"the coin" has arrived early!!

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:02AM

Here we go everyone.... Now this case look a little weird to me.. I am wondering if someone is trying to run one past me.. Please give all opinions!

commoncents05 · January 11, 2010 4:04AM

The counterfeiters are getting better....

-Paul

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:06AM

yeah this is not even that good of a fake... if you look close it has bubbles... This coin is a horrible fake.. I got myself and everyone in the world all excited... I just peeled it out of the express package and found nothing but sheer disappointment.

Fletcher · January 11, 2010 4:07AM

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STONE · January 11, 2010 4:09AM

<< The counterfeiters are getting better....

-Paul >>

Yeh they are. That to me looks like a REALLY good one.
Much, much better than others I've seen!

Fletcher · January 11, 2010 4:10AM

And, the cert number matches up ...

mattniss · January 11, 2010 4:11AM

The first thing I noticed is that the font just seemed a little off on the slab.

blu62vette · January 11, 2010 4:11AM

Where did that one come from?

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:12AM

You should see the bubbles all over the obverse.. it is making me want to puke.. Especially because of the embarrassment I feel for posting this coin.. And for getting everyone excited over nothing.

telephoto1 · January 11, 2010 4:12AM

First thing I noticed was the mintmark.

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:13AM

This coin came form some jackass in South Dakota.. I am going to me filing the paypal claim right now.. Good thing is that I only put up a few thousand as a retainer for this exact reason.

dogwood · January 11, 2010 4:14AM

You wanted education on the forum. This helps everyone here, believe it or not. You did the right thing by showing it.

MMMCOINSMMM · January 11, 2010 4:16AM

The coin doesnt look to fit the grade.I have seen many versions of the PCGS slabbs,so it is hard to tell from the slab itself,because their font has changed over the years..The coin doesnt look 62.and the bumps could be die related.Maybe PCGS has a photo of that coin on file??? it just doesnt look like it fits the grade..?? maybe send it to pcgs for reviewal??? see what they say overall.could be a winner..... it could be one of those cut in half coins from california

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:17AM

Yes I did a good thing for people... WATCH OUT!!! At a quick glance these things are not too bad.

Fletcher · January 11, 2010 4:17AM

Just out of curiosity ... didn't the $12.99 selling price didn't give it away???

jmcu12 · January 11, 2010 4:18AM

The mint mark is all wrong.

jmcu12 · January 11, 2010 4:19AM

Looks like it used to be an 1889 O.

MMMCOINSMMM · January 11, 2010 4:19AM

I bet its one of those cut in half coins,looks like a 1889-p unc obverse and a AU CC reverse.

WoodenJefferson · January 11, 2010 4:21AM

Even I would have given that one a faux 64

The little round injection sprus are there and so are the seal tabs around the rim....if this is a counterfeit, this is a vast improvement.

blu62vette · January 11, 2010 4:21AM

Ebay or online purchase?

Fletcher · January 11, 2010 4:21AM

Here is the real coin assigned to that cert number ...

MMMCOINSMMM · January 11, 2010 4:24AM

quick find fletch

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:25AM

<< Here is the real coin assigned to that cert number ...

>>

Where did you get this photo?

crypto79 · January 11, 2010 4:25AM

Cast Fake with a bougs slab. Call the cops

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:27AM

I just looked closely at the mint mark on mine and you can still see the O under the CC!!! How lazy is that!

Fletcher · January 11, 2010 4:27AM

<< Where did you get this photo? >>

Heritage auction archives

RYK · January 11, 2010 4:28AM

This was not what I expected, but at least I will be able to sleep tonight.

MMMCOINSMMM · January 11, 2010 4:29AM

maybe it a 1889-O/CC variety

on the serious side,sorry that it happened this way for you.hope you get it all worked out.

I would call PCGS and see how they feel you should get it taken care of so this CC doesnt float around the market

Moldnut · January 11, 2010 4:31AM

Wow! This is getting crazy with all the fakes!

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:31AM

There has been a high volume of these going around lately.. People are getting arrested with them all over California..

RYK · January 11, 2010 4:35AM

A few comments:

1. The OP should have the coin in hand before promoting it here on the forum.

2. Most forum members here will not get too excited about a dipped MS-62 Morgan purchased on ebay, no matter what the year.

3. The credibility of the OP as a "dealer" is questioned when he pulls a stunt like this.

4. I still like the OP's enthusiasm and look forward to him entertaining us in the future.

5. I am glad that I collect coins that no one would have any interest in counterfeiting.

Edit:

6. The OP should change avatars. Using Longacre's is not right.

WoodenJefferson · January 11, 2010 4:35AM

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I'm certain that PCGS would be concerned that their product is being counterfeited, but to advise a buyer as how to proceed would be out of their realm or authority. I'm sure they would like to examine the slab for future reference, but right now this is between the seller and the buyer.

grip · January 11, 2010 4:36AM

<< There has been a high volume of these going around lately.. People are getting arrested with them all over California.. >>

Thank's for posting this and the heads up..And welcome!

