2001 SP Authentic Tiger Woods Auto RC PSA 10 just went for $2800 on ebay
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That has to be the lowest price ever for this card in Gem Mint.
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A-Rod's cards have come back a little bit from their bottom at the start of the season, but I don't they will ever come back to even 75% of their former value.
I can see the Tiger card going to below $2000 at this current pace, especially if the PED rumors have legs.
<< <i>Before the Elin beatdown, I saw them go in the $4000's even for a 9. >>
Thanks! That's quite a drop. That much money for a modern 9 is crazy!
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I sure hope to see a little more dropoff,there's a flag I have been wanting!
J.R.
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1972 Football-9's high#'s
1965 Football-8's
1958 Topps FB-7-8
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I will likely buy something, too.
I suspect the PED stuff is at least semi-bogus. But,
it could still spook some collectors/investors.
It is prolly best to be patient and let the prices come
to us.
The divorce announcement could play in either direction.
Hopefully, sellers will panic, but it could also be seen as
a turnaround by some.
Once he gets rid of that woman, he should be rehabbed
pretty quick.
<< <i>"...I can see the Tiger card going to below $2000 at this current pace, especially if the PED rumors have legs...."
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I will likely buy something, too.
I suspect the PED stuff is at least semi-bogus. But,
it could still spook some collectors/investors.
It is prolly best to be patient and let the prices come
to us.
The divorce announcement could play in either direction.
Hopefully, sellers will panic, but it could also be seen as
a turnaround by some.
Once he gets rid of that woman, he should be rehabbed
pretty quick. >>
Storm,
Well you know better than I do,so let me know when we should buy.
I have a small ud piece with the used range ball,I have been watching the flag prices
and for the first time seem to be down,just a small%,a little more and small time
collectors like myself will be able to afford something nice!
J.R.
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1972 Football-9's high#'s
1965 Football-8's
1958 Topps FB-7-8
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Actually, all ANY of us can do is guess.
If he can spin himself as the victim, radical price
drops could be contained.
If he fails to build sympathy for his position, we
could easily see a further 50%+ price decline.
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Here is an open and honest man who made a biznez deal
with a discretely ambitious and surreptetiously covetous,
sophisticated woman.
She knew full well the circumstances of the arrangement,
based on his/her oral representations, which were made
in the presence of third-parties BUT not memorialized in
the writings for obvious reasons.
Due to her own psychological, moral and ethical state, she
made a biznez decision to renege on her contractual obligations
at a time that she deemed most financially advantageous to
herself.
Devastated at being betrayed by a trusted biznez partner, he
now wishes to perform fairly AND to protect the long term
financial interests of his children. To those ends, he must now
insist that the terms of the breached agreement be fully and
completely enforced.
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It is now being reported that to avoid CA residency requirements,
any divorce action will likely be filed in FL.
It is widely thought that any prenup is governed by CA statutes.
(A major break for TW, regardless of who files the complaint.)
CA lawyers will be admitted in FL for the purpose of disposing
of any issues related to the prenup.
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The key to price drops/hikes likely lies in which side can best pose
themselves as the TRUE victim.
It would be a mistake to believe that TW cannot turn the tide of
public opinion SIMPLY by remembering that the best defense is
a good offense.
Wouldn't mind picking up something from 2003-2005. Don't need the RC auto.
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
<< <i>Here is an open and honest man who made a biznez deal
with a discretely ambitious and surreptetiously covetous,
sophisticated woman.
She knew full well the circumstances of the arrangement,
based on his/her oral representations, which were made
in the presence of third-parties BUT not memorialized in
the writings for obvious reasons.
Due to her own psychological, moral and ethical state, she
made a biznez decision to renege on her contractual obligations
at a time that she deemed most financially advantageous to
herself.
Devastated at being betrayed by a trusted biznez partner, he
now wishes to perform fairly AND to protect the long term
financial interests of his children. To those ends, he must now
insist that the terms of the breached agreement be fully and
completely enforced. >>
Really? Does this have legs or just a theory of yours (not that a theory of yours wouldn't have any truth)...just curious if that leaked out from somewhere.
