winter)and I have no Ebay store, then I've always used auction format. I have "junk" items that rarely get above $20-$30. Lets' see if I got this right:

    Current Structure-
    Insertion Fee for .99 item=.15
    FVF for sale price less than $25=8.75%
    Let's say my item sold for $10.00. My ebay fees would be .875+.15=$1.02 for that sale.

    New Fee Structure-
    Insertion Fee for .99 item=.00
    FVF for sale price less than $25=9.00%
    My $10 item fees would now be .00+.90=$.90cents for that sale.


    This logic would work for the first 100 auctions with free listings. I see that once you use the first 100 free ones up, that the price goes to .10 listing fee after that for the .99 item.


    Do I have it right?

    Rodney >>



    I think that's about it, Rodney. I'm not 100% on that, but your analysis looks right to me.

    Ebay doesn't 'hate' small sellers, but they don't want small time sellers cluttering searches with obscene BIN/BO prices. And clutter WILL be a problem if the current fee structure remained in place while all store listings moved into core. This new pricing incentive is a (possibly misguided) way to try and induce small time sellers into getting their merchandise up onto Ebay, and then getting off in 5-7 days.
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