<< <i>I'm pretty sure the upcoming issue of JAMA features an article written by a prominent neurologist that debating SteveK invariably concludes with the same result as ramming your head against a concrete wall.. >>
and BTW...I might be hissed at that comment if I knew what JAMA was. LOL
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<< <i>I was going to write it out, but was too lazy... >>
I Googled it and I came up with pajamas...I don't particularly like anyone insulting my pajamas...especially the one with the little elephants on them.
<< I was going to write it out, but was too lazy... >>
I Googled it and I came up with pajamas...I don't particularly like anyone insulting my pajamas...especially the one with the little elephants on them.
That's funny...I always thought you wore pajams with giant eagles all over them..
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<< I was going to write it out, but was too lazy... >>
I Googled it and I came up with pajamas...I don't particularly like anyone insulting my pajamas...especially the one with the little elephants on them.
That's funny...I always thought you wore pajams with giant eagles all over them.. >>
good idea...I just now ordered some from the Eagles clothing website...some Eagles slippers as well.
<< <i>I never said you had to live in NYC I simply said you had to play there.
So, just like the free agent players that choose NY you too would. I guess you would be just another
player the Yanks 'stole'
It is obvious you don't get it and never will.
Steve >>
I mentioned the "living" in the context of your question of which team would I choose...I answered your question...what the heck more do you want Steve?
I get your point...I just think your point is extremely biased and that figures you being a New York fan - you're used to success, you expect success, and you want that at almost any cost. Unfortunately that desire of expecting success is at the expense of other teams and their fans whose teams aren't on a level playing field with the Yankees for a number of reasons.
Nothing wrong of course with signing a kid out of college or from another country, getting lucky and he becomes a big star on a ballclub - that is great...but doing all that, getting lucky with that, and then being forced to lose a player such as that to the Yankees just because of money...Steve, you just don't want to acknowledge a problem with that because it benefits you as a NY fan, except for the cost of going to the games as you mentioned before. Well in my view, all that doesn't benefit the game of MLB to many of the fans around the country who hate the Yankees for stealing their star players.
Of course you're correct in the aspect, and I agree, that it ain't gonna change anytime soon. I guess the owners must figure that fans "Hating the Yankees" must somehow make them more money in various ways...but in my view, it doesn't help the game at all, and actually hurts the game. How would you have felt if Mickey Mantle would have left the team in his heyday because the Yankees couldn't afford to sign him...I doubt if a good fan such as you would have stopped being a fan, but I wonder how many kids and adults around the country get attached to a particular star on their favorite team, and get quite hissed when that player cannot be signed...that doesn't equate very well to building fan loyalty now does it? Which is why a salary cap is needed, but again, we know it ain't gonna happen so now I'm gonna go back to the original intent of the thread.
THE METS SUCK...and I mean that in a nice way. ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .................................
New York did a lot for me. The notoriety and the financial security I have are due largely to New York. It gave me a big assist. It was not easy; it was emotionally tough."
"But it also was very exciting and very gratifying. It fulfilled my career and other needs. I had a lot of opportunities I wouldn't have had. I got a tremendous education living in the city, dealing with the people and the press. It helped me find out what kind of man I was under pressure. I probably learned and understood my breaking point."
Jackson signed with the Yankees on Nov. 29, 1976, when he was 30, saying at his press conference, "Other teams offered me more money than the Yankees…some clubs offered me several hundred thousand more, even seven figures more, but George Steinbrenner out hustled everyone else."
<< <i>New York did a lot for me. The notoriety and the financial security I have are due largely to New York. It gave me a big assist. It was not easy; it was emotionally tough."
"But it also was very exciting and very gratifying. It fulfilled my career and other needs. I had a lot of opportunities I wouldn't have had. I got a tremendous education living in the city, dealing with the people and the press. It helped me find out what kind of man I was under pressure. I probably learned and understood my breaking point."
Jackson signed with the Yankees on Nov. 29, 1976, when he was 30, saying at his press conference, "Other teams offered me more money than the Yankees…some clubs offered me several hundred thousand more, even seven figures more, but George Steinbrenner out hustled everyone else."