Al

JedPlanchet · January 11, 2010 4:42AM

<< 5. I am glad that I collect coins that no one would have any interest in counterfeiting. >>

I'm beginning to wonder whether such a thing exists anymore, there seem to be a lot of "replicas" of coins I never would have thought worth copying or counterfeiting.

notwilight · January 11, 2010 4:43AM

OP, You don't seem to be in a panic so I suppose you haven't paid for this coin yet. What was the asked price?--Jerry

MMMCOINSMMM · January 11, 2010 4:43AM

"I'm certain that PCGS would be concerned that their product is being counterfeited, but to advise a buyer as how to proceed would be out of their realm or authority. I'm sure they would like to examine the slab for future reference, but right now this is between the seller and the buyer."

Well PCGS seemed to be involved in all the busts in California,maybe they can give insight into the processes to relieve the market of this coin.....

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:47AM

RYK,

Why do you keep calling me OP?

I changed the avatar to satisfy the picky ones on the forum.

Fletcher · January 11, 2010 4:50AM

OP = original poster - ie the person who started the thread

Staircoins · January 11, 2010 4:53AM

Real on the left, bogus on the right (resized for comparison purposes) ...

cheezhed · January 11, 2010 4:54AM

OP = Original Poster

Fletcher · January 11, 2010 4:54AM

WOW ... even the barcodes match!

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 4:56AM

Coin was not purchased on eBay it was a private deal with a customer who had other coins that were not fake..

Promotion of this coin was based on prior successful dealings with the customer and I was not expecting the counterfeit turnout because of prior success..

I am not worried because I had only put $1500 up for the coin and a retainer to get the coin in the mail to me.. Retainer was paid through paypal and I will have no troubles getting the money back. Especially because the known customer should not have any problems refunding the money in the first place.

I initially posted the coin out of pure excitement to show other a rare coin in better grade.. I also posted knowing it looked a little funny..

I certainly did not post the coin thinking it was real and fell as though I did nothing to reface me as a dealer... However that part of your opinions does not bother me too much.

I joined this forum because of the collector in me...

MMMCOINSMMM · January 11, 2010 4:58AM

Compared,that slab is super close.the only real diff I can see is the 8's in 1889 the bottom left curve and the top right curve are fatter.other than that,mostly everything else is exact......

jmcu12 · January 11, 2010 5:00AM

"Cast Fake"

To me it looks like the CC was placed, badly, on an original 1889 O morgan. The OP verified that they could see the original O.

The strike is one of a typical New Orleans issue, soft and mushy. The reverse looks AU because of that. The obverse as well.

greghansen · January 11, 2010 5:08AM

What a let down. I agree with points 1, 2 & 4 already made by RYK.

Numismatticadotcom · January 11, 2010 5:12AM

I would like to apologize for misleading anyone on this forum and I do not intend on doing that again.

grip · January 11, 2010 5:12AM

What was the full price of the coin.Or was that posted?

RYK · January 11, 2010 5:14AM

<< I would like to apologize for misleading anyone on this forum and I do not intend on doing that again. >>

No problem.

We have seen it all here. I suspected that the hype about the mystery coin was going to lead to some disappointment, unless the coin was a Birch cent, 1794 dollar, 1854-S quarter eagle, or the like. However, I never imagined the coin was going to be a fake!

blu62vette · January 11, 2010 5:16AM

Were you able to see an image before purchase? If so the red flags were all over the place.

WoodenJefferson · January 11, 2010 5:17AM

<< "I'm certain that PCGS would be concerned that their product is being counterfeited, but to advise a buyer as how to proceed would be out of their realm or authority. I'm sure they would like to examine the slab for future reference, but right now this is between the seller and the buyer."

Well PCGS seemed to be involved in all the busts in California,maybe they can give insight into the processes to relieve the market of this coin..... >>

This true, but one has to remember that in the California caper of using two common coins to make one rare date/mm coin, the "authority" as Cartman calls it, was brought into the equation.

crypto79 · January 11, 2010 5:22AM

<< "Cast Fake"

To me it looks like the CC was placed, badly, on an original 1889 O morgan. The OP verified that they could see the original O.

The strike is one of a typical New Orleans issue, soft and mushy. The reverse looks AU because of that. The obverse as well. >>

If that is what it looks like to you your logic is as flawed as your eyes. It might be a tooled cast of an 1889 o but a cast fake never the less.
The die is made form a cast of a real(ish) coin and then struck on dies, the weak strike is from lack of pressure and the bubbles are transfers from the casting process when the dies are made. The incorrect die markers are from the fact they didn't have a mint state 89cc to cast

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