Old morgan CC roll on ebay, comments?

Bustdollar59 · December 19, 2009 12:00AM

Anyone see this auction? Are these real 100+ year old unopened rolls? There is another auction on ebay from another sell with a 20 coin roll. Would this be worth the risk?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320464096856&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

DUIGUY · December 19, 2009 12:10AM

link

RWB · December 19, 2009 12:10AM

These have been offered several times on ebay in both $20 and $10 roll versions. Do a google search on the bank name.

kaz · December 19, 2009 12:11AM

Linkything

It strikes me as odd that the end coins are so sparklingly pristine white. NO toning at all?

Duiguy beat me to the link!

coinkid855 · December 19, 2009 12:17AM

Cool! It'll be interesting t see where this one goes...

-Paul

devious · December 19, 2009 12:22AM

The last buyer [per the feedback] seemed gave the seller positive on a $10 roll. Pretty cool.

boucharda · December 19, 2009 2:09AM

<< Linkything

It strikes me as odd that the end coins are so sparklingly pristine white. NO toning at all?

Duiguy beat me to the link! >>

Those end coins ARE nice and shiny...the roll paper is pretty aged..Strange combo

The end CC's might be bookends for 81s's in the middle

sinin1 · December 19, 2009 6:01AM

They did not have rolls like that 100 years ago

I haven't bothered to check out when that bank was/is active

$2500 for the closed half roll seemed plenty

how many cc's will be inside?

over my risk tolerence

lava · December 19, 2009 6:25AM

<< 

<< Linkything

It strikes me as odd that the end coins are so sparklingly pristine white. NO toning at all?

Duiguy beat me to the link! >>

Those end coins ARE nice and shiny...the roll paper is pretty aged..Strange combo

The end CC's might be bookends for 81s's in the middle >>

I hate the roll paper. No way should it look like that. I think it was re-rolled to look like something old. Greed kills.

dcarr · December 19, 2009 6:25AM

One of the end coins is an 1878-CC VAM-9 (not a rare VAM, but slightly better date).

DoubleEagle59 · December 19, 2009 6:43AM

also strikes me odd that both end roll coins have the reverse 'cc' shown, implying a rare cc date and all coins are cc mintmarked.

I'm staying away from this one for sure.

Halfhunter06 · December 19, 2009 7:08AM

look closely at the mint marks! the first appears to be an 1878 with the small and wide CC, the other side is clearly different, larger and close together, thats a bit fishy.

MICHAELDIXON · December 19, 2009 7:11AM

In a recently opened roll, there were several CC coins as well as many that show proof-like (PL)

This sentence lets you know the entire roll is not CC coins.

7Jaguars · December 19, 2009 7:16AM

Whoever buys this, if they are on the forum, should give us a census or pics to see what was in there. So so suspicious I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Any kind of crap in the middle, no doubt!

anablep · December 19, 2009 7:35AM

One is surely a 78-CC, but I wouldn't go near this auction.

tightbudget · December 19, 2009 7:43AM

Bright white coins in a supposedly 100+ year old wrapper? You're lucky if these are simply repackaged ex-GSA dollars. As others have said, they might not even be all CC dollars.

boucharda · December 20, 2009 3:22AM

So if there are 10 MS62 78cc's in there.....with grading fees I think you MIGHT break even (assuming it closes below $3000)

If there are two.....Good Luck

DennisH · December 20, 2009 3:26AM

My cynical distrust of roll auctions and intentionally non-specific seller descriptions tells me there will be two CCs in there, and the rest will be circ. coins worth melt value.

boucharda · December 20, 2009 3:55AM

<< My cynical distrust of roll auctions and intentionally non-specific seller descriptions tells me there will be two CCs in there, and the rest will be circ. coins worth melt value. >>

That would be a MAJOR OUCH! To be honest...I never thought of circ. coins being in there...Duh!

BigRick · December 20, 2009 4:05AM

"...In a recently opened roll, there were several CC coins as well as many that show proof-like (PL)..."

" "This sentence lets you know the entire roll is not CC coins." "

Technically it's even more slippier - it only allows the possibility that not all were CC.

soty27 · December 20, 2009 4:07AM

This is just funny,

1. The coins are blast white, there would be toning if it were a real paper roll. Even if the coins were in that roll for a couple months there would be some toning.Obviously not a real roll.
2. If you look at the images close up you can see where they seller actually scratched the coins in an attempt at crimping the roll.
3. There is even some dip residue on one of the coins as well, clearly not an original roll.

Did anyone here actually think was was an original roll?

WinPitcher · December 20, 2009 4:58AM

To the OP do you really think someone would sell such a roll on ebay if it was

legit?

Of course not, he/she would put it up for auction using a auction house.

