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Common date 1831 CBH. Tricky one to grade. Grade posted

DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
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Thanks Glenn.

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- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC

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  • BigOrange13BigOrange13 Posts: 62
    ef45
    Rick - coin guy
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  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin. I would have said 35 without hesitation until you said it was a tricky one.
    I'll still say it but I hesitated. image
  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
    50
    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    I almost pulled the trigger on that one.

    Looks like a nice coin.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I'm going to guess it is more lustrous in-hand and will go with (NGC) AU53 for the grade. If the luster is lacking, I could be persuaded to lower my grade to XF45.
  • lavalava Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭
    I second the Fonz at 50.
    I brake for ear bars.
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    au50
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

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  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Shoot...my first thought was AU55. I'm usually not the high guy on these guess the grade deals..but I don't see that much wear. Toning is a bit dark for my tastes.

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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Genuine, corroded. XF-45 details.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Genuine, corroded. XF-45 details. >>



    An experts opinion. To bad Abe does not work for NGC or PCGS or for a well established dealer. image
    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭
    My first blush - AU53. She may well have loads of luster under the crust. Took a second look and my opinion stands.

    I think she's purty!

    edited to add: have
  • BarbercoinBarbercoin Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭
    I'm going with .....What Bear said.

    WTB: Barber Quarters XF

  • maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
    If this coin was recently graded by NGC, then 45 all the way. If the luster is half decent, and it was graded more than 2 years ago, then I would say 50-53. I love the originality and I have a few with the same look all in that 45-53 range, with varying amounts of luster and similar wear...

    No it isn't corroded.
    You may call me Dave
    BHNC member # 184!

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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    45
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    au55
  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think its an AU-50,but is in an NGC VF-35 holder.
    Trade $'s
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure looks like a nice AU example
    3 or 5 depending on the look in hand
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭
    Bad form, Bear! Especially if the rumor of a low ball offer via PM is true!!!!! image
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My money is always on Mr Feld, one bet that you can never go wrong with, notice he always has a second tier guess within his ist guess, snart guy!!!! How can I loseimage >>

    Alan, your money shouldn't always be on me, that is a bet that you can go wrong with and more times than not, I don't include a second tier guess. Other than that, I think I might agree with everything you just wrote.image Oops, I forgot one - I am not a "snart" guy.image
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    53
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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    image Grade posted.

    Congrats to those who said AU50. image
    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    PCGS 45 at best. If I submitted it, XF 40. NGC is all over the place with grading the Bust Series, no consistency in grades.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • BigOrange13BigOrange13 Posts: 62
    dang i was too low
    i still think its an ef45 tho
    Rick - coin guy
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS 45 at best. If I submitted it, XF 40. NGC is all over the place with grading the Bust Series, no consistency in grades. >>

    I actually think that NGC has been tougher than PCGS, on XF and lower grade AU Bust Halves, on a fairly consistent basis, during the past couple years.
  • PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    Mark,

    I agree with you NGC vs PCGS for these early coins. Some other series too although our host is reasonably good for the most part.

    Thank you for the post!

    Glenn
    The End of the Line in the West.

    Website-Americana Rare Coin Inc
  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭
    DUIGUY, what would you grade the coin? We have opined based on images, but you have the benefit of an inhand inspection.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Some of you fellows seem to think NGC has been tougher on grading Bust Series the PAST TWO YEARS. I guess I have not seen enough NGC graded Busties, that have been recently graded, to agree with you.

    I do know that PCGS graded Busties currently bring much more money than NGC graded Busties. Check out Sheridan Downey's inventory the past few years, very few NGC coins. Sheridan submits to PCGS because that is what his customers demand. Most large CBH collections remain raw until time to sell. We older collectors want holdered coins --- just in case we go quickly.

    If anyone has recently tried crossing NGC Busties to PCGS, please PM me with the results. I am very interested.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>DUIGUY, what would you grade the coin? We have opined based on images, but you have the benefit of an inhand inspection. >>



    An original eye appealing piece with orange, steel purple and blue on each side and luster peaking out in the recessed areas. The reverse is rotated about 30 degrees with more rim orange present. The strike is average and by the E of States and the BUS of Pluribus it appears perhaps there was a grease strike through or other strike weakness issue. Otherwise the surfaces are very nice for the grade with no distracting marks.

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>DUIGUY, what would you grade the coin? We have opined based on images, but you have the benefit of an inhand inspection. >>



    An original eye appealing piece with orange, steel purple and blue on each side and luster peaking out in the recessed areas. The reverse is rotated about 30 degrees with more rim orange present. The strike is average and by the E of States and the BUS of Pluribus it appears perhaps there was a grease strike through or other strike weakness issue. Otherwise the surfaces are very nice for the grade with no distracting marks. >>



    He said what would YOU grade the coin, not what description Glenn Holsonbake gave it image
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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>DUIGUY, what would you grade the coin? We have opined based on images, but you have the benefit of an inhand inspection. >>



    An original eye appealing piece with orange, steel purple and blue on each side and luster peaking out in the recessed areas. The reverse is rotated about 30 degrees with more rim orange present. The strike is average and by the E of States and the BUS of Pluribus it appears perhaps there was a grease strike through or other strike weakness issue. Otherwise the surfaces are very nice for the grade with no distracting marks. >>



    He said what would YOU grade the coin, not what description Glenn Holsonbake gave it image >>



    I'm not the best with words. Glenn says it best. image
    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC

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