2009: the end of the decade?

renman95

Are we at the end of the decade of the 2000's I see many shows depicting the "blank" of the decade. Is it? We went through this is 2000 and here we are again. The end of the decade should be 12-31-10 and not 12-31-09. I can see arguements for each side. What is yours?

R95

Goldbully

Y2K was 10 years ago.....I say 12/31/09 is the end of the decade, Comrade.

GRANDAM

There is nothing to argue about. The end of the decade is 12-31-2010

GrandAm

coinnut86

01-01-00 from 01-01-10 is ten years 12-31-09 marks the end of the decade.

coinnut86

<< <i>There is nothing to argue about. The end of the decade is 12-31-2010

GrandAm >>



That's the end of 11 years

Goldbully

<< <i>01-01-00 from 01-01-10 is ten years 12-31-09 marks the end of the decade. >>



0 - 9 = 10
0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9


Not to mention, the first post in a new thread on the forum is '0'

coinnut86

Yup, I'm confused what other people's arguements are.. it looks like simple math to me

Aegis3

They both are. 12-31-2009 is the end of the decade which started on 1-1-2000. 12-31-2010 is the end of the decade which started on 1-1-2001. Likewise, the century known as the 1900's ran from 1900-1999. The century known as the 20th century is the one which ran from 1901-2000.

RWB

There was no "Year Zero" in the Catholic Ecclesiastical reckoning of years (or Roman, either), thus the decade begins with "1" and ends with "10." (Or "I" and "X")

OKbustchaser

Depends on which decade you are speaking of. By definition EVERY year marks the end of a decade (ie, 10 years have passed.)

If you are speaking of the first decade of this millenium then it ends 12-31-2010. If you are speaking of a decade since Y2K then it ends 12-31-2009.

renman95

<< <i>There was no "Year Zero" in the Catholic Ecclesiastical reckoning of years (or Roman, either), thus the decade begins with "1" and ends with "10." (Or "I" and "X") >>



This coincides with counting to ten. No one starts the count at 0.

coinnut86

<< <i>There was no "Year Zero" in the Catholic Ecclesiastical reckoning of years (or Roman, either), thus the decade begins with "1" and ends with "10." (Or "I" and "X") >>



Interesting point. If you're going to start each decade with 1981 1991 2001 then I'll agree 2010 but I was born in 1986 so if I start mine there... in 1996 I turned 10 and in 2006 I turned 20. Using your argument then I was never younger than one.

LanLord

<< <i>There was no "Year Zero" in the Catholic Ecclesiastical reckoning of years (or Roman, either), thus the decade begins with "1" and ends with "10." (Or "I" and "X") >>

However, decades are not markers like centuries and millenia. Decades mark the "human" reckoning of a 10 year period and those are easiest when they go from 0 to 9 rather than 1 to 10. Therefore you have the teens, twenties, thirties, etc. If we use your logic, then 1940 belongs in the thirties.

RWB

Agreed. A "decade” is arbitrary and only has to have ten years. Conventional usage, however, begins a calendar decade on a year ending in "0" and ends on the next year ending in "9." By extension, the century ends in "99." More precise usage begins on "1" and ends on the next year ending in "0," as others have pointed out. Maybe if everyone switched to Julian Days, this wouldn't be such a mystery.

In the course of things, numbering the days is a local, arbitrary custom: the cycles occur whether they are counted or not.

notwilight

So those of you that say "not yet", are you saying that if you start a calendar today the date will be 1/1/01 so that when you get to 1/1/2 you have completed only one year? When a baby is born we don't start them at 1 but at 0. Why not a calendar?

--jerry

LanLord

<< <i>So those of you that say "not yet", are you saying that if you start a calendar today the date will be 1/1/01 so that when you get to 1/1/2 you have completed only one year? When a baby is born we don't start them at 1 but at 0. Why not a calendar?

--jerry >>

This gets so convoluted. When your child is 0 years old, he/she is in his/her first year. But I still agree with the decades end on 9s.

Baley

today is the end of the decade that began on Dec. 29, 1999.

ProofArtworkonCircs

<<This coincides with counting to ten. No one starts the count at 0.>>

This forum starts the post count at 0.

COINB0Y

<< <i>Y2K was 10 years ago.....I say 12/31/09 is the end of the decade, Comrade. >>






Amen!

CaptHenway

<< <i>

<< <i>There was no "Year Zero" in the Catholic Ecclesiastical reckoning of years (or Roman, either), thus the decade begins with "1" and ends with "10." (Or "I" and "X") >>



This coincides with counting to ten. No one starts the count at 0. >>



Decades end at the end of a year that ends in zero.
Centuries end at the end of a year that ends in double zero.
Millennia end at the end of a year that ends in triple zero.

However, people will believe whatever they feel like believing. Our local free "Journalism For Dummies" newspaper, the Redeye, has been running ads for "New Years Eve 2010" parties. New Years Eve 2010 is slightly over a year from today. This Thursday night is New Years Eve, 2009, to be followed by New Years Day, 2010.