NY Yankees get $26M luxury tax bill By The Associated Press December 22, 2009, 4:47AM
Yankees Angels ALCSNoah K. Murray/The Star-LedgerThe Yankees' Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher react after beating the Angels.NEW YORK -- Winning came with a hefty price for the New York Yankees.
The World Series champions were hit with a luxury tax of nearly $25.69 million Monday, according to information received by clubs and obtained by The Associated Press.
New York is the only team to pay a tax for this season and has crossed the threshold in all seven years since the tax started. According to the collective bargaining agreement, the Yankees must send a check to the commissioner's office by Jan. 31.
The Yankees have been billed $174 million of the tax's $190 million total since 2003. The only other teams to pay have been Boston ($13.9 million for 2004-7), Detroit ($1.3 million for 2008) and the Los Angeles Angels ($927,059 for 2004).
At least the Yankees got value for their spending, winning the World Series for the first time since 2000 after adding high-priced free agents CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira. And the Yankees did lower their tax bill from $26.86 million last year, when their streak of consecutive playoff appearances ended at 13.
New York's payroll was $226.2 million for the purpose of the luxury tax and the Yankees pay at a 40 percent rate for the amount over $162 million. To compute the payroll, Major League Baseball uses the average annual values of contracts for players on 40-man rosters and adds benefits.
The Yankees' regular payroll — using 2009 salaries and prorated shares of signing bonuses — finished at $220 million. That was a drop of $2.5 million from 2008 but more than $77.8 million higher than any other team — a gap larger than the payrolls of the bottom 11 clubs.
The New York Mets were second at $142.2 million, followed by the equally disappointing Chicago Cubs ($141.6 million).
Boston ($140.5 million) was next, followed by Detroit ($139.4 million) and NL champion Philadelphia ($138.3 million), a big increase from the $112.7 million the Phillies spent when they won the World Series in 2008.
Only two teams outside the top 11 by payroll made the postseason: Colorado (16th at $84.5 million) and Minnesota (23rd at $73.1 million).
Florida again was last in the majors, even though the Marlins raised their payroll by $10.5 million to $37.5 million. San Diego dropped from 23rd at $71.2 million to 29th at $43.2 million.
Half the 30 teams cut payroll from 2008. In addition to the Padres, Seattle dropped from $120.5 million to $102.3 million, Toronto fell from $98.3 million to $84.1 million and Cincinnati sliced from $82.9 million to $72.7 million.
Besides the Phillies, other teams with big increases were Tampa Bay ($51.0 million to $71.2 million), San Francisco ($82.1 million to $95.2 million), Kansas City ($69.2 million to $81.9 million), the Cubs ($130.5 million to $141.6 million) and Washington ($59.7 million to $69.3 million).
Overall payroll rose 1.2 percent to $2.91 billion from $2.88 billion, down from a 6.3 percent increase the previous year.
Payroll figures are for 40-man rosters and include salaries and prorated shares of signing bonuses, earned incentive bonuses, non-cash compensation, buyouts of unexercised options and cash transactions, such as money included in trades. In some cases, parts of salaries that are deferred are discounted to reflect present-day values.
The commissioner's office computed the average salary at $2,882,336. The players' association, which uses slightly different methods of calculation, had its average at $2,996,106.
At least the Yankees intend to spend less this year, but that may change after today's deal and the fact that Damon may end up back with the Bombers (or Bay if he drops his demands). Seems that the Yankees forays this off season are preludes to going after Lee and Crawford next season (Lee replacing Pettitte and Vasquez and Crawford taking LF while Damon goes to DH with the departure of Nick Johnson). See, while they may spend a ton, they're now thinking about the future rather than just this season.
Also, did anyone see that 4 of the most profitable teams were from the 6 that receive the Luxuary Tax stipends? Pittsburgh was the #1 most profitable team based upon latest figures released. Pretty easy, I guess, when your labor and operating costs are COMPLETELY covered by the Luxuary Tax stipend and revenue sharing check and you've got an extra $9 million in the bank before ticket sales and extraneous operating income are counted.