That 'item' is a bummer waiting to happen, as for the positive the guy got for the 10.00 roll, how hard is it to have a friend

'win' an auction and leave glowing feedback?

And that is if the guy has brains, for all we know he is the winner of that roll.

No free lunch in this hobby.

Steve

GoldenEyeNumismatics · December 20, 2009 5:05AM

Although this auction is utter BS imo, original rolls of BU CC dollars do exist. I had the chance to handle three rolls of BU 1891-CC Dollars, opened but in the original paper, two summers ago. Rolls of BU CC dollars occasionally show up on Heritage too.

kaz · December 20, 2009 6:23AM

2 days to go, and over $2,900!

WinPitcher · December 20, 2009 6:26AM

29 feedback and he has people willing to give him thousands.

The person who 'won' the 10 roll spent 170.00 per coin.

I dunno.

Steve

stevendaniels · December 20, 2009 11:19AM

Look at their feedback of items won and you see that they are buying other "BU" rolls and taking "CC" dollars and putting them on each end and the rest are filled with 60-62 common date morgans!!!!

kaz · December 20, 2009 12:11PM

I don't believe this is going to end well.

kryptonitecomics · December 20, 2009 8:34PM

A fool and their money are soon departed.....

Steve27 · December 20, 2009 9:01PM

Now over $3K (it will be worth the wait to see the feedback on this one).

boucharda · December 20, 2009 9:05PM

I predict the feed back will be "Fast delivery....As described" and we will no NOTHING!

All the auction states is that there are 2 CC's in the roll. After that how can you neg 'em? It's the buyer that's doing all the mind games

Coin Finder · December 21, 2009 1:15AM

All of the Morgan dollars that I have owned that have "end Roll toning" are not rolled in the manner of this auction. The paper was folded over the ends and covered the coins. This roll look like it was made from a grocery sack and the ink from the bank stamp on it look to fresh in some areas then overworn in others. Like some tried to make it look worn, the paper fibers are to new looking to me.

mrpotatoheadd · December 21, 2009 1:39AM

If you google "carson city state trust bank" (with the quotes), all you get is results showing rolls of coins for sale/auction. Maybe not definitive, but with all the stuff out there on the internet, I find it suspicious that there are no links to anything else regarding the bank in question at all.

sinin1 · December 21, 2009 6:26AM

I found a State Bank and Trust of Carson City
from 1904 to 1907 ->

The Carson City Savings Bank was incorporated in 1875, when local businessmen saw a need for banking in Carson City, Nevada,
particularly after the opening of the US Mint in 1869. The bank became the Bullion and Exchange Bank in 1882. With the decline in mining
and reductions in development, the Bullion and Exchange Bank was restructured into the State Bank and Trust Company in 1903, failing by
1907. In turn, each of the three banks served the growing population of Carson City by providing banking services and dealing in mining
stock

but I still do not think paper rolls like that were around in 1907

JJM · December 21, 2009 6:32AM

it does look like a OB roll, but the coins look to white

blu62vette · December 21, 2009 6:34AM

<< I found a State Bank and Trust of Carson City
from 1904 to 1907 ->

The Carson City Savings Bank was incorporated in 1875, when local businessmen saw a need for banking in Carson City, Nevada,
particularly after the opening of the US Mint in 1869. The bank became the Bullion and Exchange Bank in 1882. With the decline in mining
and reductions in development, the Bullion and Exchange Bank was restructured into the State Bank and Trust Company in 1903, failing by
1907. In turn, each of the three banks served the growing population of Carson City by providing banking services and dealing in mining
stock

but I still do not think paper rolls like that were around in 1907 >>

lava · December 22, 2009 12:32AM

This is going to end ugly.

coolest · December 22, 2009 3:45AM

<< In a recently opened roll, there were several CC coins as well as many that show proof-like (PL)

This sentence lets you know the entire roll is not CC coins. >>

How could it be an original roll and have some coins that are not the same date and MM?

Seems odd!

UtahCoin · December 22, 2009 4:07AM

"A foole and his money be soone at debate: which after with sorow repents him too late"

coinkeep · December 22, 2009 11:17AM

ended at 6k....hope they got what they wanted

sinin1 · December 22, 2009 11:32AM

look at the sellers bidding history ->

In some cases, sclest1( 29) may no longer be the high bidder.