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Yes. It leaked out from underneath my chair.
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It is just an example of the kind of spin that can be
built in a divorce action.
There are seldom any "trials." Parties are often not
even properly sworn at hearings. ALL kinds of stuff
can be floated on the way to the final disposition.
Deponents can make ALL kinds of declarations about
their "recollections" of any circumstances.
The goal is always the same: Poison the judges'
view of your opponent; either appear sympathetic,
or at worst, the lesser of the evils. Make the court
wonder: "Yikes, could he be telling the truth?"
For our purposes - trying to guage the bottom of
memorabilia prices - all we really need is a "possible"
scenario that makes it appear that no matter how
bad the media is bashing TW, there is an alternate
explanation of "what happened." If such a spin were
to grab, we could likely make a safe call on a short-
term bottom.
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When spinning, you don't need everybody to buy
your view. You just need some folks to buy AND
perpetuate/publish your stated view.
Some folks' view is that TW got snaked by a greedy
plotter, who implemented her long-planned scheme
when she found a GREAT opportunity to do so. She
waited; then she struck.
She knew he was a player when she signed-up for
the gravytrain. She agreed to his terms and knew
what his conduct would entail. From day one, her
plan was in motion. Fortune smiled on her evil plot
and she made her move.
Can a guy really carry on 15+ affairs - many of which were "relationships" - for five years,
without his spouse KNOWING wasup?........ Hardly.
If he was trying to hide his conduct from his wife, why was he SO public in his "transgressions?"
BECAUSE he was NOT trying to hide; he thought he had a deal.
Did she or people under her direction furnish the original tabloid tip? She knew his schedule
and she knew what he would be doing in AU. How did she know? She agreed to it the day
she finalized her entry deal, and she acquiesced to it for FIVE YEARS.
When her plot became clear, he did/said a few things that have not accrued to his iterest. He
was in shock, desperate to save his biznez/empire/reputation. He was confused and relied
on advice that he should have rejected. Alone and afraid, he was crippled by betrayal.
HE is the REAL victim here. The gold-digger disguised as a retail-clerk/nanny is the REAL villain
and she must not be allowed to unjustly profit by her duplicitous and evil betrayal.
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Hail Mary or not. He better fight back, or he may not well survive the assault.
IMO, he is getting horrible advice by not fighting back. My only explanation is that there is more to come out. No sense crying on Oprah if more comes out in another week and he has to do it all over again. When he talks, I believe it is all out.
As for buying his stuff, I like to gamble, but not that much.
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As I noted, he has said some stuff that resulted
in some apparent admissions against interest.
There are reasonable explanations for those statements.
His lawyers, if they choose to, know how to solve the
problem.
I just want a nice flag with his auto on it.A nice price
break will suit me just fine in his tough times.We all know
Tiger will be back,anybody remember Kobe's month in the headlines?
He seems to still be doing ok,I'll take my chances when that right auto
comes around.
J.R.
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1965 Football-8's
1958 Topps FB-7-8
1) apologize to the public (and make it look sincere, even though he doesn't owe the public an apology, he owes it to someone else, America is a very forgiving society as long as one admits it and appears sorry, whether he means it or not)
2) Stop acting like a kid and stop hiding
3) Don't make it a "nasty" divorce, there is plenty of assets to go around
4) Take his self off his personally induced "indefinite" stay from golf
5) When the season rolls around, handle the "hecklers" like an adult and a professional, in other words, smile while on the course, keep the hothead caddy Mr. Williams under control, don't snap and glare at people for taking pictures, don't mouth off about his fellow tour players that are loving every minute of this, and proceed to whip their rear with his golf skills.
Once he starts winning, the endorsements will come back, the "admiration" from those that had it will come back, and the legend that is Tiger will come roaring back.
IMO, the blip in values of his memoribilia will only be temporary, I don't see it falling off the charts like the steroid guys in baseball. I personally put my money where my mouth is and I bought a $2100.00 Tiger signed GSV 1997 Masters card on the weekend after the "incident" when all the rumors were swirling. I did figure where there was smoke there was fire, although admittedly, I didn't think there was fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, and fire
If I was Tiger though, I'd have to admit that my temptation to get back at the sponsors that weren't 100% supporting me would be great. Personally, I'd switch to Powerade, Reebok, etc., you catch my drift.