That is interesting that Pittsburgh was the most profitable team. After finishing with almost 100 losses, if I were a Pirates fan, i'd be all over local talk radio and writing their front office bastiges to spend some of that money on some talent and make the team better. I attended and graduated from Penn State and got to know a number of people from Pittsburgh, and that "town" is for sure a football town, not too much of a baseball town...so I'm not sure but maybe that has something to do with the cheapness of the Pirates owners. Perhaps they figure spending extra money to try to get some more wins wouldn't matter much as far as fan enthusiasm and turnout compared to the outlay of money - so they'd rather keep the money in their pocket. Definitely a bad situation if you're a loyal Pirates fan hungry for a championship.
<< <i>That will be much higher now that the Phillies are spending like drunken sailors.
Steve >>
Bad analogy - that implies that the Phillies are wasting money frivolously...the Phillies as you know have had great success in recent years, more like a "sailor" with a great "investment portfolio".
Actually it was a good analogy, they spent less the year they won it all than they did last yr where they lost in the WS, this yr. they won't probably even make it. The more they spend the least they get for it. Mercanaries act that way, once a guy gets 'paid' he does not care any more, isn't that your mantra? I learned that tidbit from you. You going to be hypocritical on this point too?
<< <i>Actually it was a good analogy, they spent less the year they won it all than they did last yr where they lost in the WS, this yr. they won't probably even make it. The more they spend the least they get for it. Mercanaries act that way, once a guy gets 'paid' he does not care any more, isn't that your mantra? I learned that tidbit from you. You going to be hypocritical on this point too?
Just follow the money Steve.
edited to add:
and:
Moi >>
The Phillies could reach the point of frivolously throwing away money...in no way I'm saying or implying that couldn't possibly happen...however your analogy is bad because it isn't even debatable that it has happened yet or appears to be happening.
The Phillies won the WS two seasons ago and got to the WS this past season...that isn't frivolously throwing away money like a "drunken sailor" by any stretch of the imagination. Now your Mets...THAT would be a good analogy of "spending like drunken sailors".
If you're gonna use "drunken sailor" analogies in my thread...please do it properly. Thank you.
Just curious, what is the Mets projected lineup as of right now? pitching rotation?
I hear that they're trying to get Koosman released early from the hoosegow for good behavior so he can compete as the #4 starter...
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Mets just signed Kelvim Escobar, who has pitched 5 innings in the past 2 years, due to injury. Escobar wanted to be a set-up man so he will reduce the risk of injury. Hopefully the Mets can change his mind, since if he's healthy he can be a solid #2 starter. The Mets rotation looks like Santana,Pelfrey,Maine,Perez,and Niese.
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<< <i>I'm pretty sure the upcoming issue of JAMA features an article written by a prominent neurologist that debating SteveK invariably concludes with the same result as ramming your head against a concrete wall..
and BTW...I might be hissed at that comment if I knew what JAMA was. LOL
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<< <i>I was going to write it out, but was too lazy...
I Googled it and I came up with pajamas...I don't particularly like anyone insulting my pajamas...especially the one with the little elephants on them.
<< I was going to write it out, but was too lazy... >>
I Googled it and I came up with pajamas...I don't particularly like anyone insulting my pajamas...especially the one with the little elephants on them.
That's funny...I always thought you wore pajams with giant eagles all over them..
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<< <i>
<< I was going to write it out, but was too lazy... >>
I Googled it and I came up with pajamas...I don't particularly like anyone insulting my pajamas...especially the one with the little elephants on them.
That's funny...I always thought you wore pajams with giant eagles all over them.. >>
good idea...I just now ordered some from the Eagles clothing website...some Eagles slippers as well.
So, just like the free agent players that choose NY you too would. I guess you would be just another
player the Yanks 'stole'
It is obvious you don't get it and never will.
Steve
<< <i>I never said you had to live in NYC I simply said you had to play there.
So, just like the free agent players that choose NY you too would. I guess you would be just another
player the Yanks 'stole'
It is obvious you don't get it and never will.
Steve >>
I mentioned the "living" in the context of your question of which team would I choose...I answered your question...what the heck more do you want Steve?