1 - 14 of 14 total. Click on the column headers to sort

Item Start End Price Title High Bidder Seller
180445672058 Dec-14-09 Dec-19-09 15:15:29 US $10.39 UFC TAPOUT (XBOX) * FAST SHIP Purchased on:
Dec-19-09 15:15:28
See All Buyers marsjuegosvideo
200408190414 Nov-19-09 Nov-24-09 19:06:33 US $670.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1886-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200408191694 Nov-19-09 Nov-24-09 19:03:46 US $689.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1885-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200408586276 Nov-20-09 Nov-25-09 20:09:20 US $1,063.88 ORIGINAL ROLL 1878-S MORGAN DOLLARS.. CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200409919296 Nov-23-09 Nov-24-09 19:48:40 US $720.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1889-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200409919319 Nov-23-09 Nov-24-09 19:54:16 US $595.01 ORIGINAL ROLL 1896-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU... sclest1 (*) hsturn
200410292939 Nov-24-09 Nov-27-09 19:30:43 US $1,152.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1879-S MORGAN DOLLARS CH/GEM BU PROOFLIKE sclest1 (*) hsturn
250534231403 Nov-20-09 Nov-23-09 19:08:48 US $599.95 (1880 - 1902) MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR Roll (20) CH/GEM BU Purchased on:
Nov-23-09 19:08:48
See All Buyers msiegel2009
250534235640 Nov-20-09 Nov-23-09 19:10:48 US $599.95 (1879- 1900) MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR Roll (20) CH/GEM BU Purchased on:
Nov-23-09 19:10:47
See All Buyers msiegel2009
250536177279 Nov-23-09 Nov-23-09 19:53:19 US $599.95 1889-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR Roll (20) CH/GEM BU Purchased on:
Nov-23-09 19:53:19
See All Buyers msiegel2009
360209627675 Nov-19-09 Nov-24-09 19:00:14 US $575.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1883-0 MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS ..CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
360211098110 Nov-23-09 Nov-24-09 20:06:43 US $453.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1921-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS.. CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
400087645937 Nov-24-09 Nov-27-09 18:00:57 US $757.51 ORIGINAL ROLL 1881-S MORGAN DOLLARS CH/GEM BU PROOFLIKE sclest1 (*) hsturn
400088073851 Nov-26-09 Nov-27-09 20:00:36 US $601.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1889-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn

ChrisRx · December 22, 2009 11:38AM

someone bump this when the seller gets negative feedback will ya? Thanks

Frankcoins · December 22, 2009 11:59AM

Fake bank name. No such thing in the USA as a "state trust bank." (common in Nigeria, however)

lava · December 22, 2009 3:03PM

U! G! L! Y! You ain't got no alibi. Something like that.

Connecticoin · December 23, 2009 3:16AM

<< look at the sellers bidding history ->

In some cases, sclest1( 29) may no longer be the high bidder.

1 - 14 of 14 total. Click on the column headers to sort

Item Start End Price Title High Bidder Seller
180445672058 Dec-14-09 Dec-19-09 15:15:29 US $10.39 UFC TAPOUT (XBOX) * FAST SHIP Purchased on:
Dec-19-09 15:15:28
See All Buyers marsjuegosvideo
200408190414 Nov-19-09 Nov-24-09 19:06:33 US $670.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1886-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200408191694 Nov-19-09 Nov-24-09 19:03:46 US $689.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1885-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200408586276 Nov-20-09 Nov-25-09 20:09:20 US $1,063.88 ORIGINAL ROLL 1878-S MORGAN DOLLARS.. CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200409919296 Nov-23-09 Nov-24-09 19:48:40 US $720.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1889-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
200409919319 Nov-23-09 Nov-24-09 19:54:16 US $595.01 ORIGINAL ROLL 1896-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU... sclest1 (*) hsturn
200410292939 Nov-24-09 Nov-27-09 19:30:43 US $1,152.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1879-S MORGAN DOLLARS CH/GEM BU PROOFLIKE sclest1 (*) hsturn
250534231403 Nov-20-09 Nov-23-09 19:08:48 US $599.95 (1880 - 1902) MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR Roll (20) CH/GEM BU Purchased on:
Nov-23-09 19:08:48
See All Buyers msiegel2009
250534235640 Nov-20-09 Nov-23-09 19:10:48 US $599.95 (1879- 1900) MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR Roll (20) CH/GEM BU Purchased on:
Nov-23-09 19:10:47
See All Buyers msiegel2009
250536177279 Nov-23-09 Nov-23-09 19:53:19 US $599.95 1889-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR Roll (20) CH/GEM BU Purchased on:
Nov-23-09 19:53:19
See All Buyers msiegel2009
360209627675 Nov-19-09 Nov-24-09 19:00:14 US $575.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1883-0 MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS ..CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
360211098110 Nov-23-09 Nov-24-09 20:06:43 US $453.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1921-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS.. CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn
400087645937 Nov-24-09 Nov-27-09 18:00:57 US $757.51 ORIGINAL ROLL 1881-S MORGAN DOLLARS CH/GEM BU PROOFLIKE sclest1 (*) hsturn
400088073851 Nov-26-09 Nov-27-09 20:00:36 US $601.00 ORIGINAL ROLL 1889-P MORGAN SILVER DOLLARS CH/GEM BU sclest1 (*) hsturn >>

Busted! Heh, the seller has been getting ripped off on dipped crap from "hsturn"

HardWay · January 2, 2010 9:33AM

I'm sclest1. Long story short, times are tough and I needed extra money to make ends meet. My ex-husband felt bad about not paying child support for the last year, so he offered me an opportunity to make some money (to split with him of course) by buying and selling coins and other items on eBay for a friend of his, using my eBay and PayPal accounts. I took pictures and listed the items, handled any questions from bidders, then packaged them up and shipped them to the buyers, and I also placed some bids for him, which he later paid for. I was assured that everything he gave me was legitimate and was exactly as described in the listings.