TD

COINB0Y

Uh Oh, ...so which PCGS 20th Aniversary label for Gold Eagles was the "right" one, again? the 2005 or the 2006?

Overdate

So should a Sacagawea dollar be included in a 20th Century type set?

doh

Decades end in 0. 12/31/10 is the last day of this decade. 12/31/00 was the last day of the last decade. This is because there was no year zero. As others have said 1-10 is a "decade", not 0-9.

Jdurg

It all depends on your interpretation of "time." The majority of the confusion comes in because when "we" (as in human beings) count items, we will generally count items beginning with the number 1. Scientifically speaking, however, we should be counting by starting with the number 0. In all sciences, counting begins with 0. If you count all the atoms of element 198 in the universe right now, the count would be equal to zero. If you have ten coins in your hand, then the "proper" counting of these coins would start with 0 and you would count out 10 physical coins, but have counted aloud 11 different numbers.

The idea of decades ending in 9 and starting in 0 correllates with the scientific defintion of our calendar. In astronomy, the year Jesus Christ was supposedly born is considered to be year 0. In the religious based calendars, Jesus was born in AD1, and the previous year was BC1. There is no "0" in the religion based calendar system. As a man of science through and through, I go by the counting from a starting point, which is 0. Therefore, for my arguments and debates, I will always say that the 2010's begins on Friday.

Another thing to keep in mind is that while our calendar years are all numeric, they are not "counting" anything. So if I count the number of years I have been on this planet, I would start with my first year on the planet which was 1980. Counting each year I've been around, I've been on this planet for 30 different years, yet I am only 29 years old since the first time I was considered 1 year old was in 1981.

Overdate

>>If you count all the atoms of element 198 in the universe right now, the count would be equal to zero.<<

Have you checked inside all the black holes?

Jdurg

>>Have you checked inside all the black holes?

No need to. Atoms cease to exist inside of a black hole. Therefore, there is nothing in there to be defined as an element.

LotsoLuck

History repeats itsself. The years/decades/centuries are only a measurement for those who need a ruler to make it all make sense, can ya dig it

ProofArtworkonCircs

<<This Thursday night is New Years Eve, 2009, to be followed by New Years Day, 2010.>>

This Thursday night is New Year's Eve, December 31,2009 or the Eve of New Year's day January 1, 2010. I think I will accept New Years Eve 2010 as being acceptable.

Now, which comes first - Christmas or New Year's?

renman95

<< <i>History repeats itsself. The years/decades/centuries are only a measurement for those who need a ruler to make it all make sense, can ya dig it >>



It doesn't repeat, it rhymes.

Frankcoins

In popular culture

The Gay 90s 1890-99

The Roaring 20s 1920-29

the 60s 1960-69

the 80s 1980-89

Whatever you call the first decade of a century ("the ohs", maybe?) it would be 2000-09

The teens start 1-1-2010.

ProofArtworkonCircs

<<Whatever you call the first decade of a century ("the ohs", maybe?) it would be 2000-09>>

I was expecting the naughties (from naught), but it never caught on.

IrishMikey

The end of each decade is the conclusion of the year ending in 10. No argument there. It is just that we are all enamored with the newness of the change in digits -- who wanted to wait until 2001 to celebrate the new millennium? By then the world had NOT ended, the stock market had crumpled, and we had been writing in the year with a '20' instead of a '19' for 12 months. What fun is that?

VintageCardLover

yes, 10 years in a decaded

jmski52

Comrades!!! I was one year old on my first birthday, and 21 years old on my 21st birthday.

The government issues 10th anniversary coins on their 11th year, and 20th anniversary coins on their 21st year.

I tend to believe me, and I tend to think that the government is screwed up.

Atoms cease to exist inside of a black hole.

Please elaborate. (Extra points given if you can explain how we know this.)

renman95

<< <i><<Whatever you call the first decade of a century ("the ohs", maybe?) it would be 2000-09>>

I was expecting the naughties (from naught), but it never caught on. >>



//

I think I have the perfect name for the 2000's..The Bubble Decade! And since we have one more year left in the decade it should go out with a bang with the burst of the treasury bubble.

ed4tb

MajorDuty

The new decade starts 2011 I will always believe this and I've heard all the arguments.

A single year has not been completed until all 12 months have passed therefor year 1 has been completed at the end of the 12th month - "one". At the end of the 2nd year you have completed two years.

Count on your fingers with me: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, TEN. At the completion of that 10th year you have completed one decade. The new decade starts on 11 or in our time 2011.

I can't believe it is even an argument.

Baley

Atoms cease to exist inside of a black hole

Time, space, matter, and energy (that we know as the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism) all collapse into the singularity that defines a black hole. Within a black hole, there is just... black hole stuff. kinda boring.

the interesting action occurs at the event horizon