Just my two hundred ten thousand pennies worth
Mike
His 14 major trophies matter little now that the light has shined on him and exposed him for the lying, cheating sorry individual that he is. But wait, we knew he hung with Barkley and Jordan. We really expected him to be different than those malcontents?
Meanwhile, the greatness of Jack Nicklaus grows. Tiger may well catch and pass Jack in majors, but he'll never come close to Jack in the class category.
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<< <i>Whatever Elin's intentions have little to do with his conduct. Golf is expected to be a game of honor, integrity, and honesty. Its participants are expected to follow those values.
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Good point here. Makes you wonder how PGA will welcome him back and under what pretenses.
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
<< <i>Whatever Elin's intentions have little to do with his conduct. Golf is expected to be a game of honor, integrity, and honesty. Its participants are expected to follow those values. Tiger held himself above all other golfers as this person beyond reproach, and cultivated the image of the President of Sports Worldwide. The reality is, he's just another serial sports philanderer who is not sorry he did it, he's sorry he got caught..........not necessarily by his wife, who may indeed have known, but by the public. And he is far more concerned about his public image than whatever his wife thinks of him.
His 14 major trophies matter little now that the light has shined on him and exposed him for the lying, cheating sorry individual that he is. But wait, we knew he hung with Barkley and Jordan. We really expected him to be different than those malcontents?
Meanwhile, the greatness of Jack Nicklaus grows. Tiger may well catch and pass Jack in majors, but he'll never come close to Jack in the class category. >>
I don't see how this scandal tarnished the game of Golf. It is an embarassment that the Tour's biggest star is in the tabloids, but how does Tiger sleeping around impact "honor, integrity, and honesty" of golf?
John Daly is still on the tour and the fans still love him.
"...Makes you wonder how PGA will welcome him back and under what pretenses..."
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STOP Wondering................
Golf doesn't need Tiger: PGA boss
December 18, 2009 - 7:44 AM
Source: ABC News
The head of the US professional golf tour has applauded Tiger Woods' decision to take a break from the game while he deals with a sex scandal, but said the sport will do "quite well" financially without him.
"We lost Tiger in 2008 for most of the year when he was out with an injury. We move forward," PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem told CNBC in his first interview since the scandal engulfing the world's number one golfer came to light.
Woods, 33, last week admitted to infidelity in his marriage to his Swedish wife Elin Nordegren, as allegations of multiple extramarital affairs rocked his life and career.
The golf icon, who is believed to be the world's wealthiest sports figure, said he would take an indefinite break from pro golf to try to save his marriage.
Finchem, who said he had not spoken to his fellow American since this month's allegations of extra-marital affairs began, said in a television interview with CNBC he did not know when Woods would return to golf.
"It could be weeks, it could be months, it could be an extended period of time," the commissioner said.
"I have not spoken to him since all this started.
"I have observed his request for privacy and all of us support his decision to step away. I think it was the right thing to do."
Finchem said he had spoken to the 14-times major winner's representatives, but did not elaborate.
Although the commissioner said that being without the world number one was "not a positive thing" he said that, in financial terms, he was more worried about the recession than the loss of his top box office draw.
"I think people recognise this is an individual's personal life. The game of golf, it was bigger than Jack Nicklaus when Jack was dominating the game, it is bigger than Tiger when Tiger is dominating the game, it will go on," Finchem said.
"Tiger is going to retire at some point, Jack retired.
"I think people will look at the number one athlete of the decade and pull for him, now really in an underdog position, to deal with these issues, to come back, to win golf tournaments and to go back to stimulating young people and fans to the sport.
"Certainly that is what I look forward to and not just because it is good business."I see a guy who is so dedicated, so focused and brings it every time he tees it up and is focused on a (charitable) foundation that has done great things for thousands and thousands of kids.
"I don't think all that gets washed away because of these personal issues. I just hope for his sake and his family's sake, a beautiful family, that things can work out for him to come back."