I get your point...I just think your point is extremely biased and that figures you being a New York fan - you're used to success, you expect success, and you want that at almost any cost. Unfortunately that desire of expecting success is at the expense of other teams and their fans whose teams aren't on a level playing field with the Yankees for a number of reasons.
Nothing wrong of course with signing a kid out of college or from another country, getting lucky and he becomes a big star on a ballclub - that is great...but doing all that, getting lucky with that, and then being forced to lose a player such as that to the Yankees just because of money...Steve, you just don't want to acknowledge a problem with that because it benefits you as a NY fan, except for the cost of going to the games as you mentioned before. Well in my view, all that doesn't benefit the game of MLB to many of the fans around the country who hate the Yankees for stealing their star players.
Of course you're correct in the aspect, and I agree, that it ain't gonna change anytime soon. I guess the owners must figure that fans "Hating the Yankees" must somehow make them more money in various ways...but in my view, it doesn't help the game at all, and actually hurts the game. How would you have felt if Mickey Mantle would have left the team in his heyday because the Yankees couldn't afford to sign him...I doubt if a good fan such as you would have stopped being a fan, but I wonder how many kids and adults around the country get attached to a particular star on their favorite team, and get quite hissed when that player cannot be signed...that doesn't equate very well to building fan loyalty now does it? Which is why a salary cap is needed, but again, we know it ain't gonna happen so now I'm gonna go back to the original intent of the thread.
THE METS SUCK...and I mean that in a nice way. ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .................................
Reggies's reasons were $$ Don't even say it was because NY is close to where he was brought up.
Steve
"But it also was very exciting and very gratifying. It fulfilled my career and other needs. I had a lot of opportunities I wouldn't have had. I got a tremendous education living in the city, dealing with the people and the press. It helped me find out what kind of man I was under pressure. I probably learned and understood my breaking point."
Jackson signed with the Yankees on Nov. 29, 1976, when he was 30, saying at his press conference, "Other teams offered me more money than the Yankees…some clubs offered me several hundred thousand more, even seven figures more, but George Steinbrenner out hustled everyone else."
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You were saying Steve?
Steve
<< <i>New York did a lot for me. The notoriety and the financial security I have are due largely to New York. It gave me a big assist. It was not easy; it was emotionally tough."
"But it also was very exciting and very gratifying. It fulfilled my career and other needs. I had a lot of opportunities I wouldn't have had. I got a tremendous education living in the city, dealing with the people and the press. It helped me find out what kind of man I was under pressure. I probably learned and understood my breaking point."
Jackson signed with the Yankees on Nov. 29, 1976, when he was 30, saying at his press conference, "Other teams offered me more money than the Yankees…some clubs offered me several hundred thousand more, even seven figures more, but George Steinbrenner out hustled everyone else."
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You were saying Steve?
Steve >>
Whatever I said, I said...I don't stutter.
By The Associated Press
December 22, 2009, 4:47AM
Yankees Angels ALCSNoah K. Murray/The Star-LedgerThe Yankees' Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher react after beating the Angels.NEW YORK -- Winning came with a hefty price for the New York Yankees.
The World Series champions were hit with a luxury tax of nearly $25.69 million Monday, according to information received by clubs and obtained by The Associated Press.
New York is the only team to pay a tax for this season and has crossed the threshold in all seven years since the tax started. According to the collective bargaining agreement, the Yankees must send a check to the commissioner's office by Jan. 31.
The Yankees have been billed $174 million of the tax's $190 million total since 2003. The only other teams to pay have been Boston ($13.9 million for 2004-7), Detroit ($1.3 million for 2008) and the Los Angeles Angels ($927,059 for 2004).
At least the Yankees got value for their spending, winning the World Series for the first time since 2000 after adding high-priced free agents CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira. And the Yankees did lower their tax bill from $26.86 million last year, when their streak of consecutive playoff appearances ended at 13.
New York's payroll was $226.2 million for the purpose of the luxury tax and the Yankees pay at a 40 percent rate for the amount over $162 million. To compute the payroll, Major League Baseball uses the average annual values of contracts for players on 40-man rosters and adds benefits.
