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SMR Price / VCP Price

Dodger243Dodger243 Posts: 25
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HI" everyone, my name is Lew and I am new to the boards. I have been reading this board for a coulpe of years now. My question to someone hear who might know is how SMR gets their prices and why are the always higher that VCP prices. I feel my collection of 50,60and 70's cards are not as valuable as I thought. Any help would be greatly appreciative, thanks Lew.

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  • bigjacobigjaco Posts: 605
    I've found in large part the opposite in many cases that SMR is vastly lower. In the case of collecting a new set / player or unfamiliar card using SMR at all I've found to be complete folly and totally irritating. Not that I harbor an opinion ( image ) but even VCP is flawed and some would say drastically so.

    Cards are worth what someone is willing to pay.

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    Both should be used merely as a guide.
  • 2cardguys2cardguys Posts: 428
    I was just wondering if there is another "pricing indicator" out there that others use? Any that are more on target with realistic prices? I know Beckeet seems to have ridiculously high prices; wish I could actually get 80-85% of their suggested pricing... I usually do as Jeffcbay says and use these 3 as a guide as to what is realistic... but thought perhaps I was missing an obvious choice...

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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    Hi Lew, SMR is terrible, a card I wanted to pick up sells regularly for x5 SMR (and has for years) and SMR dropped to the current price 2 months ago. VCP is a better market value indicator and IMO the Beckett Graded Card Investor is a good guide that at least updates prices regularly (and with reason), as a example the card I was referring to they have right.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I was just wondering if there is another "pricing indicator" out there that others use? Any that are more on target with realistic prices? I know Beckeet seems to have ridiculously high prices; wish I could actually get 80-85% of their suggested pricing... I usually do as Jeffcbay says and use these 3 as a guide as to what is realistic... but thought perhaps I was missing an obvious choice...

    Thanks >>



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  • bigjacobigjaco Posts: 605
    Best advice I have is to watch the market for yourself and compare with VCP.

    When I was big into collecting 75's so was Spence. Low pops and start HOFers were going like crazy.

    $1k for Gary Carter
    $700 for Mike Schmidt
    $700 for Yount

    Over the course of a couple months these prices were crazy. In watching them for a year+ prices actualized throwing out the top 2 and bottom two you can come up with a realistic value. That thou and the addage of buy the card not the grade cannot be exemplified more.

    PSA 8 - '75 Nolan Ryan with a print flaw and 50/50 centering ~ $80 without a print flaw and 50/50 centering $400+.



  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I've found in large part the opposite in many cases that SMR is vastly lower. In the case of collecting a new set / player or unfamiliar card using SMR at all I've found to be complete folly and totally irritating. Not that I harbor an opinion ( image ) but even VCP is flawed and some would say drastically so.

    Cards are worth what someone is willing to pay. >>



    Cards are worth what someone is willing to pay is the answer IMHO. If you have two very interested bidders and scarcity, the sky can be the limit. But then the next one might go for 20% of that. I can appreciate what the Beckett Graded Card Review does in some cases and just leaves it blank. If you have an 89 Upper Deck Griffey, you just look at all the sale prices and average it out. But if you have stuff that doesn't appear often, you pretty much find out after the auction. If shilling is involved though, you don't really have a true measure because the high bidder just got one, may not buy another and the second bidder wasn't a real bidder. For high pop cards, SMR and Beckett Graded card reviews can give you a ballpark but eBay completed sales is I think the truest indicator.
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  • italianstallionyankeesitalianstallionyankees Posts: 541


    << <i>Hi Lew, SMR is terrible, a card I wanted to pick up sells regularly for x5 SMR (and has for years) and SMR dropped to the current price 2 months ago. VCP is a better market value indicator and IMO the Beckett Graded Card Investor is a good guide that at least updates prices regularly (and with reason), as a example the card I was referring to they have right. >>



    The beckett graded card investor is a handy tool to have around at a show they give you enough room in the columns to fill in the pop reports . The last Graded card investor mag that I got was back in 2008 at Chicago national for free... I still have it and I have filled in every psa 7 to psa 10 pop reports of all baseball cards from 1951 -2007 majority of the book from baseball , football , basketball have pop reports and changed prices since 2008 .
    1938 Cartledge Boxing cards psa 7 - psa 10
    1951 Topps Red backs psa 8 only!
    1960 Golden Press Presidential set Psa 8 's - Psa 9's
    1961 Golden Press psa 9's
    1976 Topps baseball psa 9 Stars
    1980 Kelloggs baseball Psa 9's - Psa 10's
    1988-1989 Fleer Basketball psa 9's
    1988-1989 Fleer Stickers psa 9's
    1989-1990 Fleer Basketball psa 10's
    1992 Coca-Cola Donruss Nolan Ryan 1-26 Psa 10 only Gpa 9.80++ E-mail Newyork00007@aol.com
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭
    where is vcp's website, what does it stand for? there is a fee to join correct? i have wondered this myself
    Fred

    collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.

    looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>where is vcp's website, what does it stand for? there is a fee to join correct? i have wondered this myself >>



    http://www.vintagecardprices.com/
  • dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051 ✭✭


    << <i>Cards are worth what someone is willing to pay is the answer IMHO. If you have two very interested bidders and scarcity, the sky can be the limit. But then the next one might go for 20% of that. I can appreciate what the Beckett Graded Card Review does in some cases and just leaves it blank. If you have an 89 Upper Deck Griffey, you just look at all the sale prices and average it out. But if you have stuff that doesn't appear often, you pretty much find out after the auction. If shilling is involved though, you don't really have a true measure because the high bidder just got one, may not buy another and the second bidder wasn't a real bidder. For high pop cards, SMR and Beckett Graded card reviews can give you a ballpark but eBay completed sales is I think the truest indicator. >>



    Well since VCP is based of completed ebay auctions it seems a better option considering Ebay only allows you to go back a couple weeks..
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭
    thank you
    Fred

    collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.

    looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started

  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭
    VCP is the worst possible source for accurate market value except for all the others. :-)

    Seriously, it is the only way of tracking what people are actually paying for cards; sadly, it suffers largely due to Small Sample Size. When you only see 2-3 sales over a year, and they vary widely, it's hard to properly factor in that one "drunk buyer" sometimes.
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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Cards are worth what someone is willing to pay is the answer IMHO. If you have two very interested bidders and scarcity, the sky can be the limit. But then the next one might go for 20% of that. I can appreciate what the Beckett Graded Card Review does in some cases and just leaves it blank. If you have an 89 Upper Deck Griffey, you just look at all the sale prices and average it out. But if you have stuff that doesn't appear often, you pretty much find out after the auction. If shilling is involved though, you don't really have a true measure because the high bidder just got one, may not buy another and the second bidder wasn't a real bidder. For high pop cards, SMR and Beckett Graded card reviews can give you a ballpark but eBay completed sales is I think the truest indicator. >>



    Well since VCP is based of completed ebay auctions it seems a better option considering Ebay only allows you to go back a couple weeks.. >>



    Except VCP doesn't show modern stuff...
  • Dodger243Dodger243 Posts: 25
    Thanks for all the good feed back,will have to do more price investigation on my own.
  • 2cardguys2cardguys Posts: 428


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Cards are worth what someone is willing to pay is the answer IMHO. If you have two very interested bidders and scarcity, the sky can be the limit. But then the next one might go for 20% of that. I can appreciate what the Beckett Graded Card Review does in some cases and just leaves it blank. If you have an 89 Upper Deck Griffey, you just look at all the sale prices and average it out. But if you have stuff that doesn't appear often, you pretty much find out after the auction. If shilling is involved though, you don't really have a true measure because the high bidder just got one, may not buy another and the second bidder wasn't a real bidder. For high pop cards, SMR and Beckett Graded card reviews can give you a ballpark but eBay completed sales is I think the truest indicator. >>



    Well since VCP is based of completed ebay auctions it seems a better option considering Ebay only allows you to go back a couple weeks.. >>



    Except VCP doesn't show modern stuff... >>



    but is being modified to do soo according to Bobby... their forum states it is just about ready to rock and roll...

    here's an excerpt from a thread:

    QUOTE (2cardguys @ Dec 3 2009, 01:15 PM)
    Just a thought... couldn't you "turn on" or make live the 90's.... allowing you time to complete the 2000's and verify any issues problems with the 90's prior to adding the next 9 years.... would allow you to "catch" auctions and BIN from the holiday season as well... would also offer you additional members with the knowledge the balnce of th 20xx's are being added validated...just a suggestion


    That is what we are now doing.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    will have to do more price investigation on my own



    Just like back in the day the guides were just that guides, today is no different.

    VCP is probably the best since it gives actual sales but even some of them go back a year or two.

    Someone recently asked about a PSA 8 Lasorda rookie and the sale prices were from 330.00 to 465.00.

    All for the same grade. Of course some PSA 8's are better than others and that is a reason why the prices

    were so different. In some cases SMR is spot on in others it is way off.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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