A couple of raw vintage on eBay...

thunderdan

Anyone ever bought from this seller before? Pretty clean Toolhaus record; nevertheless, it's auctions like this that make me stick to buying graded vintage and not messing around with raw.

Very little chance these guys have not been trimmed or altered, else why wouldn't you get them graded? Doesn't pass the sniff test...

1964 Topps Pete Rose

1969 Topps Reggie Jackson RC

Don't forget, they're *very tempted* to get them graded! (so bid high and often so they don't have to. LOL)

otwcards

Funny that they use all the PSA-related quotes and definitions and the old "depending on what company you use" disclaimer. Would have a better chance of grading if the back weren't scratched... Looks like a PSA 6 at best.

lsutigers1973

Reggie is definitely trimmed. Bottom edge on back looks like it was just cut like 10 minutes ago.

Bosox1976

Is there a trapezoid qualifier?

initialD

Their misleading PSA drops in the title is the first

reason to run away

Way too high a gamble without a first hand look

thunderdan

The crazy thing is that the current price on the Reggie is already close to graded PSA 8 levels. Somebody is going to be *really* pissed when they submit this for grading.

Bosox1976

Yeah, for that price you should at least get the part he cut off too.

initialD

Wont be long before that feedback starts to tank!

Even the raw collectors will fire back

thunderdan

<< <i>Their misleading PSA drops in the title is the first

reason to run away

Way too high a gamble without a first hand look >>



Yup. I hate keyword spamming.

stevek

I'd say the chances of either card coming back a PSA 7, 8 or 9 are zero.

BPorter26

<< <i>"Here is your chance to own a truly beautiful card that is almost 35 years old. Reggie Jackson cards have gone up in value over the past years. Buy this now and hold it for a long-term investment. >>



How is the card almost 35 years old, when indeed it's 40 years old going on 41? This guy is an idiot plus a trimmer.

Pigs

Looks to be some paper loss or chipping on the upper right edge above the "S" on the Rose card. Like everyone here, wouldn't touch these.

SidePocket

They're purty tho.

thunderdan

<< <i>They're purty tho. >>



purty and trimmed.

(that's a softball for somebody).

SOM

The Rose will come back ungraded as Miscut

bbuckner22

You gotta love when sellers put what PSA graded cards sell for in their listing for a raw card. The next question then is, why didn't they have it graded? A saw recently where a seller had a complete but raw 1960 set, that he said should all grade 8's and 9's. And of course he also listed for everyones convience what a complete PSA 8 and 9 set lists for. Shockingly, he didn't get close to those figures. I emailed the guy who bought it asking how they really looked. He never got back to me, I assumed it was a sore subject.

gemint

"all sales final" Another reason to run away as fast as you can.

Downtown1974

I'd stay away from those thunder. Besides...anything you buy now will not compare to that Mantle you just picked up.

thunderdan

<< <i>I'd stay away from those thunder. Besides...anything you buy now will not compare to that Mantle you just picked up. >>



I don't buy raw on eBay. Haven't for quite a few years now.

bbuckner22

I sent the seller a question about the Rose card last night. Here is the question and his response.

Dear mangobayoutlet,

If I were to buy this card, I would send it in to be graded. What is your policy if the grading company says the card has been altered?


Hi, all are cards non-alterned or trimmed. Please check our feedback and bid with confidence. We can't guarantee anything after the card is sold because we can't control what the buyer does with the card after its sold and left our possession. Thank you for looking.


- mangobayoutlet

nam812

I wanna know how to get that black star in my listing title. That's hot.

otwcards

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<< <i>I'd stay away from those thunder. Besides...anything you buy now will not compare to that Mantle you just picked up. >>



I don't buy raw on eBay. Haven't for quite a few years now. >>



If that's your policy, you may be missing out on some great opportunities. I've bought quite a few vintage cards "raw" from eBay and have terrific success in getting them graded. I make certain to perform due diligence in my research, examination of the images provided and also rely on my "expertise" in making decisions before I buy. Have I had some disappointments? Certainly, but the successes have far outweighed the failures.

2cardguys

<< <i>I wanna know how to get that black star in my listing title. That's hot. >>



Just right click on the star and copy it... then paste into your listing...


I just tried it and it worked like a charm!


Card with Star

thunderdan

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<< <i>

<< <i>I'd stay away from those thunder. Besides...anything you buy now will not compare to that Mantle you just picked up. >>



I don't buy raw on eBay. Haven't for quite a few years now. >>



If that's your policy, you may be missing out on some great opportunities. I've bought quite a few vintage cards "raw" from eBay and have terrific success in getting them graded. I make certain to perform due diligence in my research, examination of the images provided and also rely on my "expertise" in making decisions before I buy. Have I had some disappointments? Certainly, but the successes have far outweighed the failures. >>



Scott, do doubt there are opportunities. There is also a hassle factor involved (SNAD leading to returns/refunds, cards getting rejected by PSA). That said, there is effort required to make money, so I'm certainly not poo-pooing the importance and value of due diligence and effort.

A few years back when I bought raw vintage, I definitely had some home runs. Money can be made going this route (and other routes for that matter).