Finchem later said he was confident supporters of the tour would keep a sense of perspective.
"One of the reasons this stands out is because we haven't had a bunch of these kind of issues on the PGA Tour," he said.
"I think the corporate community, our volunteers, people who play the game of golf, these people have common sense, they are intelligent people and I think when they look at this they will keep it in balance.
"I'm not suggesting his popularity level is going to soar again, I don't know where that is going to be.
"But I think people are going to want him to succeed, want him to deal with his issues, want him to come back having dealt with those issues and I think you will find eventually a significant amount of support."
The commissioner was dismissive of the suggestion the scandals might have uncovered an unsavoury side to the tour.
"The notion players are out there partying is just absurd... you can't play at this level and have those kind of issues," Finchem said.
"Players take it seriously, they are focused on physical fitness.
"These are family people, they come to us already 95 per cent college educated, we just don't have any of those issues."
-Reuters
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<< <i>Just my take, Tiger Woods will never the star he was before Thanksgiving. He will come back and win tournaments again but will not be the legend he was before his cheating became public. People who are not into golf but just liked Tiger Woods will not be coming back to his side. His image has been forever tarnished and he will be a punch line for jokes for years to come. People who once wanted him to beat Jack Nicklaus record now have second thoughts. Golf unlike any other sport is a gentleman's game and he has tarnished his sport. >>
I agree. The key here is recognizing that Tiger was able to build this marketing empire precisely because he was seen as the kind of guy who DIDN'T do this kind of stuff. The fact that he could rock a three wood had nothing to do with it. Tiger wasn't just a 'great athlete', he was seen as a paradigm of discipline, control and restraint. He was a Protestant's wet dream.
Compare this to someone like Jordan, who basically built his empire on being an extremely good basketball player. Jordan could gamble, sleep around and smoke cigars, and the marketing machine continued (and continues) to grind forward. Tiger doesn't have this luxury- he wasn't selling a personality (because he doesn't have one, or at least not in his public life) or an athletic talent, he was selling an approach to life. And that, it appears, is over and done with. It's impossible to compare his marketing empire with that of any athlete that preceded him, because the premise on which it was founded was completely new. For Herr Woods, the usual rules don't apply, and that means no amount of public contrition is going to fix this broken wagon.
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That's right.
The old wagon was built and protected by the media partners of
the PGA. The process took about 25-years.
The PGA, product vendors, and the media ALL needed a more
egalitarian game to market. TW was the perfect delivery man.
But, he CAN build a new wagon IF he wins enough tournaments.
The previous pumpers will mostly be out of the pic. He will have
to do it all himself, and all of it will have to be built on wins.
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Fans like myself don't care if you have "morals." Just don't lie
and say you've got 'em when you don't.
We love winners much more than we hate sinners.
It looks like a lot of people are trying to salvage what is left of the supposed "lock of the decade".
OH the humanity!
I'll probably buy one once it falls to the $1000-$1500 range.
As long as nothing else comes out like PEDs, the good old Eldrick may redeem some of his value.
He needs to fire his IMG reps. It seems like they are trying to hold on to the clean cut image of Tiger. That Tiger is long gone, long live Bad Tiger!
<< <i>If you search ebay right now, there are at least 10 SPA Woods Auto RC in some form of Gem Mint - PSA, SGC, or BGS - with pre-Elin beatdown prices.
It looks like a lot of people are trying to salvage what is left of the supposed "lock of the decade".
OH the humanity!
I'll probably buy one once it falls to the $1000-$1500 range. >>
JMHO - I think that card will be in the $200-400 range within 5 years.
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<< <i>If you search ebay right now, there are at least 10 SPA Woods Auto RC in some form of Gem Mint - PSA, SGC, or BGS - with pre-Elin beatdown prices.
It looks like a lot of people are trying to salvage what is left of the supposed "lock of the decade".
OH the humanity!
I'll probably buy one once it falls to the $1000-$1500 range. >>
JMHO - I think that card will be in the $200-400 range within 5 years. >>
why would it be?
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Maybe my prediction of $1000-$1500 will come true.
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