why can morgans be found in pl or dmpl and peace dollars dont?-peace dollar experts please help-new
joebb21
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and not just peace dollars... basically all other coins!
may the fonz be with you...always...
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<< <i>Morgan dollar dies had a consistent radius of curvature that allowed minor defects, such as clashing, to be repaired by gently polishing the field. Peace dollars had an irregular radius that made this type of repair impractical. Repairs were made locally on the die. There are a very few semi proof-like Peace dollars, and others with isolated polished areas. >>
And I was about to say, this is a question Roger can answer.
Lance.
I saw a PL designated example of this date in hand it was in a ANACS white chase which had an ask of $3,500.00.
It just had some PL areas due to die polish and was nothing special.
<< <i>and not just peace dollars... basically all other coins! >>
Starting with the Lincoln Cent, Buffalo nickel, 1916 dime, quarter and half, Peace dollar, Indian $2.50 and $5, and Saint-Gaudens $10 and $20 coins, the dies were
mechanical reproductions of a plaster or clay model. Earlier coin dies were made with lettering and devices punched in or engraved actual size of the finished coin, and there was considerable hand finishing to the dies, such as basining to provide a convex surface to the finished coin. This produced a number of prooflike and semi prooflike coins, particularly on Morgan dollars, where San Francisco mint workers especially in the 1879-1882 years put a highly polished finish on many Morgan dollar dies.
With the changeover in die production methods, the Mint found that brilliant proofs could no longer be produced as in the past, and experimented with so-called matte or sandblast
proofs, which collectors disliked because they were not flashy and looked too much like production strikes. Not until 1936, after about a 20 year gap, did the Mint again offer proofs, which
by then methods had been developed to strike brilliant proofs from the new style dies.
by then methods had been developed to strike brilliant proofs from the new style dies.>>
The initial 1936 proofs were not so brillant and then they improved.
In 1937 came the much hand retouched new reverse die for the proof quarter.
in fact that coin you posted has the same pl spots as my 1923-d peace dollar (ngc ms66)
it was very strange when I first saw the reflection there as I had never come across such a peace dollar, but I knew that what I was seeing was ORIGINAL proof like fields!
thank you for confiming my belief.
Notice right by the mouth the "slash look" that really is a prooflike reflection point, (as well as under the chin) and for fun- check out the die cracks/breaks all around the coin.
tremendous luster and a beautiful coin
You might have discovered a new die variety since there are now two of these. Based on the die crack on your coin and the slight differences in shape of the polished areas, I suspect yours is a later die state and also that the die was locally polished more than once. (Could also be two different dies, with similar polishing to remove clash marks.)
<< <i>Morgan dollar dies had a consistent radius of curvature that allowed minor defects, such as clashing, to be repaired by gently polishing the field. Peace dollars had an irregular radius that made this type of repair impractical. Repairs were made locally on the die. There are a very few semi proof-like Peace dollars, and others with isolated polished areas. >>
These seems to make the most sense. The dies simply never went through phases of complete polishing. Also, the curavture of the Peace Dollar fields might result in a high rate of wear on the high points of the die if a worker was to polish them. Just a thought.
There are a handful of certified PL Peace Dollars, but I'm not aware of any DMPLs.