The auctions for the first two rolls went very smoothly - no question as to their authenticity, only excitement about similar rolls we'd be listing in the future. As was mentioned previously in this thread, the first roll received positive feedback. The third roll however, got a lot of attention and I received several questions and/or comments regarding authenticity. One guy was adamant that the rolls were fake and a scam and (not so kindly) directed me to this forum. Since then, I did more research and I now know more about Morgan silver dollars than I ever cared to (which still isn't very much!). And with all of my research, I haven't been able to prove or disprove that they are original bank wrapped rolls. I haven't been able to find ANY pictures of anything similar, accept by other sellers on eBay, which I believe came from the same place.

I absolutely don't want to be involved in scamming people, so before shipping the roll out, I contacted the buyer and told him about my concerns and put him in contact with the "Coin Guy". The buyer felt comfortable with his purchase and still wanted the roll, so it was shipped out. But I still don't feel comfortable, so I'm not going to list any more of these rolls unless I can be sure they're really what I've been told they are. So how can I be sure, is there somewhere I can take one to get an expert's opinion? Or should I just cut my losses and get out now??

coffeyce · January 2, 2010 12:04PM

This makes me glad i only play with the unopened roll of shield nickles for $50.00

chris

Shamika · January 3, 2010 2:02AM

<< Those end coins ARE nice and shiny...the roll paper is pretty aged..Strange combo >>

EXACTLY!!! It's these sort of mismatches that antique dealers use to authenticate originality. Untoned PL surfaces wouldn't make sense with a roll like this.

CoinRaritiesOnline · January 3, 2010 10:24PM

<< I'm sclest1. Long story short, times are tough and I needed extra money to make ends meet. My ex-husband felt bad about not paying child support for the last year, so he offered me an opportunity to make some money (to split with him of course) by buying and selling coins and other items on eBay for a friend of his, using my eBay and PayPal accounts. I took pictures and listed the items, handled any questions from bidders, then packaged them up and shipped them to the buyers, and I also placed some bids for him, which he later paid for. I was assured that everything he gave me was legitimate and was exactly as described in the listings.

The auctions for the first two rolls went very smoothly - no question as to their authenticity, only excitement about similar rolls we'd be listing in the future. As was mentioned previously in this thread, the first roll received positive feedback. The third roll however, got a lot of attention and I received several questions and/or comments regarding authenticity. One guy was adamant that the rolls were fake and a scam and (not so kindly) directed me to this forum. Since then, I did more research and I now know more about Morgan silver dollars than I ever cared to (which still isn't very much!). And with all of my research, I haven't been able to prove or disprove that they are original bank wrapped rolls. I haven't been able to find ANY pictures of anything similar, accept by other sellers on eBay, which I believe came from the same place.

I absolutely don't want to be involved in scamming people, so before shipping the roll out, I contacted the buyer and told him about my concerns and put him in contact with the "Coin Guy". The buyer felt comfortable with his purchase and still wanted the roll, so it was shipped out. But I still don't feel comfortable, so I'm not going to list any more of these rolls unless I can be sure they're really what I've been told they are. So how can I be sure, is there somewhere I can take one to get an expert's opinion? Or should I just cut my losses and get out now?? >>

Ma'am -- there is no way that those rolls could be "real". Someone with knowledge of the coin market took great pains and some amount of time to assemble them to be deceptive to eBay buyers.

Besed on this, I would say you should stop selling these items packaged in this manner.

If the coins in the interior of the rolls are genuine, you can legitimately sell them individually (or in groups of 3, or whatever), with proper images of the front & back of each coin.

Marauderrt10 · January 3, 2010 11:51PM

people are so guillible

HardWay · January 4, 2010 6:55AM

Shady people suck!!!

sinin1 · January 4, 2010 7:11AM

Hardway, are you talking about your ex-husband?

someone from your camp bought alot of Morgans and now another seller is selling similar rolls

if your ex-husband owes you a years child support, why would you buy a few thousand dollars in coins for him?

I am not trying to bash you or anyone you know, but am just curious
especially since you said you know very little about the coin market

I personally try not to put much money into any market I know little about

Old morgan CC roll on ebay, comments?

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