The Yankees' regular payroll — using 2009 salaries and prorated shares of signing bonuses — finished at $220 million. That was a drop of $2.5 million from 2008 but more than $77.8 million higher than any other team — a gap larger than the payrolls of the bottom 11 clubs.
The New York Mets were second at $142.2 million, followed by the equally disappointing Chicago Cubs ($141.6 million).
Boston ($140.5 million) was next, followed by Detroit ($139.4 million) and NL champion Philadelphia ($138.3 million), a big increase from the $112.7 million the Phillies spent when they won the World Series in 2008.
Only two teams outside the top 11 by payroll made the postseason: Colorado (16th at $84.5 million) and Minnesota (23rd at $73.1 million).
Florida again was last in the majors, even though the Marlins raised their payroll by $10.5 million to $37.5 million. San Diego dropped from 23rd at $71.2 million to 29th at $43.2 million.
Half the 30 teams cut payroll from 2008. In addition to the Padres, Seattle dropped from $120.5 million to $102.3 million, Toronto fell from $98.3 million to $84.1 million and Cincinnati sliced from $82.9 million to $72.7 million.
Besides the Phillies, other teams with big increases were Tampa Bay ($51.0 million to $71.2 million), San Francisco ($82.1 million to $95.2 million), Kansas City ($69.2 million to $81.9 million), the Cubs ($130.5 million to $141.6 million) and Washington ($59.7 million to $69.3 million).
Overall payroll rose 1.2 percent to $2.91 billion from $2.88 billion, down from a 6.3 percent increase the previous year.
Payroll figures are for 40-man rosters and include salaries and prorated shares of signing bonuses, earned incentive bonuses, non-cash compensation, buyouts of unexercised options and cash transactions, such as money included in trades. In some cases, parts of salaries that are deferred are discounted to reflect present-day values.
The commissioner's office computed the average salary at $2,882,336. The players' association, which uses slightly different methods of calculation, had its average at $2,996,106.
Steve
The Phils will actually stay near $140 mil.
Also, did anyone see that 4 of the most profitable teams were from the 6 that receive the Luxuary Tax stipends? Pittsburgh was the #1 most profitable team based upon latest figures released. Pretty easy, I guess, when your labor and operating costs are COMPLETELY covered by the Luxuary Tax stipend and revenue sharing check and you've got an extra $9 million in the bank before ticket sales and extraneous operating income are counted.
<< <i>That will be much higher now that the Phillies are spending like drunken sailors.
Steve >>
Bad analogy - that implies that the Phillies are wasting money frivolously...the Phillies as you know have had great success in recent years, more like a "sailor" with a great "investment portfolio".
they won't probably even make it. The more they spend the least they get for it. Mercanaries act that way, once a guy gets 'paid'
he does not care any more, isn't that your mantra? I learned that tidbit from you. You going to be hypocritical on this point too?
Just follow the money Steve.
edited to add:
and:
Moi
<< <i>Actually it was a good analogy, they spent less the year they won it all than they did last yr where they lost in the WS, this yr.
they won't probably even make it. The more they spend the least they get for it. Mercanaries act that way, once a guy gets 'paid'
he does not care any more, isn't that your mantra? I learned that tidbit from you. You going to be hypocritical on this point too?
Just follow the money Steve.
edited to add:
and:
Moi >>
The Phillies could reach the point of frivolously throwing away money...in no way I'm saying or implying that couldn't possibly happen...however your analogy is bad because it isn't even debatable that it has happened yet or appears to be happening.
The Phillies won the WS two seasons ago and got to the WS this past season...that isn't frivolously throwing away money like a "drunken sailor" by any stretch of the imagination. Now your Mets...THAT would be a good analogy of "spending like drunken sailors".
If you're gonna use "drunken sailor" analogies in my thread...please do it properly. Thank you.
Steve
<< <i>I did, too bad you can't understand it.
Steve >>
I was never in the Navy.
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I hear that they're trying to get Koosman released early from the hoosegow for good behavior so he can compete as the #4 starter...
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